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dirtfarmer said:
hello RevSRE, dirtfarmer here

In Matthew 10:5-7, " These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Does this apply to the Church? So yes, it is my belief that a workman should be able to rightly divide the word of truth.

If we don't "rightly divide the word of truth" and obey this command, how is it that Gentiles will be saved?
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Yes Jesus frist spoke to Israel, this is in a time of starting the NT Gospel message. BUT, soon they were sent into all the world

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

All the OT teachings "In context and meaning are for the teaching of the church just as all the NT teachings are.

Please try a sreious reading of a teaching of Dr Harry Ironside, Ultra-Dispensationalism goes way to far and is seriously WRONG!
http://www.biblelineministries.org/onlinebooks/wrongly-dividing-the-word-of-truth/
 
RevSRE said:
Yes Jesus frist spoke to Israel, this is in a time of starting the NT Gospel message. BUT, soon they were sent into all the world

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

All the OT teachings "In context and meaning are for the teaching of the church just as all the NT teachings are.

Please try a sreious reading of a teaching of Dr Harry Ironside, Ultra-Dispensationalism goes way to far and is seriously WRONG!
http://www.biblelineministries.org/onlinebooks/wrongly-dividing-the-word-of-truth/
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hello RevSRE, dirtfarmer here

Here is what I believe about Matthew 28:18-20.
1. Verse 16 states " Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them."
2. Verse 17 states when they saw him, they worshipped him:"
3. Verse 18 " And Jesus came and spake unto them saying".

Verses 18-20 is what he said unto them( the eleven disciples), not to the Church.
In verse 19 he stated " teach all nations," This is not individuals, but nations. We, the church, are to witness to individuals about our savior who died, was buried, and was resurrected, and now is making intercession in heaven.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello RevSRE, dirtfarmer here

Here is what I believe about Matthew 28:18-20.
1. Verse 16 states " Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them."
2. Verse 17 states when they saw him, they worshipped him:"
3. Verse 18 " And Jesus came and spake unto them saying".

Verses 18-20 is what he said unto them( the eleven disciples), not to the Church.
In verse 19 he stated " teach all nations," This is not individuals, but nations. We, the church, are to witness to individuals about our savior who died, was buried, and was resurrected, and now is making intercession in heaven.
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I have no further comment, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE EVIL YOU ARE TEACHING.
Please try a sreious reading of a teaching of Dr Harry Ironside, Ultra-Dispensationalism goes way to far and is seriously WRONG!
http://www.biblelineministries.org/onlinebooks/wrongly-dividing-the-word-of-truth/
 
K2CHRIST said:
Is the family of the King part of the kingdom and subject to the King?

The answer of course is yes. The question: "Am I a subject of his kingdom is a really bad question! Because the kingdom, all those in the kingdom, are subject to the king. It is never a question of being a subject of the kingdom but rather the King. However that said, are there not positions of authority given out by the Kin? Of course there are.

If a young prince is but under an instructor by the King for a purpose, is not that young prince subject to the authority of the instructor for the purpose of assigned by the King? OH Yes, and if the instructor assigned by the King brings an issued of discipline to the attention will not the loving father, who is King, take appropriate action and discipline the young prince. It is written that a father who loves his son will discipline him. And that 'spare the rod' can be related to the Bible.

So if a person knows the King, and indeed if a person is an heir, how much more should they be aware of the kingdom and how authority is issued in it. And even Jesus when talking to Pilot explain to Pilot that he would have no authority of Him, (the King) had not His Father in heaven given it to him. So Jesus was fully aware of the kingdom (of which He was the King) and how authority was handed down from heaven. He knew that all authority (good or evil) came down from God, and He was also aware that He Himself was the King of a kingdom that was not of this world. BUt we do not understand. And isn't that because we do not listen with our spiritual ears. We tend to be rebellious children who have eyes but do not see, and have ears but do not hear. We fulfill what Isaiah wrote:

Is 1:2... Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; for the Lord speaks, "Sons I have reared and brought up, but they have revolted against Me. An Ox knows its owner, and a donkey its master's manger, But Israel does not know, My people do not understand."... They have despised the Holy One of Israel, They have turned away from Him.

Yeah, we are grafted into the Jewish root, but as people we have acted just like those people that have gone before us. We don't listen and seek the Lord, who is Lord of lords and King of kings. So we don't understand how things work. All authority comes down from above and we, even as children of the most high, are subject to those place in authority above us. However, as children of the Most High, we can talk to Him about it. If an instructor has abused his God given authority, what will God do to him, and especially if that abuse is against his son?

I would not want to have been Pilot. And I would not want to be anyone in authority who does not treat a son of the Lord correctly. However, a son can also expect the rod if he is the one not paying attention in a class assigned to him by the King. The Lord discipline who He loves. So my fellow Christians, we had better listen and pay attention. And if you have done that surely you will know about the kingdom that is not of this world which our King talked about.

Jn 18:36 Jesus answered, " My kingdom is not of this world, If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My Kingdom is not of this realm."

"but as it is" ??? Is it still that way??? Is it as it was when Jesus died? The Jews, though they were God's chosen people did not recognize the King. They did not know about His kingdom. They did not listen though Isaiah had told them to. They were children raised up but did not know their Lord's manger. And to me, sadly, it still seems that is true today. It too often seems that those grafted into the Jewish root, have acted just exactly like "The Jews" which were call God's chosen. Of them it was written, "But Israel does not know, My people do not understand" So today can it be said, "But Christians do not know, My people do not understand?"

But they didn't listen to Isaiah who testified "I saw the Lord sitting on a throne"(Is 6:1). And wrote "Keep on listening, but do not perceive; keep on looking, but do not understand." (Is 6:9) So it is that I have tried to explain about the Kingdom of God, but who will listen, and who will see? Who will indeed believe is the King of kings.

This morning He asked me to go on a walk with Him, He told me He was going to have me write, then talked to me about how Him being Lord of lords meant that He was not only the Lord over the heavenly but also over all, but not all listened. So whether someone was a heavenly being or a person that was given authority on earth, He was still God and King and reigned. Then He explained that if someone has a boss, does not the boss give instruction? So anyone in authority does get instructions from Him, the Lord of lords. But do they listen? If they listened they would be able to tell others what they heard. So if they can not tell others what they heard they did not listen. And if they did not listen, who should be put over them? Should he continue to deal directly with them, of should they not be taught a lesson in hope they would then want to listen to Him?

Still, since He is Lord of lords, His instructions can be handed down, and there might even be other reason for those placed above us. So while it is written, "You have put all things in subjection under His feet" ( Heb 2:8) It is also written, "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation. (Heb 1:14) So if anyone is indeed someone that will inherit salvation they surely have been ministered to my angel who were sent to them by Him all things are subject to. So how can anyone say they are going to inherit salvation and not understanding about the ministering spirits sent to them?

My friends. I went long. But there is and has been a problem, with God's people not listening. It causes people to lack understanding. They don't become aware to the King and His kingdom. They might say they are God's chosen people, but we know it was in the midst of God's chosen people that the King was crucified. And we have been grafted into the root. So should we act like they acted and be unaware of the Kingdom of God which is not of this world like they were. If the King again comes out of that heavenly Kingdom ( which is in our midst) and again comes into this physical realm, will it again be to go to the cross and forgive the unbeliever and rebellious child who will not listen, or will He come with judgment in HIs wings?

"Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; for the Lord speaks" -- Have you not heard Him. Have you know heard the conversation He has, even as Lord of lords, and King of kings. Have you not also seen Him sitting on the throne with His kingdom around Him? Do you know and understand?
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hello K2CHRIST, dirtfarmer here

When Pilate asked Jesus, "Art thou the king of the Jews?" What was the answer in verse 37? "Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king,To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my words."

Jesus testified that he was born to be the king of the Jews. But he knew that he came to bear the sin debt of the world also, but this does not make him "king to the Church".

I agree that he is King of kings and Lord of lords, but to the Church he is the bridegroom and the Church is espoused to him and will become his bride and then rule and reign with his over his kingdom.
 
RevSRE said:
I have no further comment, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE EVIL YOU ARE TEACHING.
Please try a sreious reading of a teaching of Dr Harry Ironside, Ultra-Dispensationalism goes way to far and is seriously WRONG!
http://www.biblelineministries.org/onlinebooks/wrongly-dividing-the-word-of-truth/
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hello RevSRE, dirtfarmer here

AS you wish. I have read some of Dr. Ironside, but I understand that he is a man, just as you or I, and is subject to being incorrect and mistaken. As I have stated before, I try not to base my convictions and beliefs on man's opinion or interpretation. I have found it is best to test the spirits to see if they are correct and have a basis of comparing scripture with scripture.

I do read A. W. Tozer, Ray Stedman, Alfred Edersheim, Andrew Murry, and many others to see what their understanding of scriptures are; but I don't base my beliefs nor my conviction strictly on their writtings. I certainly do not tell other that they are teaching heresy or evil.

dirtfarmer
 
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Dispensationalism is one of the many doctrines that invaded the church - that should have been stomped out long ago. But under the guise of "well, its not about salvation......" believers let it alone, in order to 'keep peace'.

This is why there really is no such thing as 'keeping the peace' when it comes to doctrine. Sure, if it is inconsequential(style of music, cultural dress wear, building style, etc) then we should keep the peace.

But when it comes to false teaching, a little leaven will ruin the rest of the lump. Why people do not understand this must be because of yet more leaven that was introduced - the loaf has expanded greatly over the last 2000 years......
 
dirtfarmer said:
dirtfarmer here

As a believer I am espoused to Jesus Christ as his bride. Am I a subject of his kingdom? no, I am an heir and joint-heir with Jesus Christ. The kingdom that God promised to the Hebrew people will be ruled by Christ and I will rule with his as his bride.
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As a child, and that is all any of us are when compared to God and His kingdom, we have direct access to our Father in heaven, and even a young prince. Yet a young prince is subject to a lot more that to just the King. When the King sends an angel to minister to you, you had better pay attention to that angel. And if you go to church, as I assume you do, you have better get respect to the Elders and Pastor of the church. And if you drive a car you had better take into account the laws of the land and respect those officers who God put in authority.

Our God puts other beings in positions of authority, and while if mistreated you can directly go to God and talk to Him about the problem, you had not think that you are not subject to those given authority by God! That is foolishness. And so it is also foolishness to be so blind as to not be aware of what is going on around you.

Luke 1:19,20 The angel said to to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to you... And behold, you shall be silent and unable to speak until the day when these things take place, because you did not believe my words...

So Zacharias, a priest, who should have know about such things failed to understand about the kingdom of God and the working there in, and it caused him some embarrassment and the inability to speak for a season.

We read about the Lord and His kingdom but if we don't hear with our spiritual ears and see with our spiritual eyes we just don't know and understand. So we make statements based on our head knowledge and not on knowing the Lord the King with a kingdom.

2 King 6:15 No when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold and army with horses and chariots... the servant said to him, "Alas, my master! What shall we do?" So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them." Then Elisha prayed, open his eyes that he may see." And the Lord opened the servant's eyes and he saw; ... the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha

When we don't see, we fear and don't understand. We are not aware of the kingdom of God and how there are more with us than against us. We don't understand how the power and authority comes down from God. Yes, we a children of the Most high, but even children are subject to those sent by the King to instruct, minister, and implement the commands of the Lord of lords, and King of kings. Don't you understand that as Lord of lords, there are those lord given instructions by the Lord of lords and we are subject to those God put in authority. And that means even if they have messed up. Unless God told you otherwise, and you can ask Him about it if you have any questions about it, still you are under the authorities the God put in place.

Jn 19:11 Jesus answered, "You would have not authority of Me, unless it had been given you from above...

So even Jesus, while being taken to the cross and the only begotten Son of God was subject to the authorities and He understood how the kingdom of God works.

Jn 18:11 So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?

Mat 26:53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of Angels.

Yes, we serve the Lord and do what He says. And Yes, as children of God we can appeal to the Father. But understanding about the kingdom of God and the authority handed down from God is important. We are to submit to those in authority, because God has placed them in such a position. We need to seek God with our spiritual eyes and ears, and listen to His teachings. If that has been done as it should be, how is it that so many people seem to still need teaching about the kingdom. How did Zacharias, a priest, wind up in such an embarrassing position? How did the servant with Elisha wind up in fear and did not know there were more with them than against them. Why did Peter take a sword and cut off an ear? WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. WE NEED TO HEAR WITH OUR SPIRITUAL EARS, AND WE NEED TO SEE WITH OUR SPIRITUAL EYES. WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND US, AND NOT JUST LEAN ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCARRED WRITINGS.

Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom..
Heb 13:2... some have entertained angels without knowing it

Our Lord is King, and He said His kingdom is not of this world. And if we know Him the King, how do we not know about HIs kingdom? Certainly we must understand, by experience and because we have been ministered to, that He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. So authority comes from God and is passed down for a purpose from the King. So would we scoff at Gabriel if he was sent by God to give us a message? Would we be saying 'I am not subject to that'?
 
Chopper said:
I'm responding to post # 1, your OP. I'm a little surprised that you would make a differential between our Master Jesus and His Name, as if they were two separate entities. Even though the Kingdom has some importance in this pre-official Kingdom age, our main focus should be obedience to what our Master Owner Jesus expects from His followers.

I believe that this Scripture is most important in this age....
1John 5:2 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

AND

1John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him."

I don't want you to think that I'm bashing your thread and it's concepts, I'm not. It's just that the Kingdom of the Christ of God, Jesus is yonder, not present, and we know so little about it. Theoretically Jesus is a King. His official duties IMO won't happen until the Kingdom presents itself in the 1,000 year reign of Jesus, and then in the New Jerusalem.

Jesus and His Name is one and the same. When I say, "In the Name of Jesus Christ" I'm really saying if Jesus were here, He would do what I'm asking for. Why? because I know from my years in the Scriptures, I know quite well what the will of the Lord is according to His Nature. Therefore I know He hears my request, and if He hears me, I know my request will be answered.

Jesus' Name represents the God Nature in Him. His Name is as good as the Person of Jesus.

Again, I'm not criticizing your thread. You have pointed out some valuable aspects of the Person of Christ and His Kingdom. I felt that something was missing. I didn't mean any disrespect, that's not how I operate.
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1 Jn 5:13 AND 14 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.

What does "you who believe in the name of the Son of God" mean? Does it mean I can Jesus and anything I want will happen? Sadly, I have seen people use His name just like that and often, very often! They have put their faith in the name without knowing Him, or what His will is. Some if not most all of them, have knowledge of the Bible and it. They have read or heard about Jesus Christ, They have heard that He went to the cross, died, and rose again. They thus have some knowledge about God but do they actually know Him, or are they like the man with seven sons who were commanding demons to leave in the name of Jesus but who didn't know Jesus.

Now I don't want to stop them from using the name of Jesus, but they need to know Him, but person behind the name!!

And Jesus has a lot of names. I think the most name for Him recorded in the bible might be "Word of God" or "word of the Lord." He is called that because He comes in the name of God and all things of the Father belong to Him, which would include the words of God.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Gen 15:1 ... the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying "...

A word does say, but a person says, so "the word of the Lord" (Word of God) was the person which came to Abram saying. And you see this a lot in the Old Testament because the Christ had not yet gone to the cross and name Jesus (God's Salvation) yet He was the One who was coming in the name of God and with the words of God, via the Spirit of God.

Mal 1:1 The oracle of the word of the Lord to Israel,,,,

Again an oracle is a saying or message and the message Malachi brought was 'of the word of the Lord' to Israel. So it could have read "The oracle of Jesus Christ to Israel", but His name is called "The Word of God".

His name, or names, do point to His nature. But knowing His nature or about His nature is a lot different that actually knowing Him. Paul
touch in this in Romans 10:2 For I testify about them they have a zeal for God but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own...

The Jews had read and studied about God, but they did not know Him. And that tends to happen today also. We read and study about Him, but don't take time to set at HIs feet and just listen to Him. That is how you really get to know somebody's nature. I didn't really know God has a great since of humor until I started listening to Him a lot. When I found out that He like to joke around a little I asked HIm how come that isn't mentioned in the Bible. He told me that Isaac was the promised son to Abram. Isaac means laughter. You don't really see that about God until you really get to know God's Son, promised to us.

The Holy Spirit once put it this way to me: "It's not knowing all about Jesus, it's about knowing Jesus."

My friends: It's not knowing the name Jesus Christ, it's about knowing the person Jesus Christ. That is how you will know His nature, and that is how you come to really know His will!!
 
K2CHRIST said:
As a child, and that is all any of us are when compared to God and His kingdom, we have direct access to our Father in heaven, and even a young prince. Yet a young prince is subject to a lot more that to just the King. When the King sends an angel to minister to you, you had better pay attention to that angel. And if you go to church, as I assume you do, you have better get respect to the Elders and Pastor of the church. And if you drive a car you had better take into account the laws of the land and respect those officers who God put in authority.

Our God puts other beings in positions of authority, and while if mistreated you can directly go to God and talk to Him about the problem, you had not think that you are not subject to those given authority by God! That is foolishness. And so it is also foolishness to be so blind as to not be aware of what is going on around you.

Luke 1:19,20 The angel said to to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to you... And behold, you shall be silent and unable to speak until the day when these things take place, because you did not believe my words...

So Zacharias, a priest, who should have know about such things failed to understand about the kingdom of God and the working there in, and it caused him some embarrassment and the inability to speak for a season.

We read about the Lord and His kingdom but if we don't hear with our spiritual ears and see with our spiritual eyes we just don't know and understand. So we make statements based on our head knowledge and not on knowing the Lord the King with a kingdom.

2 King 6:15 No when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold and army with horses and chariots... the servant said to him, "Alas, my master! What shall we do?" So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them." Then Elisha prayed, open his eyes that he may see." And the Lord opened the servant's eyes and he saw; ... the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha

When we don't see, we fear and don't understand. We are not aware of the kingdom of God and how there are more with us than against us. We don't understand how the power and authority comes down from God. Yes, we a children of the Most high, but even children are subject to those sent by the King to instruct, minister, and implement the commands of the Lord of lords, and King of kings. Don't you understand that as Lord of lords, there are those lord given instructions by the Lord of lords and we are subject to those God put in authority. And that means even if they have messed up. Unless God told you otherwise, and you can ask Him about it if you have any questions about it, still you are under the authorities the God put in place.

Jn 19:11 Jesus answered, "You would have not authority of Me, unless it had been given you from above...

So even Jesus, while being taken to the cross and the only begotten Son of God was subject to the authorities and He understood how the kingdom of God works.

Jn 18:11 So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?

Mat 26:53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of Angels.

Yes, we serve the Lord and do what He says. And Yes, as children of God we can appeal to the Father. But understanding about the kingdom of God and the authority handed down from God is important. We are to submit to those in authority, because God has placed them in such a position. We need to seek God with our spiritual eyes and ears, and listen to His teachings. If that has been done as it should be, how is it that so many people seem to still need teaching about the kingdom. How did Zacharias, a priest, wind up in such an embarrassing position? How did the servant with Elisha wind up in fear and did not know there were more with them than against them. Why did Peter take a sword and cut off an ear? WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. WE NEED TO HEAR WITH OUR SPIRITUAL EARS, AND WE NEED TO SEE WITH OUR SPIRITUAL EYES. WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND US, AND NOT JUST LEAN ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCARRED WRITINGS.

Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom..
Heb 13:2... some have entertained angels without knowing it

Our Lord is King, and He said His kingdom is not of this world. And if we know Him the King, how do we not know about HIs kingdom? Certainly we must understand, by experience and because we have been ministered to, that He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. So authority comes from God and is passed down for a purpose from the King. So would we scoff at Gabriel if he was sent by God to give us a message? Would we be saying 'I am not subject to that'?
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hello K2CHRIST, dirtfarmer here

Jesus Christ in his incarnation(becoming flesh) he has 3 offices to fulfill.
1. prophet. He reveals God's love for mankind.
2. priest. He is in heaven making intercession for us now.
3. king. He will rule over the earthly kingdom that God promised to the Hebrew people and we are to be heirs and joint-heirs with him which means that we will rule with him over his kingdom.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello K2CHRIST, dirtfarmer here

Jesus Christ in his incarnation(becoming flesh) he has 3 offices to fulfill.
1. prophet. He reveals God's love for mankind.
2. priest. He is in heaven making intercession for us now.
3. king. He will rule over the earthly kingdom that God promised to the Hebrew people and we are to be heirs and joint-heirs with him which means that we will rule with him over his kingdom.
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A KING WITHOUT A KINGDOM???

At this time of year with are reminded of the cross on which Jesus was crucified. Beside's Jesus on that cross hung a sign that read "KING OF THE JEWS". It had been placed there by order of Pilot, to whom Jesus had told that He was a King, but His kingdom was not of this world, and if it was they would be there fighting for Him. So He at that time was a King and of the kingdom of God. It is part of the cross. They had not only hung Jesus the Christ on the cross but also the idea that He was at that time a King!!

How are we any different when we too say that Jesus is not a King with a kingdom at this time???

Being King is not a position that He is going "to fulfill"!!

Neither is that the case with Him being a prophet or a priest! So how do you write "to fulfill"???

The Jews did not know their King. So they did not know about His kingdom which was not of this world. And as a result they cried out against Him. And He, along with the idea that He was King of the Jews, were hung on a some wood in hopes that it would do away with Him and the idea that He was King, . That was the ultimate act of rebellion. And we do the same. We have a Bible made of wood processed as paper, And we put Him, the King who does have a kingdom right now and the idea that He has a kingdom right now, and we hang Him them on that Bible and say "to fulfill", because He is not our King now! If He was our King now we would know it and we would know about His kingdom, because it is in our midst!!

The Father has put Him over all things, but not all recognized Him as their King and Lord right now. We do know that all speaking by the Spirit of God call Him Lord and mean it. He is my Lord. He tells me instructions, along with wisdom knowledge and understanding. And He sends me ministering angels also. I hear from Him and from those in His kingdom that serve Him.

All things will come out of rebellion or be thrown into hell which will be placed in the lake of fire, and a new heaven and earth will one day exist. And rebellion will be done away with and all who remain will know Him who is King. But knowing Him the King of a kingdom that is not of this world is an option right now. So who says, "to fulfill"?

We need to stop preaching a Jesus that is a King without a kingdom. That is a lie!! We need to stop trying to hang that idea on a cross along with the living and active Word of God who is Jesus Christ. HE IS KING OF kings now!! Yet some are rebellious and don't want Him as there king. Some seem to say He is Lord, but a closer look shows that they are saying He is not their Lord. They don't know Him as King. One day they will either change their mind of find out what is truly means to be through into hell and be done away with.
 
Jesus tended to talk a lot about the kingdom of God. Finding it was like finding a great treasure. So I find it very sad that so many Christain do not seem to have found it.

Yesterday I was driving down the road. I had been thinking about my son's soccer team, and was planning on going to one of two stores. I wasn't sure which store so I put out the question, "Which store should I go to?"

To which I pick up a response with my spiritual ears, "Go to the farther one. It has a better selection."

I could tell the response was not the voice of the Lord. It's like picking up the phone. You hear a voice and can usually tell who is on the other end by the personality of the voice that comes through. So I check the spirit which confirmed the Jesus Christ was his lord that the He followed and serve Jesus Christ.

Ok, so I asked him if he would like to talk. He seemed a bit surprised by the question because he responded, "The Lord told me that I was just going to watch over you."

I reminded him that it was written "Are they not all ministering spirits". To which he instantly confirm with, "That's true". And He add that he would love to talk to me but had just been surprised by the request. He wanted to know if I wanted to talk about my son's soccer team. He obviously had known what had been on my mind. But It told him that I didn't want to talk about that. "Then what?" he asked.

I was sure but I asked him to give me a moment, and I decided to ask him, "What do people most often miss about the kingdom of God?"

He must have loved the question because it really seem to light him up. He was saying "Oh, that the kingdom of God is in their midst. They miss that all the time. It is such an important message. Almost the most important message in the Bible. It's not as important as salvation, but almost."

He continued, "I mean if a person is stuck in a prison, the first thing they must do is find a way out. And especially if that person is on a death sentence. So the most important thing is that they appeal their case to the judge, but the judge had already made a decision. So the other option is to appeal to the ruler for a pardon. That is what salvation is like. You appeal to the King for a pardon and for forgiveness. Then you will be let out of the prison. But then where to you go when you get out? Is it not into the kingdom? So don't you need to know about the Kingdom?"

Now I gave this little accounting from yesterday so that some might know what it is like to be ministered to by an angel that serves the Lord. Of course that is just one little example and on one little subject. Still, that was an angel and not the Lord.

This morning I was walking with my Lord and He started telling me, "Karl, remember how the angel told you that the salvation message was more important than the Kingdom message. Well I want to change that slightly. I want to tell you that they are the same message. Salvation means the Kingdom, so I came preaching the Kingdom."

The Lord went on to explain that the angel, not wishing to glorify himself and wishing to glorify the Son of man presented it as two different messages, but it is one gospel message.

I understand that not all Christians are hearing things like the above. I understand that not everyone walk with the Lord is the same. Never-the-less, Jesus came preaching a Kingdom, and He is the King, and He is the King now. So as Christians we should know the person Jesus Christ and we should know Him as the King who has a kingdom!
 
The Jews could not have possibly accepted Jesus as their Messiah. It was God's plan that Jesus would die (John 6:38, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.") for the sins of the world. John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. John 12:27, "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

God's plan was for Jesus to die. He was sent for this purpose. And God's plans cannot be stopped: Job 42:2 "I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. The people did try to make Jesus king and he walked away from that: John 6:15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.

Jesus is King right now! He reigns in the hearts of those who love Him! His Kingdom is not of this world. He did not come to be a physical king but our Spiritual King.

Jesus is King. He is King and Priest after the order of Melchizedek
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+6:20-7:28&version=NIV

Much more I can say but this will do for now.
 
dirtfarmer here

Jesus is priest now.

Romans 8:34, " Who is he that condemneth? It is Jesus that died, yea rather, that is risen again, Who is even at the right hand of God, who maketh intercession for us". Does a king make intercession and to whom would he make intercession. Jesus is now in his priestly role. That is why he is interceding on our behalf. When the earthly kingdom is established Jesus Christ will fill the office of King and we, the bride of Christ, will be in the position to rein with him as his bride as co-heirs.
 
He is also God, He is King... He not only is a priest He is The High Priest... the All Mighty, The Alpha and Omega, The Bread of life, The Lamb of God ..
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Saviour , Creator,
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
hello reba, dirtfarmer here
To whom is King Jesus making intercession to for us? Jesus is our "High" priest that makes intercession for us to the Father. Is Jesus King of the his own body, of which we are placed in the body as God pleases: 1 Corinthians 12: 18, " But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him."
 
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