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Christians are not required to tithe, but true followers will indeed give to others as a result of the Spirit of Christ that is within them.

It truly is better to give than it is to receive, but this can only be truly understood by those who have put on the mind of Christ.

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The law of commandments contained in ordinances, does not pertain to the Elect of Christ, therefore Christians are not required to tithe.
This wall which divided the Old Testament believers of God, from all that would become the New Testament believers, was the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ abolished the Mosaic Law and ordinances, including tithing and sin offerings.



Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Christians are not required to tithe, nor are they to make offerings for their sins.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, this includes those who were under the first testament covenant given to the Hebrews through Moses. Through Christ alone, these who were faithful could also receive Christ’s promise of eternal life through Him.

Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The true followers of Jesus are not under the Old Testament law of bondage, but the new law of liberty which is in Christ. The new covenant of Christ was established upon better promises (Heb 8:6).

2 Cor 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

This giving is out of love, and it does not necessarily relate to money. It is based on compassion as opposed to ordinances. More often than naught, sharing time, talents and knowledge with others is a much larger sacrifice.

Let us, therefore, give out of a pure heart. True Christians are not required to tithe, but they truly love to give unto others.

The law of Christ is not of a carnal commandment, but He is the means unto eternal life (Heb 7:16).

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

All who are in Christ Jesus are the True Israel of God (Gal 6:15-16).

Christians are not required to tithe, and any preacher that claims new covenant believers must pay ten percent of their income to a church is a deceiver.

Jesus did not tithe, and Christians are not required to tithe either.

The reasons why Christians are not required to tithe are quite obvious.
Tithing was a decree of the Mosaic Law, and this Law ended when Christ laid down his life for all of mankind.

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

The new covenant of Christ, cancelled out the old one given unto the Hebrews, therefore Christians are not required to tithe (Heb 7:18).

Tithing was of the Old Testament law, and Christians are under the New Law of Christ.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Christians are not required to tithe, and there is not a single command for the New Covenant Church to do so

The article above is written by:
John Alexander also known as the new covenant preacher
Link to full article and website
 
Paul in Galatians 2:19 did not say the law was dead; he said he was dead to the law. In other words the law had no authority over him because he was under grace and law and grace cannot mix, Galatians 2:21. The law is not dead as some teach. You can live under the Law if you choose, but Galatians 3:10-13 states the law is very much alive, so alive that it carries a curse with it if violated trying to live by it.

Paul never taught tithing, in truth he taught against it. Tithing is not for the born-again believer today. Tithing was incorporated into the law given to Moses, Leviticus 27:26-34. The same law where circumcision was incorporated into, Lev. 12:1-8. We do not circumcise or sacrifice animals according to the law, so why do we tithe. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. Galatians 3:10-13 for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse and man is not justified by the law in the sight of God, but Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.
 
this is interesting. I lean towards 'no,' but a lot of that is because I've seen some questionable, highly ambitious church officials push tithing on the faithful...and it made me very uncomfortable.
 
There are giver's and takers. (As a personality traits)

And having enough to give is a mindset not a balance sheet. I've seen homeless people give gifts to each other. And I've seen middle class be all kinds of stingy. "Giving to get" and that sort of behavior is common in American society.

The biggest problem with giving is finding places and times to give. Where I don't want to "give a drunk a drink" and cause more sin. Generosity causes trouble in timing as well....
But Christmas is coming....and I'm getting ready to explode with it. Timing issues are resolved with the season.

And as far as what churches do with the money I give them? I'm not responsible for what they do. They answer to God... same as I do. Just because they sin doesn't mean that I should as well. Their behavior doesn't have to effect mine.
 
I dunno. I'm all about helping to support a church, keep the ministries going, all that jazz....but to put a flat 10% requirement on everyone? I don't know about all that business.

My dad pops in at this megachurch now and then. they fired the former head pastor for some sinful behavior, but...I remember this one sermon he gave, before he got canned, and he was basically demanding 10%. from --everyone--. Keep in mind; this place calls the church members "part owners," supposedly to encourage stewardship and responsibility. Meh. I'm not so sure...nothing wrong with being a "part owner" of a business or a corporation, but a church?

Plus, dude man's (not publicly disclosed...) salary is/was rumored to be running around 400K per year. Personally, I saw more giving out of smaller, local, Pentecostal churches (they seem to have a lot of well-established ministries) than I did out of this place. The smaller churches also seemed to be more part of the community, whereas these massive "campuses" of this place kind of...took over. Kind of like Wal-Mart squeezing out the local mom and pops back in the day.
 
This giving is out of love, and it does not necessarily relate to money. It is based on compassion as opposed to ordinances. More often than naught, sharing time, talents and knowledge with others is a much larger sacrifice.

Let us, therefore, give out of a pure heart. True Christians are not required to tithe, but they truly love to give unto others.

The law of Christ is not of a carnal commandment, but He is the means unto eternal life (Heb 7:16).

I agree with this. I can testify that I did tithe for awhile, and the Lord, (who never changes) did honor it and returned to me blessings. So to honor God in tithing is ok if it on someone's heart to do so. But we are not required to tithe, as you say. It is also a big folly were one to give out of necessity. Meaning...I'm broke, not enough for bills, let me go to the God vending machine and tithe in to get the return. That's not with a cheerful heart.

Compassion, helpfulness, sharing talents and knowledge are opportunities that we run into every day. Don't be hasty to get errands done and walk past an opportunity to lift a brother up in some way.

And for Brothers and Sisters who are older and perhaps afflicted to the point of not being able to get out of the house more...They can still give through fasting. Fasting is more powerful than you know! So we can all give with a cheerful heart. :hug
 
Tithing has never been taught to be money in the scriptures. Tithing has put people under bondage and a lot of people need to be set free from the bondage law of 10%. Most people cannot afford to give 10% of their paycheck. They would not have time to count out 10% of all their perishable and nonperishable food items and bring them into Gods storehouse. The laws given to Moses in Leviticus 27 required all this. The storehouses that God was talking about was storing up food to feed the priest and scribes in the temple so they could be about those things of the Lord and not have to worry about what they should eat or how to provide food for themselves.

You can give 10% when you know the truth. When you do not know the truth and you are tithing because you are told to tithe this is called tithing under the Old Testament law. God does not honor this today. Just because we do not know the truth, this does not change God's word. We have all tithed. To this day has anybody ever showed you in the Bible where tithing is money? You have just taken mans word for it all these years.

The God I serve and read about in the Bible is not a God that would expect you to give the babies milk money to him. He would not expect your family to go without twenty dollars worth of food so you can give the last 20 to the church. Even the women with the two mites gave her last from the heart and not because she had to, but because she wanted to. If tithing meant money in today's world we would need ten or twelve banks just to hold our money. See, the monetary over abundance is not happening. Tithing is nothing more than good intentions and good intentions do not get you your blessings. The only thing that is going to set you free is the truth of the word of God. Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith; these ought to have been done and not to leave the other undone. See, the hypocrites do these things for show, but they do not give out of love. They give because they were told to do so.

 
As I have stated before:

Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.

Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.

In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"

JSM
 
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Tithing has never been taught to be money in the scriptures.
That's because the world has been a commodity based economy for thousands of years.
Gold, silver, glass, and perfume/spices were mediums of exchange if food was inconvenient to use.
You could pay a debt in barley just as easily as silver...and in several instances this was done.

Fiat money was a creation of Daniel's in the Babylonian Empire and all banking systems are derived from it. Our Federal Reserve system is based upon what Daniel created for Nebachunezzar. It also ballooned the Babylonian Empire beyond anyone's wildest dreams of the day.

But everyone's checkbook of money and time shows exactly what they value the most. Pre-planned income disposal is a difficult thought process for most. Especially when banks allow Everyone to mortgage themselves into poverty. Also financial advice for household budgeting usually doesn't include giving as part of a budget.

$20 in a card means a lot less to me than a $5 well thought out gift that let's me know that they thought of me and what they thought of me. And a gift that is hand-made by them having serious craftsmanship skills... priceless. (And I don't care if they didn't have to purchase the materials)
And I think that God thinks in the same fashion.
So money is cheap and worthless. There's a much better game afoot. Just most have no clue.
 
That's because the world has been a commodity based economy for thousands of years.
Gold, silver, glass, and perfume/spices were mediums of exchange if food was inconvenient to use.
You could pay a debt in barley just as easily as silver...and in several instances this was done.

Fiat money was a creation of Daniel's in the Babylonian Empire and all banking systems are derived from it. Our Federal Reserve system is based upon what Daniel created for Nebachunezzar. It also ballooned the Babylonian Empire beyond anyone's wildest dreams of the day.

But everyone's checkbook of money and time shows exactly what they value the most. Pre-planned income disposal is a difficult thought process for most. Especially when banks allow Everyone to mortgage themselves into poverty. Also financial advice for household budgeting usually doesn't include giving as part of a budget.

$20 in a card means a lot less to me than a $5 well thought out gift that let's me know that they thought of me and what they thought of me. And a gift that is hand-made by them having serious craftsmanship skills... priceless. (And I don't care if they didn't have to purchase the materials)
And I think that God thinks in the same fashion.
So money is cheap and worthless. There's a much better game afoot. Just most have no clue.
I too would rather have something from the heart as it is a thought out gift. I still am in favor of the barter system.
 
the tithe is a pretty much consent of the Church. it is up to the individual the tithe can be a good way of giving ..but how many go above the tithe say you make gross a thousand dollars a week . do you only gibe a hundred or give more? once again this is a personal issue between you and the LORD . many churches has huge budgets and depend heavy on the %10 . many preachers pound it every Sunday. a proper use of the tithe giving /example . a lady i know on a limited income the Church she attends is paying to have her trailer underpinned . that is what the offering is for /the store house. so i say follow your convictions
 
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer in Christ doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?

Please post your scripture to support(s) your statement.
 
We have walked with Jesus for 40 years as born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit Christians and He has never told us to tithe. We have sought him carefully and diligently on this matter. Often we gave all we had, money and otherwise. When you know that it is Jesus asking something of you it is wonderful to do it.

We had no children for 14 years as my wife's body killed my sperm on contact. Doctors could do nothing. Jesus told us He was sending us a son but first we had to plant something. He sent a two week old baby boy to us to keep awhile. We grew to love him as our own. If you think you can't love another's child as your own you're mistaken. As the prophet told the little widow woman "bake me a little cake first" .

After six months He showed us another couple he wanted to have baby Joshua. They had not been married as long as we had been. Like Abraham we would have been happy just to have Joshua. No authority was over us except God. We could have kept the baby but gave God his little cake first. After two years as I prayed in tongues one day God gave me the interpretation. In short He said my wife was pregnant. We bought a baby book and put his name in it. He was born about 8 1/2 months later. Nathan is 36 now.

Planting first then receiving a bountiful harvest. Jesus gave us three children. A very good return! Cast your bread upon the waters and it will return after many days.

My heart went out to a poor woman who called in recently on a call in prayer program. She was broken and in tears. She so needed healing of many things and had all kinds of problems.

The host after heating her plaintive cries amazingly asked "are you tithing"? I was shocked and hurt for her. Thank God when I city out to Him He has never asked "why aren't you tithing"?

Our American economy is in pathetic shape and ministries are being pinched. They speak more and more about money, tithing. When younger I let this pressing talk condemn me. I'm mature now and do not let what men say condemn me when I know I've heard from God. If you'll notice all of this persuasion by "ministries" tends to heap guilt and condemnation on the listener.

Pray, read the Scriptures, listen for His still small voice. Do as He tells you.
 
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Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer in Christ doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?

Please post your scripture to support(s) your statement.

Ooo, you ask good questions Brother! I think...what was it? Um, Oh I better not. I need more coffee first. It's too early to engage brain yet, lol. :coffee
 
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer in Christ doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?

Please post your scripture to support(s) your statement.

I'm not aware of the NT giving any set figure. I Cor.16:1,2 sets it as we have been "prospered".
TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT OR JEW
 
Christians are not required to tithe, but true followers will indeed give to others as a result of the Spirit of Christ that is within them.

It truly is better to give than it is to receive, but this can only be truly understood by those who have put on the mind of Christ.

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

The law of commandments contained in ordinances, does not pertain to the Elect of Christ, therefore Christians are not required to tithe.
This wall which divided the Old Testament believers of God, from all that would become the New Testament believers, was the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ abolished the Mosaic Law and ordinances, including tithing and sin offerings.



Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Christians are not required to tithe, nor are they to make offerings for their sins.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, this includes those who were under the first testament covenant given to the Hebrews through Moses. Through Christ alone, these who were faithful could also receive Christ’s promise of eternal life through Him.

Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The true followers of Jesus are not under the Old Testament law of bondage, but the new law of liberty which is in Christ. The new covenant of Christ was established upon better promises (Heb 8:6).

2 Cor 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

This giving is out of love, and it does not necessarily relate to money. It is based on compassion as opposed to ordinances. More often than naught, sharing time, talents and knowledge with others is a much larger sacrifice.

Let us, therefore, give out of a pure heart. True Christians are not required to tithe, but they truly love to give unto others.

The law of Christ is not of a carnal commandment, but He is the means unto eternal life (Heb 7:16).

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

All who are in Christ Jesus are the True Israel of God (Gal 6:15-16).

Christians are not required to tithe, and any preacher that claims new covenant believers must pay ten percent of their income to a church is a deceiver.

Jesus did not tithe, and Christians are not required to tithe either.

The reasons why Christians are not required to tithe are quite obvious.
Tithing was a decree of the Mosaic Law, and this Law ended when Christ laid down his life for all of mankind.

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

The new covenant of Christ, cancelled out the old one given unto the Hebrews, therefore Christians are not required to tithe (Heb 7:18).

Tithing was of the Old Testament law, and Christians are under the New Law of Christ.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Christians are not required to tithe, and there is not a single command for the New Covenant Church to do so

The article above is written by:
John Alexander also known as the new covenant preacher
Link to full article and website
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Good post. (imho)

The Law of the Tithe: Deut 14:22-29 RSV (Which I have NEVER heard any preacher at any time teach from the pulpit.)
You shall tithe all the yield of your seed, which comes forth from the field year by year. And before the LORD your God, in the place which he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstlings of your herd and flock; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to bring the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God chooses, to set his name there, then you shall turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses, and spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves; and you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. And you shall not forsake the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.

At the end of every three years you shall bring forth all the tithe of your produce in the same year, and lay it up within your towns;
and the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled; that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.


Summarizing:
1. Take your tithe to Jerusalem. (Bring your local Levite with you.)
2. Eat your tithe there in celebration of the goodness of the Lord. (Throw a party.)
3. Or sell your tithe and bring the money to Jerusalem were you can buy food and wine to celebrate.
4. Every third year put your tithe in the local storehouses (food bank?) where the alien, widow, orphan, and Levite (Is anyone's pastor a descendant of Levi?) can go to get food.
5. NOBODY EVER preaches that.

As for New Testament giving:
1. Pay your pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets and apostles.
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
2. Pay them well.
1Ti 5:17-18 Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching; for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages."
3. If you want a church building then it's going to cost something to build, maintain, and for utilities. Pony up.


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