What false doctrine are you referring to? Calvinism?
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Very true. I see what you are saying.
Exactly.
To me these verses say that God has chosen all of us to be His children, from the beginning, and that His desire is for us to be Holy and without blame. His desire was for us to accept Jesus as the way to be reconciled unto the Father. That is the good pleasure of His will.
Just briefly reading definitions of calvanism.......how is that a false doctrine? It basically says that we are saved by grace and not our own merrits.....am i missing something?
Well, Jesse seems to think it is. But Calvinism goes a little further than what you've described. Basically, they believe that we have no ability to choose to be saved because we are totally depraved. Since you are totally depraved from birth you're natural inclination is to hate what is good and the only way you can be saved is if God elected you before creation to be one of the saved, this is also known as the doctrine of pre-destination. I am guessing your belief is that we do have the ability to choose Jesus and we are saved by grace through him. If this is the case, you are not a Calvinist. The passage I posted, Ephesians 1:4-5, is often used by Calvinists to support their theology but there are many others that are similar that you have to compile together to fill in some of the other details of the Calvinist doctrine.
God does lots of things to reassure His people, however the devil comes in also to try to cause confusion, and uses trickery or doubt to turn one new one away. It's the fact that good people make the wrong choice to believe wrong things because they do not know any better. But that does not mean that if they continue to seek God, He can't straighten things out. Ya know the new believer is not the only one that the devil tries to trick. It seasoned believers too.
The biggest key is Faith, and constantly talking to God, trusting that He will help us see His truth
I guess it depends upon how you interpret the passage. Some of your Calvinist friends on this forum may disagree with you though.
Yes.
You don't believe we are able to make our own decisions?
You believe that we are all predestined to either heaven or hell?
This is what Calvin taught.
Then you do not believe Calvinism.
If the calvinists were totally right then that throws out jonh 3:16. Yes i believe that we are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus, and not on our own merits (eph 2:8-9)
Nope sure don't
Yes that is true, but that's not my problem. And i don't intend to argue with them either. They have a right to believe their own way. And it's not my place to change their minds, or judge them. I just quote the scripture (planting seeds) and it's up to God to do the rest. In the end i cannot stand accountable for what they believe. Each person's salvation is between them and God
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Agreed
Well, you see, that's the problem. Contradictory passages. Calvinists will find a way to explain away John 3:16 just like others will interpret Ephesians 1:4-5 in light of their previously held beliefs. That's why there are 33,000 Christian denominations.
This example above is not contradictory passages, but people who think that they have the right understanding of the Word, and making it to fit into their own molds. They twist the scripture to fit their ways of thinking, and believing.
And Jonathon is trying to bring another false gospel into the mix.
And Jonathon is trying to bring another false gospel into the mix.
Sometimes for the truth to be brought to a "ah ha" moment what a person believes has to be understood. That gives God room to move. Example...... if I believe that you are mad at me and i do not tell you i think that i think you are mad, how can i learn that you are not mad. Capeesh?
Just keep praying for God to remove all the barriers.I'm sorry Jesse, I guess your the only one that is teaching the right gospel. By the way, I guess I was right, I looked your age and your a young buck. You will mellow out in the years to come but try not to scare away too many non-believers in the mean time. I may not be a Christian, but I think it's the best religion out there and I think the more people that ask Jesus into their heart the better, so I am more of a friend than an enemy of the faith.And Jonathon is trying to bring another false gospel into the mix.
in the gospels, (something that i too struggled with for some time) one has to realize that each interpretation is different because they were talking to a different group of people, and they were different people who were talking. So what they saw might be different. Now just because they have told the story different is not saying that they don't agree.