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Robert. Scripture does not say that if you are not born again you go to hell. What it does say is that unless you are born again you cannot enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:5). This is probably the most fundamental verse in all of scripture that prescribes the absolute criteria for anyone to...

Yes ... a few from the NT - for which there is a very good reason. What about the ones that are 'all throughout scripture'?

I'd be interested to see where all these scriptures are ..

Scripture says that the Spirit gives birth to spirit. ie the Spirit of God gives birth to the spirit of man. If this is so, then surely it is only those who are born of the Spirit who are 'triune' beings.

I'd like to test the water on the subject of salvation since for me it is key to understanding what salvation is, and therefore whether or not, it is possible to lose it. Since Jesus said that no one can see or enter the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again, a notion that was...

Yes, I am aware of that but I don't understand what that has to do with the op. Was it relevant or was it just a side note? Whether relevant or not I don't see any scriptural support for your opinion on Pharaoh's 'judgment'. And on the topic of predestination to hell, most, I believe, totally...

The question was in post 65. You then went on to ask if I believed that Pharaoh was predestined to hell. Am I missing something or should I ask what your point is/was. Thanks

Hey JLB. How are you going on the Pharaoh question?

No, if by 'hell', you are meaning a place of eternal punishment ... but probably for a different reason than you.

Thanks JLB. Yes, I appreciate it was a response to Reba. I came into the thread late, read it and while I hold a different opinion, wondered how it relates to the Op. What does Pharaoh have to do with the possibility of a Christian losing their salvation ... in your opinion? Thanks

Hey JLB. Doesn't look like you have responded to my last post. It referred to an earlier post of yours regarding Pharaoh and I'd like to understand what you were meaning by it. Thanks

So what was it you were saying about Pharaoh then?

So what are you saying JLB? That Pharaoh was granted eternal life outside of Christ?

I don’t believe it is possible to ‘do’ the will of God unless one is child of God, ie born of the Spirit of God. So for me, man does not ‘do’ the will of God, in order to ‘be’ saved or ‘be’ in relationship with God. He is born of God and therefore the fruit of his life is to do the will of God.

The question I would ask is, what scriptural support is there for 'accepting Jesus as your saviour'?

I guess, that the phrase 'true Christian' would indicate that the person asking the question considers that there are also un-true Christians. How would you then define a 'true Christian'?

Netchaplain, I'm interested to hear your thoughts since the last post. And also a question regarding your beliefs. Are you saying that the unpardonable sin is a 'one-time-only' confession of the mouth / heart that can never be revoked?

When God's Spirit gives birth to man's spirit, man becomes a son of God. Is there anything that can change that relationship?

I thought they killed Jesus because he claimed that God was his father - not that he claimed to be God himself.

Beyond arguing the concept itself, what I am looking for is the origin of the phrase, 'God begets God' which you have used. Obviously, the phrase itself is not scriptural so it must be attributed to someone, some doctrine, creed or ...? Are you able to point to it to aid my understanding of...