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its hard for me to bel;ieve that it all comes down to who has the proper christology, something Jesus spent little time teaching and Christians dont even agree on. im not a big fan of constintine but one of the few things e said that i agree with is he didnt understand why the Christians...

IMO "through Jesus" means doing things the way Jesus did things. you can live anywhere and do that. from the earliest days its always been "follow Jesus" its never been call yourself a follow of Jesus.

for the most part i like Paul. the biggest reason i like him is the fact that he was not one of the 12 yet his works are considered scripture. there used to be other works like Paul, Clement, Hermas, etc, they were accepted as scripture until rome came along and condemed them, they didnt make it...

ok but i am not talking about mysterious ways of the Lord, im talking about the bible and the bible is not supposed to be a mystery, its written for instruction. i thought Paul said in 2 Tim 1 15 that all in Asia deserted him. what did he mean when he said that?

i have always been on the fence with Paul. if you look at Paul from a non bias view there are a lot of red flags. he gets rejected from the church in asia and then you have Jesus telling the church good job for rejecting false teachers. Jesus said the false teacher was a liar, the DSS refers to...

I am not aware of any passages that says an innocent person will be punished in hell. where are these passages? there is nothing close to this in the passages you quoted. "Jesus is the way" means innocent people get punished in hell? how do you get that from that passage? a person that rejects...

not talking about those that continue to break the law. im talking about someone that broke the law, regretted, and asked for forgiveness.

I dont know about that: Psalm 109:7 indicates that someones sins can be so bad that even his prayers become a sin. At John 19:11 Jesus says that the sin of Judas was greater than the sin of Pilate. Number 15:30 makes it clear that willful deliberate sin is worse than someone who sins out of...

you really think they are the same? a kid that steals a cookie is the exact same as a child rapist serial killer? who taught you this?

but you said the word of our Lord is already there from beginning to end, what are missionaries gonna tell them that they dont already know?

i never tried to suggest there were perfect people out there that never make a mistake. i even gave examples of a few mistakes becasue i didnt want to get into the whole sin nature discussion because that was not the point. let me try it a different way. you have one person, they lie to their...

so after Jesus there was no need to send missionaries anywhere because they already knew?

this isnt what i asked, these examples you give are people going to hell and they are punished for wrongdoing, wickedness, etc. im asking about someone that does nothing wrong, i know no one is perfect so lets say for arguments sake that the person in question lied to their parents and cheated...

if someone never hears of Jesus, they die, then punished in hell forever and ever. please explain to me what they are being punished for?

someone that proclaims they reject Jesus and all that He taught is not the same as someone that has never heard of Jesus or His teachings.

i agree, there are many passages of how our words can defile us. telling someone to burn families house down maybe, or the mega church money preachers that teach the more money you give the church the more the Lord loves you. the point i was making is the difference between saying your a good...

yes that kinda supports what i have always believed, you notice in the middle the phrase "doers of the law" this was a key point in what the early church believed. when Jesus was critical of the pharisees, it wasnt their teaching, it was their works, "they teach but did not practice". your...

Jesus is for sure the only way, the problem with this passage is so many hear it and assume this means calling yourself "Christian" is the way. there are mega church money prachers that call themselves Christian, i wouldnt want to be them in the next life. IMO the way of Jesus is living the way...

with respect, im here for discussion.

i think in the Hebrew elohim had the same meaning as todays usage of god. god has different meanings today, but we use big "G" and little "g" to indicate if we are talking about the Most High or god as in an angel or beings that the nations prayed to. they way i understand it is there is only...