Bible Study mark of beast or anithcrist 666 what do you think

kiwidan
Having no idea of where you are getting such teaching please read the whole account of scripture of which this is a small portion .

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

Nathan said:

The law has "helped" mankind in exactly the way it was intended. It shows the righteousness, holiness, and justness of God. And on the flip side it shows man's total depravity.

Without the law it would be conceivable of man to think he could be good enough for God. With it, we know we are not. Therefore, without the law mankind would have no hope.

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I believe the Law is good, but man can't hold it so its against us. Only Christ could fulfill it perfectly and be the perfect servant.

And Scripture says the Law was against us and Christ blotted out the ordinances that were against us, and the principalities behind the Law, nailing it to his cross.

So God gave Christ judgement seat and Christ cannot Judge any man for there sin. There is no sin to be judged on, he took away the worlds sin.

What I mean by the law has not helped mankind is that is has not stopped anyone from breaking it. Society is full of law breakers. For everything thats a Law there is always law breakers. It doesn't solve the problem.

Christ saved the whole world. We can stand there judging others thinking were righteous and others are sinners but that would just be exactly the same as the hypocrites. All the world does is judge others based on a law. The world is in full conflict based on mans laws. Why did everyone have to bow down to the King of Babylons Statue, because it was his law.

Even the scriptures multiple times says Christ took away not only ours, but the sins of the entire world Jews and Gentiles. Go look at the multitude from all nations, peoples, languages, so big no man could number giving praise to God.

Where do my teachings come from?, the scriptures because thats what they say.

People only perish because they love not the truth in this world and the world goes into its judgement and own destruction. No human is the devil, and hades and death are destroyed as Christ defeated on the Cross.

What does this mean in its full context?. If people think im wrong then teach me. Even if i am wrong on some things, im blameless because I have not judged a single person in this world on there salvation because I believe in Christs work.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

Maybe this will explain ...
To be over done in following all of the OT laws would be nuts As you say it cant be done... ... but which of the 10 do we wish to ignore? we dont
To not follow any laws ( requests.. commandments what ever we wish to call them) would be just as nuts as trying to follow all of 'em.

There is balance .. Jesus gave us a couple very open commands not in the phrase of Thou shall not but in love

Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matt is repeated in mark and luke
Again with the balance
there is repentance .. if there is ZERO sin what do we need to repent of?

These verses cover my thoughts ... on the subject..

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

kiwidan in 70 years i have seen a few things one of them being folks who fall , thinking there is no sin only grace .. and one who went the way of thinking everything was sin and failed at keeping the laws he thought would make him righteous ..
If i didn't care about you i would have just kept my 'mouth ' shut... It is not judging to yell at the kid who is heading for the street.. it is love...
that said, could well be i am not grasping what you are saying ...

God lives under his own one spiritual law, that is, pure love, he is a pure positive energy spirit.

kiwidan said:

What does this mean in its full context?. If people think im wrong then teach me. Even if i am wrong on some things, im blameless because I have not judged a single person in this world on there salvation because I believe in Christs work.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

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The best question a person can ask is if they feel their wrong.

You will always find someone who thinks your wrong.

If you ever have any doubt about something I'm sure someone here can teach what they know. If you have no doubt then it doesn't matter if someone wants to teach, you won't want it.

The choice ultimately depends on you.

Nathan said:

The best question a person can ask is if they feel their wrong.

You will always find someone who thinks your wrong.

If you ever have any doubt about something I'm sure someone here can teach what they know. If you have no doubt then it doesn't matter if someone wants to teach, you won't want it.

The choice ultimately depends on you.

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Well that verse does seem to clearly say Christ nailed the law and commandments to the cross and having spoiled the principalities and powers triumphing over them.

He triumphed over the Law and the principalities behind it to wash away the worlds sin. So The Most High and Christ cannot judge mankind for there sin.

Christ has Indonesia the curse so not even he can judge because there is no sin.

Mankind needed to learn somehow. Its was all Gods plan.

Even Paul said he was only alive without the Law, and he was spreading a message of Christ crucified and say live in love and peace. It doesn't mean go and do wrong because mankind knows what's right and wrong.

kiwidan said:

Well that verse does seem to clearly say Christ nailed the law and commandments to the cross and having spoiled the principalities and powers triumphing over them.

He triumphed over the Law and the principalities behind it to wash away the worlds sin. So The Most High and Christ they cannot judge mankind for there sin.

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My take, it says He nailed the record of debt and the demands it makes to the cross.

In other words, if you got a speeding ticket and were convicted guilty of it, owing a fine -

He nailed the ticket and the fine to the cross. Not the law that says you can't speed. That law still stands to convict the next guy.

Because God cannot change His laws never will either. Could you have faith in a God that changes? Would you ever wonder if He changed His mind on you? Of course not. God doesn't change.

Your sin tickets and the price you were going to have to pay was nailed to the cross. The law is still there to bring others to the cross.

Nathan said:

My take, it says He nailed the record of debt and the demands it makes to the cross.

In other words, if you got a speeding ticket and were convicted guilty of it, owing a fine -

He nailed the ticket and the fine to the cross. Not the law that says you can't speed. That law still stands to convict the next guy.

Because God cannot change His laws never will either. Could you have faith in a God that changes? Would you ever wonder if He changed His mind on you? Of course not. God doesn't change.

Your sin tickets and the price you were going to have to pay was nailed to the cross. The law is still there to bring others to the cross.

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God's Law may stand forever, but his Law can never be held against anyone. The Law only gives the knowledge of sin and the one that says 'your a sinner'., because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

The Law may stand forever, but no one is judged under it. Christ has washed away the sins of the whole world. Not even Christ can judge a man through the law because he himself cleanse the world and took away the charge and fullfilled the Law. The court room is empty. Christ has declared the world innocent before God. Thats why there is a multitude so big no man could number dressed in clean linen. Only a few find the Kingdom of God as the narrow path, but thats not the full picture.

Christ doesn't change right.

Only the devil accuses.

kiwidan said:

God's Law may stand forever, but his Law can never be held against anyone. The Law only gives the knowledge of sin and the one that says 'your a sinner'., because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

The Law may stand forever, but no one is judged under it. Christ has washed away the sins of the whole world. Not even Christ can judge a man through the law because he himself cleanse the world and took away the charge and fullfilled the Law. The court room is empty.

Christ doesn't change right.

Only the devil accuses.

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If the law still stands then there has to be a court room.

Think about this. Do you know people who have lied? Are there murders that happen? Ever known someone to commit adultery?

If there was no law, then those things would not be wrong. There would be no reason to try someone in a court.

Christ paid for sins not washed them away. Sins are paid for and forgotten by those who are in Christ. Do you know everyone is in Christ? If they are in Christ do they love God?

why would someone who loves God want to kill? Why would they want to lie?

He fulfilled the law for all in Him. You come to Him, He takes care of it. You stay away, He won't force you.

The very fact sin is still around proves to yourself that there is still a law. Just the same as since there is a creation, there must be a creator.

Every single translations says Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

If Christ takes away the sin of the world, what does that mean to you?.

You believe there is sin?, or do you believe scripture and believe Christs works that he took away the sin of the world?

Quote a verse like 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world', and many Christians will say 'no he didn't, sin still exists', because they dont believe in Christ and his works.


Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil--


What about 1 John 3:8


And they still dont believe in Christs works. They believe sin is still in the world and they are the only people saved.

The devil may roam but hes got no power.

kiwidan said:

Quote a verse like Behold the Lb of God who takes away the sin of the world', and many Christians will say 'no he didn't, sin still exists', because they dont believe in Christ and his works.

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Isaiah 43:24-26
Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money,
neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices:
but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins,
thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake,
and will not remember thy sins.
Put me in remembrance: let us plead together:
declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

I re read it to confirm, the scripture says 'behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world'.

It doesn't say 'behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of only a very few elect few people why the rest burn for eternity in a lake of fire'

Also,

"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

It doesn't say 'he is the atoning sacrifice only for our sins because we believe and not the whole worlds they can burn in a lake of fire forever'

kiwidan said:

Quote a verse like 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world', and many Christians will say 'no he didn't, sin still exists', because they dont believe in Christ and his works.


Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil--


What about 1 John 3:8


And they still dont believe in Christs works. They believe sin is still in the world and they are the only people saved.

The devil may roam but hes got no power.

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So you don't see the sin that still exists in the world now? Are there not lies being told, murders being committed?

Nathan said:

So you don't see the sin that still exists in the world now? Are there not lies being told, murders being committed?

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Like this

"People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."

kiwidan said:

Like this

"People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."

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So do you see these things as sinful?

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Nathan said:

So do you see these things as sinful?

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There sinful but God doesn't see the Sin because Christ took away the worlds Sin. So everytime someone sins its as if they never did Sin. People are still crooked and do wicked stuff because the devil likes to corrupt man, but the devil has already been defeated.

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