Even though possibly good advice Paul is the one giving instruction and judgement, not God, as he only says he has permission to speak. I would say this is Paul speaking and not Gods commandments.
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How exactly is Divorce without cause and remarriage NOT ADULTERY?
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Even though possibly good advice Paul is the one giving instruction and judgement, not God, as he only says he has permission to speak. I would say this is Paul speaking and not Gods commandments.
for_his_glory
Do you consider Cor to be the Word of God?
Do you consider Cor to be the Word of God?
chessman
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I asked and you quoted my question but you didn’t answer it; “In a mixed marriage, what bound/joined them together, God or the world?”
The answer is vitally important to the topic.
The answer is vitally important to the topic.
Okay, but it wasn’t really my question about v15. It’s fairly straightforward to make the Biblical case that it’s the unbeliever’s choice (either spouse, “brother or sister”) to depart or not. But I’m studying the word “bondage, KJV”. In a mixed marriage, who bound/joined them together? Simple question.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace
Okay, I do not disagree. But look closely at their bondage. Who bound them together in this mixed marriage scenario?
1 Corinthians Chapter7 seems not to be Gods word, but Paul's only as quoting what Paul said, " I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful." Paul was speaking for himself as answering that of what the Corinthian Church wrote to him.
Maybe the answer to that question is what does it mean for the martial becoming "one flesh "
Is it because God designed/created us male and female... so our parts fit
It just bugs me to read see and know Christians are searching for excuses to go (imo) against God's design/plan.
As a christian man would you teach "hey if the marriage doesn't work out here is how to get around these words of Jesus?
Mat_5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat_19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
chessman
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The word (in the KJV) is to depart her bondage. And my question is who bound them, God or the world?
Simple question with a simple answer directly from Scripture. Last time I’ll ask you though.
It bugs me too. Which is why I’m studying this closely, looking exactly at what the various Passages say and what respectable fellow students have to say about them.
What say you about v15; who bound an unbeliever to a believer in a mixed marriage, God or the world?
Northman
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1 Corinthians 7:10 is most assuredly from God, not Paul's opinion. Paul most definitely does give personal advice though in the passage, and the reason for it all is summed up in 1 Corinthians 7:35. In short, he advises, if possible, to remain single to be able to serve the Lord better(he says "without distraction").
Only in vs.10 and 11 as Paul speaks Gods command that a wife should not depart from her husband as I believe this would be not to leave with unjust cause, but yet Paul never addresses why, but proceeds with his opinions and judgements.
billybalke
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By doing what the passage says, of course.
Will you provide a definition of repentance?
Respectfully
chessman
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Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are sexual-immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, rages, selfish-interests, dissentions, factions, envy, drunkenness, revelries, and the things like these— as to which things I tell you beforehand, just as I said-before, that the ones practicing such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians 5:19-21&version=DLNTGood thing, “things like these”
are in fact the work of the flesh.Oh (almost forgot), and that no “flesh and blood” or it’s decay will be inheriting the kingdom of God huh?
Now I say this, brothers: that flesh and blood are not able to inherit the kingdom of God, nor does decay inherit undecayability.
1 Corinthians 15:50 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 15:50&version=DLNT
stovebolts
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Your skirting the question :-( I don't like that game Billy, I'm too old to play, and it's not conducive to an open discussion.
As far as what repentance is, as far as I can tell, it's stopping one behavior / thought that is against our created design and doing another which is in line with how God created us to live. By way of example, Paul tells us this.
Ephesians 4:24 And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Here are the examples of what repentance looks like according to Paul.
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
We see that it's not enough to stop what were doing, but we must start doing what we should be doing. In the case above, one is still a liar until he starts telling the truth.
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needs.
Here, we see that it's not enough to stop stealing. One must get a job and provide for those in need. This is what repentance looks like. We stop doing what is wrong, and do what is right, and there is a direct correlation IE Lies - telling truth. Stealing - giving etc, etc, etc.
Paul himself was probably one of the greatest examples where he once persecuted and murdered Christian, he became one of Christ's most vocal advocate as attested by his many writings.
John the Baptist also shows many examples of repentance to tax collectors etc.
Now, I have openly told you what my thoughts are on what repentance is, and how it's lived out. Do you have any more questions that you would like me to clear up before answering my questions to you?
Thank you. I find that as I focus more and more on God, my problems/concerns become less and less important. Maybe it's a sign that I am growing in my faith.WIP, It's all good between us. I feel for you what you are going through as it is hard. Sometimes I think mental abuse is worse than the physical as the physical will heal, but the mental always stays with. Personally I think it is between God and our self to seek Him on such matters and what to do. Not all things are found in scripture or even in the laws of what we are to do and this is what others do not realize.
We are no longer under the the Old Covenant, but under the New Covenant of God's grace, but still to follow the moral laws as we walk in the greatest law of love. In all things of the moral laws our content is to not walk in hate, but to walk in love and seek Gods counsel for the things we do not know how to handle. God wants to bless us and our joy remains in Him and not the thins of this world. I know He does not want us to be miserable in our situations and it is He alone that can tell us what to do. Seek Him for your situation and hear what He wants you to do regardless of what man says. You are in my prayers.
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Northman
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Well there are more. Verses 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 28, 32, 33, 34 and part of 39 are spoken of in other places of the Bible. He is using these precepts to establish his opinion/judgement.
It probably wasn't on his mind. Jesus gave the reason for a legal ground for divorce and Paul didn't need to explain it.
I think he gave fitting advice for the setting. This place was probably in almost upheaval in the spiritual sense. The mass conversions going on and other folks still following the pagan greek stuff. People were obviously so disturbed by the mis-matchings and strife caused due to it that Paul told them that if they can handle it, stay single. He also pointed out that if an unbelieving partner left the marriage to not worry about it. I think it's very important to note that he did distinguish that it had to be the non-believing partner that left. I also think, just from reading what he is saying, that believers were getting divorces just for the fact that their partners didn't believe. You can see in verses 12 and 13 he is sort of pleading.
LovethroughDove
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The scriptures are very clear what God says about remarriage if your spouse is not dead. Even if your spouse has died, God doesn't prefer you get married........but to live totally for him.
This scripture is for those who take his word serious.
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Example: I personally have been given revelation of what he wants for marriage. I will not deliberately go against it. Maybe there are those out there that haven't been given the knowledge of truth yet?
This scripture is for those who take his word serious.
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Example: I personally have been given revelation of what he wants for marriage. I will not deliberately go against it. Maybe there are those out there that haven't been given the knowledge of truth yet?