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Papa Zoom said:
Yes well I know that. I just don't think we know what we think we know.
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perhaps, but i do know there are a lot of people who believe what the bible says when it fit's their purpose then disbelieve the bible when it also fits their purpose.
For example....we all know that a dead guy stays dead on day 3. Science tells us that. But we believe Jesus rose from the dead...despite what science says...yet some bible believers deny the world wide flood....and it's ability to create the fossils we dig up.
 
Cygnus said:
perhaps, but i do know there are a lot of people who believe what the bible says when it fit's their purpose then disbelieve the bible when it also fits their purpose.
For example....we all know that a dead guy stays dead on day 3. Science tells us that. But we believe Jesus rose from the dead...despite what science says...yet some bible believers deny the world wide flood....and it's ability to create the fossils we dig up.
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Cygnus said:
perhaps, but i do know there are a lot of people who believe what the bible says when it fit's their purpose then disbelieve the bible when it also fits their purpose.
For example....we all know that a dead guy stays dead on day 3. Science tells us that. But we believe Jesus rose from the dead...despite what science says...yet some bible believers deny the world wide flood....and it's ability to create the fossils we dig up.
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People hold to different views. My view is a local flood, not one that covered the entire world. But I could be wrong, that I know. I can be convinced otherwise. I don't spend much time thinking about it so my views haven't changed much over many years. I suppose if I looked into it deeper I'd alter some of my views as my understandings expanded.
 
Papa Zoom said:
People hold to different views. My view is a local flood, not one that covered the entire world. But I could be wrong, that I know. I can be convinced otherwise. I don't spend much time thinking about it so my views haven't changed much over many years. I suppose if I looked into it deeper I'd alter some of my views as my understandings expanded.
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Hello calvin here,
I think that if there were no pot holes like the Mariana trench and pimples like mount Everest, there would be more than enough water to cover the entire planet. Of course I wasn't there to check it out myself, so I can only believe Gen 7:19:)
 
Papa Zoom said:
People hold to different views. My view is a local flood, not one that covered the entire world. But I could be wrong, that I know. I can be convinced otherwise. I don't spend much time thinking about it so my views haven't changed much over many years. I suppose if I looked into it deeper I'd alter some of my views as my understandings expanded.
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You should look deeper. The bible says the water covered the hills/mountains by 22.5 feet. Do that to any area and you get much more than alocal flood.

I know you haven't looked much at this...but it's something to consider.
 
calvin said:
Hello calvin here,
I think that if there were no pot holes like the Mariana trench and pimples like mount Everest, there would be more than enough water to cover the entire planet. Of course I wasn't there to check it out myself, so I can only believe Gen 7:19:)
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calvin, just of the record it's my opinion Mount Everest didn't exist pre-flood and formed in the later stages of the flood or shortly after the flood when the continents collided.
We can get deep and talk about recumbent folds which showed rapid movement and water gaps that are only explained by a world wide flood if you so desire.
 
Cygnus said:
calvin, just of the record it's my opinion Mount Everest didn't exist pre-flood and formed in the later stages of the flood or shortly after the flood when the continents collided.
We can get deep and talk about recumbent folds which showed rapid movement and water gaps that are only explained by a world wide flood if you so desire.
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Hello calvin here,
No need for deeper discussions that take us further away from God's word.
I do indeed recognise the possibility that Everest did not exist pre flood.
One estimate of current atmospheric water is 3,094 cubic miles (USGS)
That is a lot of water. At the time of the flood that volume might have been quadrupled for example, and if the Earth was at that time less hilly, along with whatever water was released by subterranean vaults (fountains of the deep),there would have been enough water to dunk the whole planet.
Gen 7:20 talks about the waters covering the mountain to depth of 15 cubits and Gen 7:24 says that the waters prevailed for 150 days. This is in agreement with Gen ch 8.
I have yet to hear a convincing theory that could account for that volume of water being contained to a local area. A mighty tall Dyke built as a cylinder might contain the waters to a localized area, but that idea and any like it are simply too ridiculous for words.
Let us just believe God's word and let Him worry about the details.
 
Cygnus said:
Here's the bottom line...if the earth is as old as you claim your great scholars believe and if God used evolution as a mean of creating man...then there was no such thing as the Garden of Eden. No center of the garden. No tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Heck, no Adam and Eve. No life breathed into them, No temptation. No fall due to the act of disobedience. No animal slain to cover their nakedness, It's all made up!!! A myth or some sort of allegorical poem.

When Paul or other authors of the bible mention it..they are mistaken. That's waht your great scholars preach.

Tell me OzSpen...why do we sin? What caused it? considering you can't use the Genesis explanation because your great scholars said Genesis never happened...what do they say?
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Cygnus,

Here you have created another straw man of my beliefs:
  • Not once have I stated or inferred that God used evolution to create man. Not once. Why do you invent that about my views?
  • At no point have I suggested that there was no such thing as the Garden of Eden. That's your false claim against me.
  • No tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That's not my belief.
  • No Adam & Eve and no life breathed into them. That's another of your inventions.
  • Etc., etc.,
Please quit your false claims against me.

Oz
 
calvin said:
Hello calvin here,
No need for deeper discussions that take us further away from God's word.
I do indeed recognise the possibility that Everest did not exist pre flood.
One estimate of current atmospheric water is 3,094 cubic miles (USGS)
That is a lot of water. At the time of the flood that volume might have been quadrupled for example, and if the Earth was at that time less hilly, along with whatever water was released by subterranean vaults (fountains of the deep),there would have been enough water to dunk the whole planet.
Gen 7:20 talks about the waters covering the mountain to depth of 15 cubits and Gen 7:24 says that the waters prevailed for 150 days. This is in agreement with Gen ch 8.
I have yet to hear a convincing theory that could account for that volume of water being contained to a local area. A mighty tall Dyke built as a cylinder might contain the waters to a localized area, but that idea and any like it are simply too ridiculous for words.
Let us just believe God's word and let Him worry about the details.
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If you could flatten the earth into a smooth ball...the water would be 2.6 km deep.
 
OzSpen said:
Cygnus,

Here you have created another straw man of my beliefs:
  • Not once have I stated or inferred that God used evolution to create man. Not once. Why do you invent that about my views?
  • At no point have I suggested that there was no such thing as the Garden of Eden. That's your false claim against me.
  • No tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That's not my belief.
  • No Adam & Eve and no life breathed into them. That's another of your inventions.
  • Etc., etc.,
Please quit your false claims against me.

Oz
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Good. Then I assume you take Genesis as literal and historical.
 
Cygnus said:
Good. Then I assume you take Genesis as literal and historical.
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Why don't you address the fact that you made a false claim against me and I drew that to your attention?

Do you believe Gen 2:9 (NIV) should be interpreted literally? 'The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'

Oz
 
Hello calvin here,
As for myself, I take Gen 2:9 along with Gen 3:22-24 as being both literal and a logical outcome to the rebellion of Eve and Adam.
I see in Rev 2:7 a reference to paradise (Eden) restored.
 
calvin said:
Hello calvin here,
As for myself, I take Gen 2:9 along with Gen 3:22-24 as being both literal and a logical outcome to the rebellion of Eve and Adam.
I see in Rev 2:7 a reference to paradise (Eden) restored.
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calvin,

Thank you for your response, but it was to Cygnus that I responded.

You say that you believe Gen 2:9 is literal. Please define literal so I understand what you mean by literal interpretation.

Please tell me what the literal 'tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' look like. Would I be able to hug those trees?

Oz
 
Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

I wonder if the face of the deep looks like Jesus?
 
OzSpen said:
calvin,

Thank you for your response, but it was to Cygnus that I responded.

You say that you believe Gen 2:9 is literal. Please define literal so I understand what you mean by literal interpretation.

Please tell me what the literal 'tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' look like. Would I be able to hug those trees?

Oz
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Please observe that I in no way offended against rule 9.

"Please tell me what the literal 'tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' look like. Would I be able to hug those trees?"
How long are your arms?
As for hugging the tree of life, I will not enter into judging your salvation status;
that would be a matter between you and Jesus don't you think?

Ohh yes, "literal" If Jesus or the Holy Spirit or God the Father said it then it is true and I believe it. You don't?? do you doubt God's word??
 
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