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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    Aren't you the one who removed one of my posts for being critical of a poster? Kind of hypocritical don't you think? Aren't you the guy who didn't even know that Melchizedek was a New Testament doctrine . . . the guy who cannot discern that there are two separate harvests in Revelation 14?
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    "Behold, the Lord came with MANY THOUSANDS of His holy ones to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him." Jude 14, 15
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    But Messiah has come already here in Revelation 14 just as it prophecied since the time of Enoc (Jude 1:14), landing right on Mt Zion, just as the angels foretold the disciples in Acts 1:11 together with His Holy Ones (the 144,000). Revelation 19 is not the second coming, it is the fulfillment...
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    Revelation 14:1 - "Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand"
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    The wine is in reference to the second harvest in Rev 17-20. The first harvest in Rev 14:14-16 is the wheat harvest Messiah is speaking of in Matthew 13:24-30
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    We see Messiah return to Mt Zion in Revelation 14:1 with His Holy Ones - Job 5:1, Ps. 89:5 & 7, Dan. 4:13 & 8:13, Matt. 24:31, & 25:31 and Jude 14” And we see the destruction of the antichrist in Revelation 13 All of this before the rapture of Revelation 14:14-16
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    Joel 3:13 is only referring to the harvest of the grapes! There are 2 (two) harvests in Revelation 14:14-20
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    There are two separate harvests here in Revelation 14:14-20, hawkman. After Messiah has returned to earth in Rev 14:1 for his second coming, together with the 144,000; and the antichrist has made his appearance in Revelation 13, it is time for the rapture. Revelation 14:14-20 is the wheat and...
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    The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

    Those who hold the pre-tribulation rapture position, usually site 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" But this verse cannot possibly refer to Christians suffering here on earth, because Christians have been...
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    Who were the 144,000

    You have asked this question already and I said yes - yes I have had visions from God. And I was completely transported in the spirit. But still not the point! This is the description of being caught up in the spirit within the scripture. John is called up into Heaven by the glorified Messiah in...
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    Who were the 144,000

    It doesn't matter where his physical body is, John's mind and vision are in Heaven and his vantage point is from that perspective.
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    The Heavenly Tabernacle

    You should be able to zoom in to see the text - can you not do this?
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    The Heavenly Tabernacle

    For those interested in the topic of The Heavenly Tabernacle, I've put a mindmap together of many of the verses on the following sub-topics: - Messiah and the Earthly Temple - Ecclesia's destiny is the Tabernacle - Elements of Temple / Tabernacle in Revelation - 10 Celebrations of Worship in...
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    Who were the 144,000

    Yes, I have been transported "in the spirit"
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    Who were the 144,000

    John sees the angels at the 4 corners of the earth because he is in Heaven! The dialogue that then transpires between these angels at the 4 corners of the earth and the angel that commanded them was clearly in Heaven because the angel that had commanded them ascended from the rising of the sun...
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    Who were the 144,000

    Like the righteous who were sealed in Ezekiel 8 & 9, they are sealed to protect them from God's wrath - Rev 7:3
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    Who were the 144,000

    No, not saying that
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    Who were the 144,000

    Well, we know the narrator John is in Heaven - Rev 4:1 We know that the great multitude which no one could count is in Heaven - 7:14 We know that the angels who were standing around the throne and the elders are in Heaven - Rev 7:11 And . . . we know that God on His Thrown is in Heaven - Rev...
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    Who were the 144,000

    The 144,000 may have been tasked with evangelizing the earth, but there is nothing in the text of Revelation that would suggest this. Certainly, there is no literary tie between the 144,000 and the multitudes of saints that came out of the Tribulation in Revelation 7:9, 10. Both of these groups...
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    The Heavenly Tabernacle

    I understand - I was indifferent for many years in my walk with Messiah. But the Book of Revelation is the only book in scripture that promises blessing (Revelation 1:3) "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the...
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