jaybird
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strange that he would give the money back when that was what he loved most.
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Judas Iscariot
- Thread starter dirtfarmer
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It's strange that he committed suicide right after he killed God.
I don't understand...
Could we know if he was saved in the end?
How could we know?
What if he repented at the last moment?
I've thought of this.
Plus, the fact that he DID commit suicide shows that he was so distraught at what he had done.
Judas might have believed that Jesus wanted him to go to the Sanhedrin.
John 13:27
Does this not mean that Jesus asked him to go to the Sanhedrin?
It might have been precisely to fulfill scripture.
the whole thing is confusing and I don't believe it has ever been answered
Maybe the best answer is that we should be concerned with our own salvation and not someone dead in the past
Let me ask you, "Are you saved today"?
Judas "hung around" with Jesus?
Judas was an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, because he was first a disciple for 31/2 years.
24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” Acts 1:24-25
- to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell.
Judas continued to believe and demonstrated he believed by continuing with the Lord, when others disciples turned away from following Him.
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” John 6:60-69
JLB
Be glad to answer your "off topic" question, just as soon as you answer my question.
Do you believe Jesus empowers and sends "unbelievers" to preach the Gospel to the lost, as well as cast out devils, and heal the sick (which are signs that follow those who believe)?
JLB
He committed the betrayal against Jesus thats not love. And he was noted a thief prior to that betrayal. Thats not someone who has come with a spirit of repentance nor a sign of true salvation. He was chosen so the scripture was fulfilled.
It is noted that the some preach the gospels with false motives in the NT but because the gospel is preached and the word of the Lord went out many can still believe.
Phil 1
It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Saved?
From the One who judges
Jesus=>The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
The answer is Yes.
Dirtfarmer started this thread, I believe, to show that Judas was never saved to begin with since
dirtfarmer believe salvation cannot be lost.
If a case could be made that Judas was saved at some point and then wasn't saved at the end, it would mean that salvation COULD be lost.
Personally, I tend to go with Mathew 10 where Jesus sends out the TWELVE. They were authorized by Him and annointed by Him. He would annoint a non-believer??
Also, if we want to keep with our Christian beliefs, it is also possible that he ended up saved after all.
Regarding just thinking about our own salvation...:
Do you want this forum to close down???
Yes, I know that verse Randy.
You do know that Jesus was restricted in what He knew while here.
So His limited knowledge maybe made Him know that Judas had to betray Him,
so it would have been better if Judas had never been born because his torment would be so great -- which in fact, it was since he killed himself --- however, we cannot know for sure if Jesus knew Judas would be lost.
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Justicewolf
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The actual uncalled for, or off topic question, is yours. I think it also constitutes as blasphemy.
I accept you are without knowledge of the house of Israel and the answer to my question. Which was never in the least off topic, as you impart. Since it was a question that arrived after you posted a scripture the content of which you are unaware.
Have a wonderful blessed Thanksgiving.
The topic of this thread is Judas Iscariot.
Your presumption of what I don't know is well noted.
If you don't want to answer the question then that is your prerogative.
JLB
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Justicewolf
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And everything I've posted is on topic. That you don't defend the passage of scripture you used to address the topic of Judas Iscariot, is well noted.
The lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Are Gentiles not included among those?
That you deflect from expanding on your own post , and shared pasted scripture, and claims, is absolutely noted. As is the off topic question of Jesus empowering and sending unbelievers.
You cannot challenge any Christian here when you don't know the answer first to why Jesus was sent to earth in the first place. (That has to do with the lost sheep of the house of Israel).
Simple facts back up with scripture.
Nothing to rethink.
If you don't think Judas was a disciple of Jesus Christ, then sent as an Apostle, then please share with us the scriptures that teach us Judas Iscariot was not a disciple or an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
JLB
It's a simple question.
If you believe Judas was an unbeliever, then by default you believe Jesus empowered an unbeliever, and sent him as an Apostle to preach the gospel to the lost, and cast out devils, and heal the sick.
Please explain how an unbeliever is going to convince lost people to believe and be saved?
JLB
Limited knowledge doesn't mean diminished judgment for the one who would betray the Son of Man. With light comes accountability and Judas certainly saw the light more than most ever could in this world yet He still choose to betray the Son of Man. I never think in terms of a Jesus who was shooting in the dark with all He stated and taught. He stated "I tell you the truth..." Truth He learned from the Father who was in Him.
Jesus knew He had to suffer and was to be betrayed and the woe upon the one who betrayed Him
I feel Judas is now among those who suffer from Jesus's words.
"It would have be better had he not been born."
Strange that he was ashamed for his evil act? Not really. The handsome price in which he priced Jesus the Son of God.
Yes. Better not to have been born.