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  1. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Hello again Mike, I don't really see how I can continue having a good discussion here and be able to ask the questions I need to ask without occasionally breaking the rules. So with that may I just say thank you very much for the opportunity to discuss what I have discussed. I have enjoyed it...
  2. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    I'm not sure I can find any verses in Scripture where the least offensive vs the most offensive are clearly defined. Why do you need to know? Has it not been made obvious that there have been many kinds of lost souls, atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, humanists, prostitutes and whoremongers...
  3. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Sorry but I don't recall telling you what you do or do not believe. I do know however, that I definitely told you “You don't have to believe it”, in other words, I told you that you didn't have to believe what I wrote regarding Genesis 2:17. Read the first 3 paragraphs of post #113 again and...
  4. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    God told Adam "in the day that you eat of it you will surely die". You don't have to believe it, but that is what God told Adam would happen and that is what happened: Through valuing his own desire to know good and evil above his Father’s warning, the pure and innocent spirit of humility and...
  5. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Can you see that to cause or allow any suffering beyond what is necessary for the eternal safety of creation would be as offensive to the God of love and reason as it would be alien to reason and love?
  6. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    I googled the meaning of spirit and came up with this, “the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character”, which I suppose is as good a way as any for describing how I see the spirit of man. Let me explain more of what I meant then when I said “Adam gave in to...
  7. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    So am I right in thinking that you agree with the following? In Genesis 3:19 we can see what God said after Adam gave in to Satan’s temptation and died spiritually on the day he valued his desire to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil above his Father’s warning: “By the sweat of...
  8. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    I see again that you chose not to include the previous verses 50 and 51 which do help to explain more of what the apostle Paul was saying to the church at Corinth: 50 “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”...
  9. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Free, do you or do you not believe man was born with an immortal soul? Let me try and explain again what I see: Man was made mortal with the ability to acquire immortality through knowing God and His goodness. In the beginning Adam was made mortal with the ability to acquire immortality by...
  10. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    If evil came into existence once when a free and perfect angel through pride – a high or inordinate opinion of one’s own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, decided he no longer cared to live for truth and love, then with no remedial action such a rebellion could, over the course of...
  11. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    That depends on what God decides. I can only say that I believe those who are saved and who know God well will be made conscious again immediately or soon after they die, but not necessarily all of the saved. Many others might well remain unconscious until the second coming. Like I said, it...
  12. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Please read the message referring to Romans 1:19-20 KJV, posted here Feb 20, 2017 #57 and then think on the extreme cases where those who will be judged incapable of becoming trusted servants of God and creation who from their birth were deceived and indoctrinated, seduced, threatened or beaten...
  13. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    ...Continued from previous page ...and I also see you are using Daniel 12:2 ESV as part of your evidence to prove there will be everlasting torment for all of the condemned. “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and...
  14. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    I believe this is infinitely better: Causing or allowing any suffering beyond what is necessary for the eternal safety of creation would be as offensive to the God of love and reason as it would be alien to reason and love. I see you are using Luke 12:45-48 ESV as part of your evidence to...
  15. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    ...and what is more, there isn't a single good reason (biblical or moral) why we should believe in the idea that man was born with an immortal soul. Neither then is there a good reason to believe the least knowledgeable and least offensive of condemned souls, even the most backward or least...
  16. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    To cause or allow any suffering beyond what is necessary for the eternal safety of creation would be as offensive to God as it would be alien to reason and love.
  17. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Revelation 20:12-15… “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were...
  18. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Like I explained on Monday, The apostle Paul himself also explained that before God moved upon him, his ignorance of God was so great that he began working to destroy God's church 1 Timothy 1:13. Acts 22:4 NIV tells us that he actually “persecuted the followers of this Way to their death...
  19. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    Notice also please, the most evil of them who were given knowledge and understanding of the truth and despised and hated the good so clearly revealed through Jesus Christ, and sought only to keep fulfilling their depraved desires to seduce and corrupt, torture and destroy whoever or whatever...
  20. freewill

    Summing up “the soul of man”

    This part of Revelation is I believe another reference to the great tribulation during the end times when all on earth who are consciously aware during that time will come to know the truth and will be seen either to knowingly submit to pure evil or submit only to God. All who submit to God will...
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