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Godliness is only produced in the life in so far as the Lord Jesus is known. The introduction to Him personally, which produces a sense of reverence, effects in me that manner and way to which He is entitled; for as I am in the sense of reverence, I yield myself to Him, and necessarily I drop the old man which has been crucified in the judgment of the Cross.

Beholding the Lord Jesus has a conforming effect upon me, not as an exaction or claim (law), but because the new nature (life) which I have answers to Him (2 Cor 3:18). God’s Man, the only Mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus, so rivets and fixes my heart that I distinctly retire from that which is unapproved of in the presence of Him who so peculiarly affects and controls me.

God has not only come into my state, but He has been glorified in it, where I have sinned and failed so grievously. Hence as I am consciously before Him, as I know Him, I consequently abandon (nay, hate) the life for which He suffered and died here. As my soul is filled with this blessed One, my whole being becomes expressive of His influence and claims, and there is about me a subjection and a yielding to Him.

It is not that I am expending any effort to conform myself, but the knowledge of what and who the Lord Jesus is shapes me by the Spirit; for I covet correspondence to Him, and I increasingly have it, not only the form of godliness, but the practical reality of it. A godly man is one truly influenced and controlled by the presence of the Lord Jesus as known by the Holy Spirit, and this of course produces a manner and character as to everything which is the fruit of godliness, for “godliness is profitable in all things” (1 Tim 4:8).

When the Lord Jesus is the Object before the soul, man is shaped by the power of His presence in true subjection to Him; but when man is the object, there is necessarily a maintenance of the old man, whatever restraints, such as the law or ritualism, may be imposed. Actually, the more a man can submit to such imposition, the more the old life is established in its own power, and of course in increased opposition to God, for the natural mind is enmity against God (Rom 8:7).

In the Reformation there was, through grace, a great deliverance. The groundwork of Christianity was recovered; namely, justification by faith. Justification, not by woks, but by the Lord Jesus outside of oneself, was avowed and insisted on, and the maintenance of this is Christianity. But though this was recovered at the Reformation, it was not seen nor maintained that the old man was crucified in the Cross, and hence they only refused the exactions of Popery, but recognized the old man as still before God.

Refusing the exaction was right; but the retention of that on which the exaction could be made, the old man, was and still is the crippling weakness of the Reformation.

In not seeing this, the Reformers left the door open for the legal system and ritualism which have grown up since in the church; and hence the simple and only effectual way of dealing with either is, at the start, to refuse any place to the old man except crucifixion (Rom 6:6). When I have sinned, there is no room for any kind of legalism or ritualism, but the presence of the Lord Jesus produces in me that which far exceeds all that any form could produce. Then it is, “Christ liveth in me.”

- J B Stoney



Excerpt from MJS devotional for 11-15: CONTRASTING HEARTS

“THE LORD IS VERY PITIFUL, AND OF TENDER MERCY” (JAMES 5:11).

There are two hearts that we learn in the process of suffering: our own sinful heart, and our Father’s loving heart.

“There is a Divine mystery in suffering, a strange and supernatural power in it, which has never been fathomed by human reason. There never has been known great saintliness of soul which did not pass through great suffering. When the suffering soul reaches a calm sweet carelessness, when it can inwardly smile at its own suffering, and does not even ask the Father to deliver it from suffering, then it has wrought its blessed ministry; then patience has its perfect work; then the crucifixion begins to weave itself into a crown.” -T.W.
http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
According as his divine power has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who has called us to glory and virtue:
2 peter 1:3
 
Hebrews 10:16 KJV
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Dual placement / Dual purpose (IMHO).

So Great
1. In the heart:
We are convinced of our sin. The dominion of sin may decrease and his work may increase. This is the soul / flesh area. At the last trump the mortality will put on. Immortality,

2. In the mind:
We are convinced of Jesus work in securing eternal life for us. Great and wonderful promises are believed.
So:
Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ which our Lord. So then with the mind I myself up serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

So post 1&2 are true in their area.
It is really hard to not lump the mind and flesh together. God was smart enogh to to say I will put my law in two areas. Finding out which area a passage is talking about is a challenge. Some groups will stone you if you speak as I have.

Being a new creation has dealt with the dominion of sin, but not erased every sin in our life.

Where did I put my helmet of salvation? The rocks might fly.

So I have agreed with the first two posts.

eddif
 
Being a new creation has dealt with the dominion of sin, but not erased every sin in our life.
Hi Ed and thanks for your reply and comments! I believe all sin in the believer's life is dealt with at rebirth because He takes all of it into account at that time, since scripture does not declare any other manner.

God bless!
 
Hi Ed and thanks for your reply and comments! I believe all sin in the believer's life is dealt with at rebirth because He takes all of it into account at that time, since scripture does not declare any other manner.

God bless!
I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Scripture(?) is it not?

If we were totally changed now, how will we still see change at the resurrection?

eddif
 
I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Scripture(?) is it not?

If we were totally changed now, how will we still see change at the resurrection?

eddif
we are changed here a new creation new spiritual being
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
will be a new spiritual body imo
1st Corinthians 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. that is the ultimate change
 
we are changed here a new creation new spiritual being will be a new spiritual body imo
1st Corinthians 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. that is the ultimate change
The resurrection is not already passed.

eddif
 
never said it was.. future Resurrection It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
Romans 7:25
We are dealing with flesh and mind before the resurrection.

My mind is seated in heavenly places with Christ.

I just drag this body of death with me now. Benefits yes, but I can not say totally as will be then.

eddif
 
I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Scripture(?) is it not?

If we were totally changed now, how will we still see change at the resurrection?

eddif
It appears we are not discussing the same issue. I was addressing sin but I think you are addressing the first resurrection.
 
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