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Are guns now part of our worship at church?
- Thread starter Rollo Tamasi
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King Dan of Great the 1st
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Maybe I was thinking a cross between Arctic and Antarctica or something. Who knows, lol. Arctic, Atlanta, Antarctica.
Northman
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To make your case to the brethren you have to state your calling and what it entails. You can't expect believers to just say "OK" because a nation makes a law. The ones we live in break God's laws every single day. Why would a person who is saved want to throw their lot in with them? They are nothing but wrong most all the time. If you can get to the heart of these sorts of things you might see some eyes opened and at least some might understand what you are saying. If you just talk about what the law says it will continue to go nowhere.
King Dan of Great the 1st
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Alaska. Thats what is was. Lol.
jasonc
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A cop ,on or off duty can't be allowed in church whether lost or saved.per us law he must act.with lethal force of need be.a christian can't be in the military,a cop.or retire as one once saved.
Arguments
If the command to turn another cheek is literal in all cases ,then a cop places himself in danger and can't simply take a slap and not place cuffs on the subject this isn't turning the other cheek
A soldiers often acts in similiar manner now to a cop overseas.all mos are trained on quasi Leo tactics of search and seizure and cordon.all are trained on captured detainees and to handle them. Some jobs focus only those later.I have those skill sets.captured ,to patrol for known enemy and kill or arrest ,detain and hold those in a facility.
All of which requires an array of less then lethal ,lethal means to ensure compliance .
As a vet ,if you all truly believed that is all a sin.then me,thb1 Taylor ,and others who qualify as a vet with pension would have to rescind such money ,healthcare.it's blood money.
A cop who is not saved ,or saved and is called to act on put behalf to stop.a crime is asked to sin.the bible allows for temptation to set before another? If lethal force or any force to establish law and order Is a sin then logically asking for the law agent to do that is equally a sin.
I waa known as a nco who never asked his men to do what I haven't done myself.I try to extend that to the church.
jasonc
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Counter arguments
A cop may act ,while saved ,under the law given him by Romans 13 as its says these are His agents to posses a sword of wrath.I think and off duty cop,retired cop or on duty cop fits that category.
A soldier while acting under Romans 13 is also an ageNT of God to prevent evil.whether the war is just or not is another thread
A state may allow gun rights and render limits as in carry and conceal of lawful use of lethal force.these restrict where they can be carried and also the threat is defined.a ccl isn't to arrest,detain anyone outside of the scope of citizens arrest thus while acting I'm defense is a defacto agent of the state.
A cop may act ,while saved ,under the law given him by Romans 13 as its says these are His agents to posses a sword of wrath.I think and off duty cop,retired cop or on duty cop fits that category.
A soldier while acting under Romans 13 is also an ageNT of God to prevent evil.whether the war is just or not is another thread
A state may allow gun rights and render limits as in carry and conceal of lawful use of lethal force.these restrict where they can be carried and also the threat is defined.a ccl isn't to arrest,detain anyone outside of the scope of citizens arrest thus while acting I'm defense is a defacto agent of the state.
no, some job that took you away from your fishing for a while
Northman
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Don't go there. I'm more than positive you have a box full of ideas on this but I fit none, throw them out.
What does the comment of the Bible allowing for temptation of another have to do with anything? The nation does not follow the Bible. Nations are the largest entities of enablers and tempters of sin that there are. Police have chosen to obey the nation and not God, it's pretty simple. If I was a believer and a cop and was sent to arrest someone because they were a draft dodger then it would be my last day as a cop. If I got sent to arrest someone for only paying 10% of their income on taxes it would be another last day as a cop. People have to choose who they follow.
We see Paul not only tell off the police but also informs them to give the magistrate that sent them a piece of his mind. We see God allowing the execution who knows how many of a garrison charged with guarding Peter when God breaks him out of jail. These are hints.
jasonc
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Paul also used the cops of the day to save his life when he asked the boy to go tell the roman centurion of the plot to kill him
He sinned in that he asked the roman to save his life the roman legion didn't ask p politely to give up Paul .they used force ,they were known to do that.they didn't care about some Jewish settlement holding Paul ,they cared thar Paul was unlawfully held without them knowing and he was brought before a roman governor .
Look up how Rome handled towns,by force ,obey us or die.you may keep your land and king but under US!
You may not be able to but I can .I hate some laws but many a laws aren't fair. I can rattle off municode against fixing my car,it's a violation of code to fix my truck here if it takes longer then 4 hours.
I also work for a city in a capacity totally unrelated to law work. I get paid by those threats of jail or force if taxes aren't paid.anything the gov't gives Is taken by that manner. Though my job is funded by utilities as well.
Northman
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I can't get on board with that all. The "agents" or "authorities" are the governing powers, of which in our societies police officers are not.
Yes, the entire Wehrmacht was an agent of God to prevent evil...
Northman
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I'm what? I wont have my opinion on anything forced on any man by force of law.
jasonc
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By collecting a pension via the us law called fica,it's force of law.
You might not have that in that name but Canada has a program like it.
Northman
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You are one day going to have to separate real laws laid out by God from the ones made up by people.
jasonc
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I said if it's too prevent evil ,and the just war is another thread.
You may not be able to be a cop,not all can but I find it insulting of painting a broad brush .plenty of cops work around arresting on petty laws when they can.
I would.
jasonc
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That's non sequitur as the return hasn't happened.
Would you sit idly by while a man kills your wife,son or daughter?
Northman
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What makes you think I have any say of what goes on in this country? Why are you trying to put me on the side of standing against benefits for veterans, it's against a whole lot I stand for?
Northman
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I'm a father, I don't have that luxury. Why are you even asking these questions? It seems as you have an entire idea about how people think and if something is said it puts me in a whole camp of whatever the axis of your thoughts are.
Northman
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Call it insulting if you will but aren't they not doing their jobs by doing that?
King Dan of Great the 1st
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In never been to Atlanta or ever mention a Job there. I never even been USA.