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the Ritalin thing is scary, but...that's been becoming more and more of an issue for the past couple decades. Its fairly obviously social control, which is a -big- part of what psychiatry in general is about, especially with kids, the disabled, those in institutions, and the elderly.

looking back, my school experiences were, actually, more negative than positive...largely because of social class issues. my parents were working class when I was a young child, but they were also well-educated and upwardly mobile. their gradual rise created some conflict for me in the school setting, because it is/was a conservative, southern area. I ended up graduating HS 1 year early (not the best idea, but probably better than staying another year).
 
Christ_empowered said:
the Ritalin thing is scary, but...that's been becoming more and more of an issue for the past couple decades. Its fairly obviously social control, which is a -big- part of what psychiatry in general is about, especially with kids, the disabled, those in institutions, and the elderly.

looking back, my school experiences were, actually, more negative than positive...largely because of social class issues. my parents were working class when I was a young child, but they were also well-educated and upwardly mobile. their gradual rise created some conflict for me in the school setting, because it is/was a conservative, southern area. I ended up graduating HS 1 year early (not the best idea, but probably better than staying another year).
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jaci is like my wife. very energetic and cant sit still. she will grab a drink then go watch , or read and forget about that drink. she does have a short attention span. I can see why they wanted to put her on it. Monica said not with my jaci and refused. my wife knows how to make jaci listen. I have nicknames for jaci the most accurate one is the mean little indian as he can be mean.my favorite is mrs. brown bottom.
 
teachers are trying to prototype kids into being useless like themselves, college ?

the education system is not graduating kids to navigate their environments. how many graduates know how to fix a car, build a house, grow their own food, fix a plumbing problem

drilling it into kids heads that they are losers without college ? if I could go back a few decades i would never have gone; i wish i knew how to repair a car, build a house, and grow my own food
 
Creative said:
teachers are trying to prototype kids into being useless like themselves, college ?

the education system is not graduating kids to navigate their environments. how many graduates know how to fix a car, build a house, grow their own food, fix a plumbing problem

drilling it into kids heads that they are losers without college ? if I could go back a few decades i would never have gone; i wish i knew how to repair a car, build a house, and grow my own food
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My Alma mater has an automotive classes,and I know the local colleges teach that as I went to that. We have ffa still here.
 
Jim Parker said:
Because they're doing a lousy job. The average college freshman needs remedial English and remedial Math because he didn't learn it in high school.
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Jim,

Here in Australia, when I teach Introduction to New Testament Greek, I have to spend at least 2-3 sessions on remedial English grammar. Grammar has gone down the tube in our public schools.

I'm gathering examples for a new article on my homepage that has a tentative title of, 'Grammar takes a nose dive in importance'. Here's a grab from some of the examples I'm using:

3. Plural subject needs plural verb; singular subject needs singular verb

a. In the Centrelink form, MOD S, Separation details, it has this question no. 22, ‘Has there been any other changes to your income and assets?’[1]

b. ‘"The water loss and settlement has slowed dramatically so that is why we are now ready to begin construction, because what is called your 'primary settlement' has occurred," he said’ (Moore 2017).

c. ‘Griffin is really bad [with mosquitoes], so is Murrumba Downs station bus stops’ (Jervis 2017).

d. ‘Since before chalk and slate was invented, debates around barbecues have probed teacher claims of 'working on holidays', a phenomenon hardly isolated to just one occupation (Laming 2017). The irony is in the fact that Andrew Laming’s article was about teachers, lesson plans from home, and the influence of unions on education. Laming is a federal MP for the seat of Bowman, based in Cleveland, Qld.

e. An Aussie mother wrote about sending her children to school: ‘24 whiteboard markers PER student. So if there is 20 students in ONE class, that’s a total of 480 whiteboard markers. Are you serious!?’ (news.com.au 2017).

The bold emphasis has been added and refers to incorrect grammar. I have gathered dozens of examples from various sources.

And would you believe that I read a fair share of grammar and punctuation errors on CFnet and other forums?

Oz

[1] Australian Government, Department of Human Services, Centrelink. The form is available at: https://www.humanservices.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/mods-1403en.pdf (Accessed 16 January 2017).
 
well...to be fair, for whatever reasons, people don't read as much as they once did. I don't think its an issue of individuals failing; rather, society has changed, and we're over-entertained, but not as well-read as previous generations. I've heard from college instructors that the quality of written assignments has been going down with each new cohort of students, with a decline beginning over 2 decades ago.

I don't get it. People spend more time plugged into mass media, working, doing scheduled activities, etc. Meanwhile, community and family bonds have disintegrated, and people in general don't take time (perhaps they don't have the time) to reflect, read, write, etc.

My wild guess is that the core issues here are social and economic, not political or ideological.
 
Christ_empowered said:
well...to be fair, for whatever reasons, people don't read as much as they once did. I don't think its an issue of individuals failing; rather, society has changed, and we're over-entertained, but not as well-read as previous generations. I've heard from college instructors that the quality of written assignments has been going down with each new cohort of students, with a decline beginning over 2 decades ago.

I don't get it. People spend more time plugged into mass media, working, doing scheduled activities, etc. Meanwhile, community and family bonds have disintegrated, and people in general don't take time (perhaps they don't have the time) to reflect, read, write, etc.

My wild guess is that the core issues here are social and economic, not political or ideological.
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Grammar,lol.I'm a fine example of that problem. The issue here is the use Twitter .Our use of language won't get any better.
 
OzSpen said:
Here in Australia, when I teach Introduction to New Testament Greek, I have to spend at least 2-3 sessions on remedial English grammar. Grammar has gone down the tube in our public schools.
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I think it is intentional.
If people are not able to use language properly then they are also not able to think logically and can be duped into believing any politically correct nonsense from any politician.
A populace that cannot think (even when they hold a PhD) is a populace easily led by a huckster, con man, or politician.

but what do I know.

BTW: I did post "the Juggler" here.

jim
 
Jim Parker said:
I think it is intentional.
If people are not able to use language properly then they are also not able to think logically and can be duped into believing any politically correct nonsense from any politician.
A populace that cannot think (even when they hold a PhD) is a populace easily led by a huckster, con man, or politician.

but what do I know.

BTW: I did post "the Juggler" here.

jim
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Jim,

From what I've read here, it confirms it is an international problem. When a populace cannot think, we have things happen like the parliament voting in same-sex marriage in Australia last week. You've got it in some states in your country, I know.

I'm beginning the writing of an article with a title that is likely to be something like, 'Same-sex popularity's dangerous reasoning', OR 'A majority favourable vote doesn't make it correct', OR 'The deception of popularity with same-sex marriage'.

I find this to be an example of how unthinking people are deluded by popular thinking and leaders who are advocates without evidence. Our Prime Minister's statement when the vote was passed in Parliament with an overwhelming majority, 'What a day for love, for equality, for respect. Australia has done it'.

This theme is appropriate for the OP, 'This is a terrible evil'.

Now take a listen to, 'O Little Town of Bethlehem'.

Oz
 
to be fair, no-fault divorce has been available in much of the US since the late 60s or early 70s. Once the divorce laws change so that the marriage contract can be terminated at will, just...well, because...then it becomes much harder to argue that the government can (or should...) have any interest in protecting the institution of marriage.
 
OzSpen said:
Jim,

From what I've read here, it confirms it is an international problem. When a populace cannot think, we have things happen like the parliament voting in same-sex marriage in Australia last week. You've got it in some states in your country, I know.

I'm beginning the writing of an article with a title that is likely to be something like, 'Same-sex popularity's dangerous reasoning', OR 'A majority favourable vote doesn't make it correct', OR 'The deception of popularity with same-sex marriage'.

I find this to be an example of how unthinking people are deluded by popular thinking and leaders who are advocates without evidence. Our Prime Minister's statement when the vote was passed in Parliament with an overwhelming majority, 'What a day for love, for equality, for respect. Australia has done it'.

This theme is appropriate for the OP, 'This is a terrible evil'.

Now take a listen to, 'O Little Town of Bethlehem'.

Oz
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Many states voted no on gay marriage , but the Scotus ruled that it was legal. I prefer that don't marry but well not recognizing it will not stop that sin nor would it stop them getting similar legal benefits. This reminds me, I need to start a trust so that when I die, it cant be revoked easily
 
I attended a medical conference a few weeks ago where the point was driven home by a speaker that modern models of universal health care found throughout the world are not only lacking, they are the height of inhumanity.

In the UK, patients 56 years or older are not deemed worthy or eligible for heart transplants. It is said that the socialized system only has so much funding, and the lives of people at this age is not valued at the cost of this life saving measure.

In the Netherlands, infants born at or under 2 pounds (or 1 kilogram) are given absolutely no life saving measures. Apparently again, they are not deemed worthy of the costs associated with the same procedures that an infant born at 2.5 pounds are.

This was at a conference conducted by the University of Michigan, so it's credibility strength is significant, however I haven't found a source online to support them. I made the decision to post this in case someone knows of these atrocities in government-sponsored systems. I will keep looking and report back whether or not I'm successful in finding sources.

Point is that whether these decisions are made due to limitations of government financial resources or something even more sinister, they are inhumane nonetheless. People are quick to bash the traditional privatized US healthcare system until they are touched by a situation in another system where they or their love ones would be cast aside. They bash the US pharmaceutical industry where 99% of new molecules are discovered each year as a result of the incentive of financial reward.
 
Mike said:
I attended a medical conference a few weeks ago where the point was driven home by a speaker that modern models of universal health care found throughout the world are not only lacking, they are the height of inhumanity.

In the UK, patients 56 years or older are not deemed worthy or eligible for heart transplants. It is said that the socialized system only has so much funding, and the lives of people at this age is not valued at the cost of this life saving measure.

In the Netherlands, infants born at or under 2 pounds (or 1 kilogram) are given absolutely no life saving measures. Apparently again, they are not deemed worthy of the costs associated with the same procedures that an infant born at 2.5 pounds are.

This was at a conference conducted by the University of Michigan, so it's credibility strength is significant, however I haven't found a source online to support them. I made the decision to post this in case someone knows of these atrocities in government-sponsored systems. I will keep looking and report back whether or not I'm successful in finding sources.

Point is that whether these decisions are made due to limitations of government financial resources or something even more sinister, they are inhumane nonetheless. People are quick to bash the traditional privatized US healthcare system until they are touched by a situation in another system where they or their love ones would be cast aside. They bash the US pharmaceutical industry where 99% of new molecules are discovered each year as a result of the incentive of financial reward.
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What ,the gov't doesn't ration? Surprise it does. The va does it
 
Mike said:
I attended a medical conference a few weeks ago where the point was driven home by a speaker that modern models of universal health care found throughout the world are not only lacking, they are the height of inhumanity.

In the UK, patients 56 years or older are not deemed worthy or eligible for heart transplants. It is said that the socialized system only has so much funding, and the lives of people at this age is not valued at the cost of this life saving measure.

In the Netherlands, infants born at or under 2 pounds (or 1 kilogram) are given absolutely no life saving measures. Apparently again, they are not deemed worthy of the costs associated with the same procedures that an infant born at 2.5 pounds are.

This was at a conference conducted by the University of Michigan, so it's credibility strength is significant, however I haven't found a source online to support them. I made the decision to post this in case someone knows of these atrocities in government-sponsored systems. I will keep looking and report back whether or not I'm successful in finding sources.

Point is that whether these decisions are made due to limitations of government financial resources or something even more sinister, they are inhumane nonetheless. People are quick to bash the traditional privatized US healthcare system until they are touched by a situation in another system where they or their love ones would be cast aside. They bash the US pharmaceutical industry where 99% of new molecules are discovered each year as a result of the incentive of financial reward.
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Mike,

These articles highlight a similar emphasis of inhumanity to some vulnerable people in our societies and certain countries:
May you have a blessed Christmas: 'O Come All Ye Faithful'.

Oz
 
Some of the things going on in the Netherlands are appalling.

Mike said:
...the US pharmaceutical industry where 99% of new molecules are discovered each year as a result of the incentive of financial reward.
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Here's the thing. The bottom 50% of Americans can't afford to subsidize medical research for the entire world. Paying cash for expensive meds would just result in the less well to do skipping meds.

America is not a rich country. The top 10% are rich. The majority are just getting by. The bottom quarter not very well.

Unless there are safety net programs such as Medicaid and Medicare for the non rich, paying ten times as much for meds as the rest of the world would effectively deny many Americans meds. So the choices are to let the top 10% subsidize research through safety net programs, lower the price of meds to what the rest of the world pays, or deny meds to the non rich.
 
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Michael74 said:
Some of the things going on in the Netherlands are appalling.



Here's the thing. The bottom 50% of Americans can't afford to subsidize medical research for the entire world. Paying cash for expensive meds would just result in the less well to do skipping meds.

America is not a rich country. The top 10% are rich. The majority are just getting by. The bottom quarter not very well.

Unless there are safety net programs such as Medicaid and Medicare for the non rich, paying ten times as much for meds as the rest of the world would effectively deny many Americans meds. So the choices are to let the top 10% subsidize research through safety net programs, lower the price of meds to what the rest of the world pays, or deny meds to the non rich.
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Uhm government prices controls always the lowest prices.right .isn't that why aafes,is more expensive then walmart?
 
jasonc said:
Uhm government prices controls always the lowest prices.right .isn't that why aafes,is more expensive then walmart?
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Not always no. However, Americans are forbidden from importing meds from India and such. There is no free market in meds, like you can buy shirts made in India or China without a prescription. In Britain you can buy statins OTC inexpensively, and in Mexico people can get antibiotics OTC for a song. One man told how he got antibiotics for $3 while he was in Mexico. The pharmacist just looked him over, and gave the man pills. In the USA, a trip to a clinic or emergency room to get a prescription can cost thousands, then hundreds for the pills at a pharmacy.

American poor can afford to pay $3 cash like they do in Mexico, but not the thousands demanded of them in the USA.
 
Michael74 said:
Not always no. However, Americans are forbidden from importing meds from India and such. There is no free market in meds, like you can buy shirts made in India or China without a prescription. In Britain you can buy statins OTC inexpensively, and in Mexico people can get antibiotics OTC for a song. One man told how he got antibiotics for $3 while he was in Mexico. The pharmacist just looked him over, and gave the man pills. In the USA, a trip to a clinic or emergency room to get a prescription can cost thousands, then hundreds for the pills at a pharmacy.

American poor can afford to pay $3 cash like they do in Mexico, but not the thousands demanded of them in the USA.
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I never said we shouldn't allow foreign competition but the very thing you are complaining about is exactly the cause.govt trade blocks.let the foreign drug makers sell here.
 
jasonc said:
http://www.chloramine.org/chloraminefacts.htm
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Hi Jasonc, I have worked in the water treatment field for 40 years. One of the new treatments is taking salt water and disinfecting water by ion exchange and taking the Cl out of the salt as a natural element (salt = Sodium Chloride NaCl ) Gas Chlorine is produced in 3 different ways and produces several other chemicals like HTH, H2. Caustic Soda (NaOH). Almost every Chemical by product can be removed from treated drinking water by carbon filtration. You can buy them at Home Depot or Lowe's. I do not like the use of Fluoride. It was used in rat poison and it can accumulates in the body. The best, but most expensive disinfectant for water is ultra-violet light, but does not carry a residual like Cl2 does (Chlorine)...But without Chlorine in drinking water, water born disease would run rampant.
 
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