Bible Study New Creation 2

Soul man said:

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.

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Cygnus said:

Can you present us with several verses to support this line of theology?

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Soul man said:

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.
Then after the new birth, the believer grows in the Lord out of his own independence to the Christ-life. As this takes place, all of the personality traits of the Christ within begin to surface.
The act, on the believer’s part, that makes this possible is love.
The love of God working in and through the believer places more and more responsibility on the Christ within until finally everything that the believer does is Christ. The great asset of faith eventually is seen by the believer to be the faith of Christ.
This, of course, is almost an opposite to religion’s idea of faith.
This is because Satan, who operates religion, wants to keep the believer mentally separated from the Christ within.
There is no area where Satan accomplishes this more greatly than with faith.
The believer who is always seeking faith, always going to some faith building meeting, always trusting some “man of faith,” always believing that his faith is weak, is a tool for Satan’s work of separatism.
Not only does this place the believer in a vulnerable place to be defeated, but it denies him the rest which resides in knowing that the only life he has is Christ.
So many believers are trapped by an erroneous gospel that says we can be something or we can believe for something aside from the Christ within.
This is where the growth of the believer reaches Galatians 2:20.
Finally, when the believer sees that he is “crucified with Christ,” his independence killed out at Calvary, he is ready to enter into the sonship the Father intended by the birthing. He is ready to now say,
“The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.”
What a glorious position to be in, no longer just depending upon self, no longer groping outside of one’s Christ-life for an answer, no longer going to and fro for help, but living by the “faith of the Son of God.”
It is a very natural thing now for the Christ within to do all the loving, the hoping, the working and, most of all, the believing.
It is not our faith now, nor has it ever been our faith. We, the “crucified with Christ,” have given our selves to Him to use as Himself, so as we have no life of our own, no that faith of our own, but we have the total faith of the Son of God.

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th1b.taylor said:

If I could I would that every person that walks through any Churches door would believe as we are commanded to,,, as a small child! I was forty-five when I answered the call on me, twemty-three plus years before. The trouble is the average person hears that small still voice and says that is a weird thought! And they go back to their sins and forget it.

The pertinent verse is 2Pet 3:8 where I learned that God calls all of us to salvation.

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for_his_glory said:

Soul man, I want to know what you think makes us a new creation?

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th1b.taylor said:

Yes and when I use the information from the 1980's Barna Survey of the American Church facts I often receive a rebuke or twenty because the truth is ugly. But with Barna surveying only the Faithful consisting of about fifteen percent, more or less, of the Membership Rolls and slightly less than 2% confirming they believe the basic tenants of the Christian Faith in a double blind survey, I feel safe saying that less than one percent of the American Christian Church is saved and at the same time that saddens me, especially when I was called to take the podium, to look out at all those Religious People and to know that in a house of two hundred, my wife and I might be the only two saved persons in the room. It can be very distressing and people do not appreciate the concern when you want to cry for them and your voice cracks delivering God's Word to them.

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Soul man said:

1 Cor. 6:17,
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Col. 2:10,
Ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
2 Cor. 5:17,
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

To answer your question, 'Christ in you.
The two make up the new creation, Christ without you is no new creation.
You without Christ, is no new creation.
The two have become one "in spirit,"
dividing soul and spirit is absolutely imperative for the believers growth.
Without dividing of soul and spirit, there is very little growth.
We see it in the many doctrines of men.

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Soul man said:

I feel your heart my brother, I'm burdened as well. I have a percentage of things as well I use when teaching.
As you know politics and religion can get ugly real quick.
But the burden is real, it's not something you work up. You don't pray for it, as a Christian you see things, experience goes along ways.
I used to wonder about the gifts, experience allows you to understand what others are thinking, how they operate, the mindset that drives them.
I don't know if it's a gift or just to much involvement.
When you have been there, its not really that hard to understand.

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th1b.taylor said:

Yes and when I use the information from the 1980's Barna Survey of the American Church facts I often receive a rebuke or twenty because the truth is ugly. But with Barna surveying only the Faithful consisting of about fifteen percent, more or less, of the Membership Rolls and slightly less than 2% confirming they believe the basic tenants of the Christian Faith in a double blind survey, I feel safe saying that less than one percent of the American Christian Church is saved and at the same time that saddens me, especially when I was called to take the podium, to look out at all those Religious People and to know that in a house of two hundred, my wife and I might be the only two saved persons in the room. It can be very distressing and people do not appreciate the concern when you want to cry for them and your voice cracks delivering God's Word to them.

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for_his_glory said:

I so agree with what you have said here and it is sad. When I use to teach in the prison ministry I would stand before these men and women and you could see those who were there that that just wanted out of their cells for an hour and then you really saw into the faces of those who truly had Christ within them and hungered for His word. I have actually walked through the doors of many churches to have the Holy Spirit unction me to walk right back out. Do we want to be the Church of Philadelphia or the church of Laodicea!!!

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Soul man said:

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.
Then after the new birth, the believer grows in the Lord out of his own independence to the Christ-life. As this takes place, all of the personality traits of the Christ within begin to surface.
The act, on the believer’s part, that makes this possible is love.
The love of God working in and through the believer places more and more responsibility on the Christ within until finally everything that the believer does is Christ. The great asset of faith eventually is seen by the believer to be the faith of Christ.
This, of course, is almost an opposite to religion’s idea of faith.
This is because Satan, who operates religion, wants to keep the believer mentally separated from the Christ within.
There is no area where Satan accomplishes this more greatly than with faith.
The believer who is always seeking faith, always going to some faith building meeting, always trusting some “man of faith,” always believing that his faith is weak, is a tool for Satan’s work of separatism.
Not only does this place the believer in a vulnerable place to be defeated, but it denies him the rest which resides in knowing that the only life he has is Christ.
So many believers are trapped by an erroneous gospel that says we can be something or we can believe for something aside from the Christ within.
This is where the growth of the believer reaches Galatians 2:20.
Finally, when the believer sees that he is “crucified with Christ,” his independence killed out at Calvary, he is ready to enter into the sonship the Father intended by the birthing. He is ready to now say,
“The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.”
What a glorious position to be in, no longer just depending upon self, no longer groping outside of one’s Christ-life for an answer, no longer going to and fro for help, but living by the “faith of the Son of God.”
It is a very natural thing now for the Christ within to do all the loving, the hoping, the working and, most of all, the believing.
It is not our faith now, nor has it ever been our faith. We, the “crucified with Christ,” have given our selves to Him to use as Himself, so as we have no life of our own, no faith of our own, but we have the total faith of the Son of God.

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