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Woe unto you brother, for suggesting the sabbath is not a day of rest.
Oh sorry, everyday is a day of rest now in Christ.

16> Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days –
17> these are only the shadow of the things to come, but the reality is Christ!
Colossians 2:16-17

What proves me to God? Love.
10> Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10

We are called to live a Holy life in purity, because we have been forgiven and cleansed.
Live in the way of Jesus and you show the fruit of salvation and His work in your heart, Amen

The bible speaks of only one Sabbath, the seventh day, and it is called The Lord's Sabbath. "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; Ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings" (Leviticus 23:3). There was no Christian or Jew when God instituted his Sabbath. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested..." (Genesis 2:3)

Amazing that you quote Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

How can a person quote that verse and keep hardly no laws, or no Sabbath days whatsoever, no High days which refers to the new moon, that Paul is talking about. Which includes all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the Ten Commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11: 1-47. Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).


Now let's stroll up to verse 8... Lets read it...2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Yep, like I said, Easter, which is coming up, Sunday worship, Christmas, etc. Got nothing to do with Christ.
 
The bible speaks of only one Sabbath, the seventh day, and it is called The Lord's Sabbath. "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; Ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings" (Leviticus 23:3). There was no Christian or Jew when God instituted his Sabbath. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested..." (Genesis 2:3)

Amazing that you quote Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

How can a person quote that verse and keep hardly no laws, or no Sabbath days whatsoever, no High days which refers to the new moon, that Paul is talking about. Which includes all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the Ten Commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11: 1-47. Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).


Now let's stroll up to verse 8... Lets read it...2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Yep, like I said, Easter, which is coming up, Sunday worship, Christmas, etc. Got nothing to do with Christ.

The weekly Sabbath is insignificant as it is only Points to the rest to come for the people of God.

Do you understand this.
 
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Again..."And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15- 16). Listen people! Baptism is a commandment or requirement for salvation. To reject baptism is death; so, why will you die? Every soul that is baptized honors God and every soul that rejects baptism dishonors God. "And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). People, if you are in a position to be baptized, why reject the counsel of God? Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20). Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16): Remember, before his crucifixion, Jesus told his disciples that his time (death) is not yet come; He also informed them that their time (death) can come at any moment. Brothers and sisters I beg of you, don't delay your baptism.

If we truly love God, then we will obey, “Every word" that proceeds out of the mouth of God, because we know that man shall not live by bread alone (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law.

You making excuses and adding a lot of your own words to the word of God, and not paying attention to what's written as you read it. You have to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation to understand, not just a few verses, here and there...look what Paul said in Galatians
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So if you have faith in Jesus then you will do it, plain and simple.


Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
(two different baptisms)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) 3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
(Jesus never baptized any one in water other then the his disciples)

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

(Belief comes first than the baptism of the Holy Spirit)

John 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

(Not actual water, but living water as in living word, John 4:10; 7:38; 1John 5:6; Jeremiah 2:13; Isaiah 55:1-3. If it was water why didn't Jesus baptize Nicodemus water.)

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

(Works do not save us nor being dunked in water)
 
It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and you deny him by saying
the Sabbath-keeping nonsense, or
I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. Paul said in (Gal. 6:3-5, 7) (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

We are saved by grace, not by works so that no one can boast.
I think you should live the theology you carve out for yourself through cutting scriptures to fit that design. However, you are not qualified to preach to me. I follow Christ. I am under grace not under law.
Selah,
 
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
(two different baptisms)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) 3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
(Jesus never baptized any one in water other then the his disciples)

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

(Belief comes first than the baptism of the Holy Spirit)

John 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

(Not actual water, but living water as in living word, John 4:10; 7:38; 1John 5:6; Jeremiah 2:13; Isaiah 55:1-3. If it was water why didn't Jesus baptize Nicodemus water.)

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

(Works do not save us nor being dunked in water)

Belief comes from doing what thus said the Lord. Theres only one baptism.
All have sinned (broken the law...I John 3:4) and the
wages of sin is death. When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12).

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins.
"And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16): After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood. That's what Paul is saying in Ephesians 2:8

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the Ten Commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11: 1-47. Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).
 
We are saved by grace, not by works so that no one can boast.
I think you should live the theology you carve out for yourself through cutting scriptures to fit that design. However, you are not qualified to preach to me. I follow Christ. I am under grace not under law.
Selah,

You don't understand what you quoting when Paul talks about being under grace not under the law. But I guarantee you understand this Law Paul talks about in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. Which mean we can do as we please when we please!


People we must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live. (Rom. 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. If there is no law, there is no sin! (1Cor. 14:37) If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Paul didn’t come preaching and teaching his own thing, but he abided in the doctrine of Christ. (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. But does this make the law void? God forbid. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
 
You don't understand what you quoting when Paul talks about being under grace not under the law. But I guarantee you understand this Law Paul talks about in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. Which mean we can do as we please when we please!


People we must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live. (Rom. 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. If there is no law, there is no sin! (1Cor. 14:37) If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Paul didn’t come preaching and teaching his own thing, but he abided in the doctrine of Christ. (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. But does this make the law void? God forbid. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.
Yes, well, you have a good day now. Hear?
 
Belief comes from doing what thus said the Lord. Theres only one baptism.
All have sinned (broken the law...I John 3:4) and the
wages of sin is death. When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12).

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins.
"And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16): After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood. That's what Paul is saying in Ephesians 2:8

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the Ten Commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11: 1-47. Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

Yes, the water only signifies the washing away of sin as an outward appearance that we have repented first as this is what John's baptism was for as one repented first and then dunked. Only the blood of Christ covers us and takes away our sin. It's only by Gods grace through faith that we are saved. There are no works involved with our salvation as grace is a free gift from God, but only after to continue in the good works Christ has started, Matthew 25:34-40; James 1:27.

We are to obey Gods laws, but only that of the moral laws He has given to both Jew and Gentile.
There are laws (commandments) that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants, vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures, injuries and damages, property and property rights, Criminal laws, prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God that we present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us as a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.
 
You speaking of Hebrews 4:11?

There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9

This will Be when Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, where the wicked will be removed and the righteous will receive an immortal body that will not die anymore, and we will reign with Him on earth for 1000 years.

This will be the 7000th year, or 7th prophetic day.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4


  • they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


JLB
 
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9

This will Be when Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, where the wicked will be removed and the righteous will receive an immortal body that will not die anymore, and we will reign with Him on earth for 1000 years.

This will be the 7000th year, or 7th prophetic day.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4


  • they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


JLB


I agree, but its not a rapture it's the first resurrection. Not all the wicket will be remove, but not like it is in this world. Lets continue where you left off in Revelation 20: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here is the wicket part...

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
Yes, the water only signifies the washing away of sin as an outward appearance that we have repented first as this is what John's baptism was for as one repented first and then dunked. Only the blood of Christ covers us and takes away our sin. It's only by Gods grace through faith that we are saved. There are no works involved with our salvation as grace is a free gift from God, but only after to continue in the good works Christ has started, Matthew 25:34-40; James 1:27.

We are to obey Gods laws, but only that of the moral laws He has given to both Jew and Gentile.
There are laws (commandments) that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants, vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures, injuries and damages, property and property rights, Criminal laws, prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God that we present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us as a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.



Pay close attention to what Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. Paul said in Hebrews 10:
(v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you.
(v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
 
I agree, but its not a rapture it's the first resurrection. Not all the wicket will be remove, but not like it is in this world. Lets continue where you left off in Revelation 20: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Jesus will return once, to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the antichrist.

This all occurs at His coming, when He appears and every eye will see Him.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2 1:8


again


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive andremain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17



  • Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.



JLB
 
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9

This will Be when Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, where the wicked will be removed and the righteous will receive an immortal body that will not die anymore, and we will reign with Him on earth for 1000 years.

This will be the 7000th year, or 7th prophetic day.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4


  • they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


JLB
Peter 3:8 is in regard to a
I agree, but its not a rapture it's the first resurrection. Not all the wicket will be remove, but not like it is in this world. Lets continue where you left off in Revelation 20: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here is the wicket part...

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Just focus on what was clearly understood and taught about "the" resurrection then read Rev 20. It would be on the last day. Jesus would send out His angels to gather His elect from the ends of the heavens (The resurrection of us ALL) It will be a bodily resurrection in new bodies not of the dust of the earth. Those elect left alive on that last day will be caught up to the Lord so that they also can be clothed with immortality as flesh and blood can't inherit eternity. Again on that last day. Therefore those not raised on that day (1st Resurrection ) in Rev must be those who suffer.
 
Lets go into (Heb.11: 1-2, 7, 17, 24-26, 31, 35, 39-40) (v.1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (v.2) For by it the elders obtained a good report. Now by the elder’s faith (belief) in God they obtained a good report. But how did theses elders show God that they had faith (belief) in him? Let’s take a look at some of them. (v.7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness, which is by faith. How did Noah prove to God that he had faith in him? By his works! Noah moved with faith and fear and began preparing the ark. (v.17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Now here is the father of the faithful, and how did he show God the he had faith in him? By his works! The Lord God told Abraham to go and sacrifice his son, his only son. And Abraham’s faith was so strong that he was seconds’ way from killing his only son when the angel of the Lord stopped him, now that’s truly fruits of faith. (v.24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; (v.25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; (v.26) Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward.

Moses knew who he was once he became of age unlike the movie would have you to believe. How did Moses show his faith? By his works! But through faith he chose to suffer affliction with the people of God rather than enjoy the pleasures of sin by continuing to allow himself to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter: esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt. You see Moses knew exactly whom he was dealing with, and it’s best that you learn that the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament and his name is Jesus. (v.31) By faith the harlot Ra’-hab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. The Harlot Ra’- hab showed her faith in God by her works! She hid the spies sent by Joshua, and the Lord blessed her and her family by saving them when he took down the city of Jericho. (v.35) Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: How strong is your faith, will you endure affliction, torture, imprisonment, stoning, and even die for the word of God? These people showed their faith in God by their works, not accepting deliverance because they were looking for a better resurrection. What’s a better resurrection? The first resurrection is a better resurrection because if you are raised in the first resurrection you will not be judged; you will be doing the judging. But all of these people we just read about showed you fruits of faith they showed you works. (v.39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: They received a good report through faith. But how did they show their faith (belief) in God? By their works, and they all died with a good report having not received the promise. (v.40) God having provided some better things for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Everybody that has a better resurrection coming will receive it at the same time. That’s why it says that they without us will not be made perfect. Who is perfect? God is perfect. God is recreating God. That’s another lesson for another time.
Which commandments? If you keep Jesus's commandment to love as HE has loved you are in fulfillment of the commandments.

A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’a

21“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

He lacked Jesus. And the commandments that cause harm, deceit in court or, illwill towards others are still important. They can be kept as well as abstaining from sexual immorality. But even so you still need Jesus for eternal life. So that the guilt of ones own sin doesn't remain on the head of the one who commits sin. The forgiveness and removal of sin is found in Jesus as that is the condition the Father has set the one who sent Jesus so people may not die but have eternal life. People are judged because they rejected Jesus they are judged according to what they have done. Their guilt remains because they rejected the forgiveness of sin found in Jesus. And they refused to repent. As everyone who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free. No slave has a permanent place in a family but a son remains forever.

Zacchaeus a chief Tax Collector enters the kingdom of God by faith in Jesus and spirit to stop doing wrong and start doing right (repentance) Jesus stated of Him a sign of salvation. A sincere faith.

But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

The law demanded stoning for this women but the law came by Moses and grace and truth came by Jesus.
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

gal 3:2 doesn't mean we are free to continue to sin but it does mean salvation is by grace alone the gift of God of God is freely given as what God gives He gives freely but what one earns from man they might have to work hard for.
Gal 3:2 NIVI would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
Col 2 niv
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made youd alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.e

Freedom From Human Rules

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 1

Like I said commands in regard to harm, illwill towards others are a violation of Jesus's command to love one another as He has loved. If you follow Jesus's command you are keeping the commandments. Like the man on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus came into His Kingdom the forgiveness of sin can't be earned by works or bought by money it is by grace alone.

And about grace. Gal 2:21 NIV
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
 
Which commandments? If you keep Jesus's commandment to love as HE has loved you are in fulfillment of the commandments.

If you steal from someone is that love or hate?

Murder, adultery, .....
 
If you steal from someone is that love or hate?

Murder, adultery, .....
harm to another via taking their property is certainly not loving them and is still considered a sin. Satan was called a liar, a murderer and a "thief" Judas was called a "thief"
 
Works -a drink of water _ I believe those who have the love of Christ in them have works. But don't work to earn their salvation
And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward."
 
Pay close attention to what Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

Where does it mention being dunked in water as it is you that is adding to the scripture. I have showed you many times the difference between Jon's baptism after one repents and that of Christ baptism which is for receiving the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Again, what about those who are incapable of being immersed in water. Does that mean they are not saved, or that God makes special provision for them to be saved, think about that.

Never said we no longer have to keep His commandments, but you are making water baptism and act of working for our salvation when it is a free gift of God by his grace through faith to all who will believe, not to all who are dunked in water.
 
After 3 pages of debate on the merits of keeping the Law, you have convinced me that I should become a Jehovah's Witness ... so expect me to be knocking on your door one day soon!

[OK, not really. I am just going to take my chances sticking with the grace of Jesus Christ.]

John 3:16-21 NASB
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

Ephesians 2:1-10 NASB

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Some of you people are more than a little scary.
 
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