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The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof.


Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.


Notice how this is striking similar to that which was said in the book of Acts when the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:12-15)


Isaiah 29:10-12
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:

the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.


Isaiah 29:13-14
Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.



The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof. The following scriptures will further document this notion. Feel free to discuss.
 
So the Isaiah 29:10-12 passage has an inference to Pentecost. How about the Cross?


Psalms 69:20-28
Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness:
and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none;
and for comforters, but I found none.
They gave me also gall for my meat;
and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Let their table become a snare before them:
and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not;

and make their loins continually to shake.
Pour out thine indignation upon them,
and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
Let their habitation be desolate;
and let none dwell in their tents.
For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten;
and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
Add iniquity unto their iniquity:
and let them not come into thy righteousness.
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living,
and not be written with the righteous.



In my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink is a reference to the words of Jesus as he hung upon the cross, when he said, I Thirst.


Romans 11:7-10
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.


There eyes were darkened that they see not. And that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a snare and a trap and a stumblingblock. What was for their welfare? Was it the cross?
 
Has the cross become a snare and a trap and a stumblingblock? The scriptures do say that Christ was made a stumblingblock (1 Cor 1:23).

1 Peter 2:7-8
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


Even to those who stumble at the word. Why? Because the words of the book are sealed.


Isaiah 44:18-19
They have not known nor understood:
for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see;
and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
And none considereth in his heart,
neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say,

I have burned part of it in the fire;
yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof;
I have roasted flesh, and eaten it:
and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination?
shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?


What have they not considered in their hearts? What have they no knowledge or understanding to say?
 
Jesus spoke in parables, so that in seeing they would not see, and in hearing they would not hear.



Isaiah 6:9-12
And he said, Go, and tell this people,
Hear ye indeed, but understand not;
and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Make the heart of this people fat,
and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered,
Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant,
and the houses without man,
and the land be utterly desolate,
And the Lord have removed men far away,
and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.




Matthew 13:10-15
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


Matthew 13:34-35
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
 
John 5:46-47
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Neither will they be persuaded. But the words of the book have been sealed, and only Christ is worthy to open the seal thereof. There is vail that remains upon their hearts until this day.



2 Corinthians 3:12-17
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


But there minds were blinded, and the same vail remains untaken away when reading the old testament. How long are their minds blinded?

Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant,
and the houses without man,
and the land be utterly desolate,
And the Lord have removed men far away,
and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
 
But we are not without hope. For when we shall turn to Christ, the vail shall be taken away.


Revelation 5:1-5
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


Revelation 5:6-10
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Isaiah 29:15-17
Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord,
and their works are in the dark,
and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay:
for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not?
or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Is it not yet a very little while,
and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field,
and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?


Isaiah 29:18-24
And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book,
and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord,
and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

That make a man an offender for a word,
and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate,
and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob,
Jacob shall not now be ashamed,
neither shall his face now wax pale.
But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him,
they shall sanctify my name,
and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob,
and shall fear the God of Israel.
They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding,
and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
 
2 Corinthians 3:14-18
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


Romans 1:21-23
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.



The Lake of Fire is the image of the Glory of the Lord. But in their blindness their foolish heart was darkened, and they changed the glory of God into the image of a man. A man they call Jesus. For until this day the vail remains untaken away when reading the old testament. The vail that remains untaken way is upon their heart. But that vail will be taken away when it shall turn to the Lord. The vail is done away in Christ.


Hebrews 10:19-20
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


The vail that remains upon the heart is done away in the flesh of Christ.
 
Why would the Lord seal the words of the book, and close their eyes, and blind them to the words of the old testament until this day, by placing a vail upon their heart?

If he closed their eyes to the old testament and placed a vail upon their hearts, then what were their eyes opened to?

Adam, in the Garden of Eden, when he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil: His eyes were opened and he knew his nakedness. So when the words of the book were sealed and their eyes darkened, they were blinded to the knowledge of their sin.
 
One other thought to consider.

Isaiah 29:10, in a inference to Pentecost, says that he poured out a spirit of deep sleep upon them and has closed their eyes.


Again, in the Garden of Eden, we find the story of the creation of Eve, and how that the Lord had caused a deep sleep to come upon Adam.


He hath poured out the spirit of a deep sleep and has closed their eyes is part of the process of the New Creation.
 
The new creation involves death first, then life. For except a seed fall into the ground and first die....

John 12:24-25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

1 Corinthians 15:45-48
But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

When we die, our eyes are closed. Such as it is with the cross. Let their eyes be darkened, for you are crucified with Christ, and have become dead with Him. For he has closed their eyes and brought upon them them the spirit of a deep sleep, that he might bring forth his new creation.
 
Do you think that you have eyes that see? and ears that hear?

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

ALL were and are blinded. Except for the elect has obtained it. What did he Elect obtain that Israel sought after? Did Israel seek after their sight because they knew they were blind. For they too said that they had eyes that see.


John 9:39-41
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.


Isaiah 42:18-19
Hear, ye deaf;
and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

Who is blind, but my servant?
or deaf, as my messenger that I sent?
who is blind as he that is perfect,
and blind as the Lord's servant?


 
The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof.

Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.

Notice how this is striking similar to that which was said in the book of Acts when the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:12-15)

Isaiah 29:10-12
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:

the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:13-14
Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof. The following scriptures will further document this notion. Feel free to discuss.

ezrider,

Please, please, when you start a new thread, allow other posters to interact with your first post instead of making the first 11 posts come from you. This does not encourage engagement with one another in conversation.

Oz
 
ezrider,

Please, please, when you start a new thread, allow other posters to interact with your first post instead of making the first 11 posts come from you. This does not encourage engagement with one another in conversation.

Oz


I understand what you are trying to say here, but I must ask myself why? Why should I stop at only the first post and wait for someone to respond? Does that make it easier to argue and contest the premise of the OP? Does posting the additional comments with supporting scripture make that more difficult to do?

The OP and the tittle of the thread are very clear and concise: The words of the book are sealed.

Were you not interested in the subject of the OP or discussing it? Or is it that you don't believe it? Did the subsequent scriptures I posted not support the case the I mad in the OP?


The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof.
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine.

Are the scriptures that I have posted in the OP and in support of the OP not inspired by God? Are they not profitable for doctrine? Does that confuse you? How can knowing the words of the book are sealed be profitable for doctrine?



for instruction in righteousness.

Now we are getting somewhere. For instruction in righteousness. For the instruction in righteousness comes by Faith. As it is written, the just shall live by faith. The instruction in Righteousness comes not from the words of the book, but by the Spirit of the Lord; for the words of the Book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to open the seals thereof.
 
Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


The instruction in righteousness, furnished unto good works, does NOT come by the Law.


Galatians 3:22-25
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

After Faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. After that Faith has come, the words of the book are sealed, and we learned to walk by faith.


Isaiah 42:18-19
Hear, ye deaf;
and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
Who is blind, but my servant?
or deaf, as my messenger that I sent?
who is blind as he that is perfect,
and blind as the Lord's servant?
 
I understand what you are trying to say here, but I must ask myself why? Why should I stop at only the first post and wait for someone to respond? Does that make it easier to argue and contest the premise of the OP? Does posting the additional comments with supporting scripture make that more difficult to do?

The OP and the tittle of the thread are very clear and concise: The words of the book are sealed.

Were you not interested in the subject of the OP or discussing it? Or is it that you don't believe it? Did the subsequent scriptures I posted not support the case the I mad in the OP?

If you understood what I was trying to say, you would listen to what one of your audience is saying - which you weren't.

If you want a conversation with somebody in person or on a forum, it's a 2-way conversation. Please allow that to happen with a small initial post and see if you are scratching where people are itching.

Eleven posts in a row was boring to me. I was turned off listening by your one-way conversation.

Oz
 
ezrider,

I notice that I'm the only person who has interacted with you in the 8 days since your original 11 posts. Yes, 11 posts in the one day as your OP.

This must be telling you something. Have I touched on one of those issues - verbosity, talkativeness, longwindedness.

Oz
 
I've oft posited that Christ, were he to show up among us as a man, would definitely know things about the scriptures that are only for him to reveal ( or know )

The words are, " sealed " but unto Him

But, this is often met with great resistence

For some reason, there are people who are certain they know everything about the Book, ....when if they knew everything, .....wouldn't that make them God ?
 
If you understood what I was trying to say, you would listen to what one of your audience is saying - which you weren't.

I already said that I understood what you were saying. So where does this chastisement come from? How can you claim that I didn't hear you were saying ("which you weren't"), when your instruction to me came after I had already posted the first eleven replies? I have not started another thread yet, so how can you say I did not hear you?


If you want a conversation with somebody in person or on a forum, it's a 2-way conversation. Please allow that to happen with a small initial post and see if you are scratching where people are itching.

I would like nothing more than a good two way conversation, where we are open to discussing new things without having to argue over the scripture, or debate and defend the doctrines and traditions of men. I'm not interested in that. For I am but a stranger wandering down some path. If I say something strange or unknown to you, then just ask me; if you are willing, then we can discuss it and I will show you.


Eleven posts in a row was boring to me. I was turned off listening by your one-way conversation.


Again, I have heard and understood your point about the eleven posts in a row. It may have been boring to you, but I can tell you that it certainly wasn't boring for me. If I may remind you, it was you who suggested that we be like the Bereans, but it was also you who asked for the scriptures to support my statement. Well, when I went and searched out the scriptures to find what I knew to be true, the eleven posts is what I started with. Maybe I was a bit over zealous, but when the cup runneth over, should I apologize for it?

Or should I apologize for holding back on posting any more scriptures? Well, I think not; after all, you weren't interested having a conversation about the words of the book being sealed.

The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof.
 
I've oft posited that Christ, were he to show up among us as a man, would definitely know things about the scriptures that are only for him to reveal ( or know )

The words are, " sealed " but unto Him

But, this is often met with great resistence

Thanks for the comment, and welcome to the communtiy.

It certainly is a paradox, isn't it? We look to the words of a book that are sealed to instruct us.

For some reason, there are people who are certain they know everything about the Book, ....when if they knew everything, .....wouldn't that make them God ?

Well, in the beginning...........

Speaking of a paradox. Consider the following phrase and what it might mean. We can discuss it.


"He has closed my eyes to sin, so that I might look upon my Sin."
 
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