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  1. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Well said Roger, Jesus was kind to make provision for us to be saved, nothing any we do enables us to be saved. God says without me ye can do nothing. The title of this thread is doing the works , but which works? And why do we do works? And which works do we do? The scriptures tell us that...
  2. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    I see, help me out, am I going about using faith wrong than? Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, This prayer promise is quoted as it reads, yet a child like faith can quote the prayer as he remembers, the Lord will answer you all the same, you do not have to quote the Hebrew words...
  3. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    I give you another example, at work I often sin by speaking my own words from the Master Self inside me. Sometimes I remember and stop and ask Lord control my tongue, your words, not mine, and sometimes I sense a whole different communion with my work mates as we discuss the matters of God in...
  4. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    I am only a child learning how to do faith at increasing levels of wonders from Jesus, so I do not have all the answers you seek. The woman prayed the prayer promise in her mind, in fact the word pray is simply a term for talking to God, though it also means the more formal prayers on your knees...
  5. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Nice verse Roger, only the HS can unlock the mysteries of Bible poetry.... it's hidden for a reason, to grant joy to the ones who dig out the treasures after a thorough searching. SHalom
  6. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Nice try Roger, well researched.... but this is latter rain torah, not the former rain torah, where the Bible first started. Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. The priests were...
  7. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    You mean in the context of amanuah? Mr 5:7 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed...
  8. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    I see, Roger, tell me where does the Scripture tell you how to study the Scriptures, and it lists seven points all found in one passage across several chapters? I would begin there before I take a single verse and read into it what message you want to read....Do you know of such a place? Surely...
  9. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    I dunno, one cannot answer all things, perhaps the Father knows all things and reads the future we do not know ourselves? That doesn't remove the invitation all are invited to the wedding feast, only that the Father knows already those which are willing to come. Shalom
  10. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    My friend, I understand your concern about the hidden nature of the Scriptures. So the disciples went to Jesus and asked Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in other places Isa 28:11 For with...
  11. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Sorry maybe I speak too much and now I am getting proud. We all have our experiences in life and I value yours and your advice as well. As for the meaning of Amanuah, The Jews speak this word as Emanuh, and I am not sure why, neither do they understand the root word which is "man", the Greek...
  12. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Yes Roger, when you partnership to Jesus and his power flows through you, the works achieved are your works in Christ, but one needs to be careful of your boasting and pride. Sure when we grow things in our garden, and are a helpmate to God, we cannot say, we grow the plants and make their...
  13. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Well said Dorothy, I learned a valuable lesson the other day about Salvation and the condition of our attitude towards Salvation. Salvation is conditionally given to us daily, as we forgive others, Jesus forgives us. Such a theme is written in the parable of the unforgiving servant. God...
  14. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Not sure? Please explain, what does obedience mean to you? A Bible text would also be nice. Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye...
  15. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Rogerg Said" The basis of my understanding is that true faith has at its core, works, yet a person's works cannot save them. Therefore, the faith that saves cannot be theirs. yes correct, but that does mean the faith has no value, the works we allow to be achieved through us are Christ's works...
  16. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Yes good works can be done even by atheist's as you say. Jas 2:19 the devils also "use faith", and tremble. The fact is the devil also has a system of faith, Harry Potter promoted this idea on TV much. The fact is many humans can achieve good works using human powers. Paul uses this term...
  17. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Not sure I follow you, so I will provide an example of your obedience and my speaking the words in the right attitude of prayer: Here is a few prayer promises of faith " Mt 6:22 Keep my eye single, And Ex 20:14 No adultery. These two prayer promises ( based on obedience to the law, and...
  18. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    The study is Bible based, in fact it looks up a huge selection of words using faith, did you read the study or make a hasty conclusion? In Ancient Hebrew, the word faith means " The strong flow over the nations from the Divine Being" So sure the substance is hoped for but not seen. Heb 11:1...
  19. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    http://spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm This is my understanding of what Faith is and how you get more faith each day. In Ancient Hebrew the word means "The strong flow over the nations from the Divine Being" The way you get this flow is simply by speaking his words in the right attitude of...
  20. rthom7

    Why Do Christians Argue Against Works?

    Have a read of what faith is in action, and tell me if you can do works of faith in Jesus, any child can, and it's so easy.... http://spiritualsprings.org/ss-81.htm This is simple prayer in faith, ask Jesus to wake you for worship at specific times. Some have their are as many as 3000+...
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