Bible Study “Raised With Him”

[Nathan]

The reign of Christ is explicitly stated by Jesus in clear language. HE said He had, at that moment, already received all authority in heaven and earth. That is a very clear statement of the meaning of the word "reign."

The binding of Satan in the pit is part of an ecstatic, apocalyptic vision which John has rendered into human language as best he could. It is NOT an explicit statement and is open to a wide range of interpretation.

So, again, I decline the invitation to speculate as to the precise meaning of that passage.

iakov the fool

I guess I don't understand how the ressurection is not hard to describe, but the binding of satan is?

 

[netchaplain]

I guess I don't understand how the ressurection is not hard to describe, but the binding of satan is?

I see your meaning because the time Satan will be bound is during the same time (thousand year span) of the Millennium--Christ's and His Body's earthly reign of this present earth.

 

[Nathan]

I see your meaning because the time Satan will be bound is during the same time (thousand year span) of the Millennium--Christ's and His Body's earthly reign of this present earth.

Yea, I guess the other belief is what they call allmillenial? Not sure of spelling.

 

[netchaplain]

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism

 

[Chopper]

Thanks Chaplain. It's threads like this that causes my gaze to cement on the New Jerusalem where I'll live with my Lord for ever. I needed this review more than ever. Old age is creeping up on me and though I've been in bed most of the day hurting, Your comments lifted my spirits. Thank you.

 

[Nathan]

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism

Thanks. What's interesting is that I probably am closer to this view than traditional premillennialism, but I can't see how they reconcile the passages in Thessalonians.

In fact, it seems the very thing Paul was speaking against was this thought in 2 Thessalonians.

 

[Jim Parker]

I guess I don't understand how the ressurection is not hard to describe, but the binding of satan is?

The resurrection is very easy to describe: Jesus isn't dead any more. He was dead; now He's alive.
What an ecstatic, highly symbolic, apocalyptic vision means is a whole different story.
Maybe you just don't understand what is meant by "ecstatic, apocalyptic vision."
Here's an example of a vision that is hard to explain.
Read Ezekiel chapter 1 and then draw a picture of exactly what he saw.

iakov the fool

 

[netchaplain]

Thanks Chaplain. It's threads like this that causes my gaze to cement on the New Jerusalem where I'll live with my Lord for ever. I needed this review more than ever. Old age is creeping up on me and though I've been in bed most of the day hurting, Your comments lifted my spirits. Thank you.

Thanks Brother - I think God uses everything to cause us to "cast our care on Him" (1 Pet 5:7)!

 

[netchaplain]

Thanks. What's interesting is that I probably am closer to this view than traditional premillennialism, but I can't see how they reconcile the passages in Thessalonians.

In fact, it seems the very thing Paul was speaking against was this thought in 2 Thessalonians.

IMO, when the resurrection occurs is secondary to waiting for it. After all, it is the time when no man will know for sure of it's timing. We can only get an idea of the signs of its coming.

Blessings!

 

[iLOVE]

In our present condition we have a “new man” coexisting with our “old man” within a “corruptible” body. In our final condition we will have the same new man—but in an “incorruptible” body (1 Cor 15:53), and the old man will be eternally absent!

Amen. The new creation continues to live with corruption (the sin nature) (1 Corinthians 15:53) until the rapture of the Church. However, the younger (the new creation) is greater than the elder (the sin nature) (Genesis 25:23). Why? Because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4, Romans 6). We are still dying which shows that the sin nature lives in us. If the sin nature did not live in the Christian we would not age or die.

 

[netchaplain]

Amen. The new creation continues to live with corruption (the sin nature) (1 Corinthians 15:53) until the rapture of the Church. However, the younger (the new creation) is greater than the elder (the sin nature) (Genesis 25:23). Why? Because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4, Romans 6). We are still dying which shows that the sin nature lives in us. If the sin nature did not live in the Christian we would not age or die.

Hi iL - Thanks for the instructional reply. Good Word!

 

[Pegasus]

It has been inspiringly said that “there was never a time when believers were not on the Father’s mind”! In their spirit and soul believers have been “raised with Christ” (Col 3:1). This is the present reality in experiencing part of the “Resurrection,” for we are in the death and resurrection of His Son in our spirit, by which He “has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Pet 1:3).

This part of His resurrection presently provides rebirth and “quickens” (Eph 2:8, 1; Col 2:13) our soul and spirt unto the union of a “new man,” e.g. a new nature which “is created in righteousness and true holiness,” and “is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him” (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10). The final experience of His resurrection will be when we are raised in a new body “when He shall appear” (1 Jhn 3:2), in which our present body which remains (Rom 8:11) will be “changed” (1 Cor 15:51, 52; 1 Thes 4:16, 17).

In our present condition we have a “new man” coexisting with our “old man” within a “corruptible” body. In our final condition we will have the same new man—but in an “incorruptible” body (1 Cor 15:53), and the old man will be eternally absent! No sinful nature, no sin. No sin, no interruption of love and peace with our God the Father and with our Lord the Son—all through Their blessed Spirit (Jhn 14:16; Rev 22:17), via the new nature (Eph 3:16). As this love and peace shall be then, so can it be now—in our conscience—in knowing that there’s no sin that God has not already taken into account which has not already been addressed “by the blood of Christ” (Eph 2:13).

We are not walking in the faith of Christ’s expiation for our sinful nature when we do not realize our permanent separation from the “old man.” Though it is in us, we are not in it (Rom 8:9), thus God does not regard us after it! When there is that concept or feeling of guilt, there is not that walk (understanding) of faith in His reparation for us from sin! Nevertheless, be encouraged, for this guiltless condition in the Lord Jesus does not come from our faith but from His Cross-work. The walk of our faith here, and everywhere, is presently for the sake of our conscience concerning “irrevocable” (Rom 11:29) peace with God. It is “through faith,” “by” which the “grace” of salvation is received (Eph 2:8), thus it must be the same concerning all the promises of God if we are to “walk in the Spirit,” not just “live in the Spirit” (Gal 5:25). Though believers live in a guiltless position they cannot walk in it if they do not know it!

We will not be any more redeemed or saved in our spirit and soul in eternity than we are now, but we will be void of the old man, thus the “Resurrection” for which we await has only to do with the new body, and the power of “death” will be no more, for it shall be “cast into the Lake of Fire” (Rev 20:14). Death which came by the commission of sin (Gen 2:17) will be eternally banished by the “remission” of sin (Heb 10:18), by which we are in our spirit “perfected forever” (Heb 10:14)!

Let us contemplate more on what God thinks of us than on what we think of ourselves, in order that we may be most readily prepared to receive, apply and share in the “comfort of the scriptures” (Rom 15:4).

-NC

Amen brother and thank you!

 

[Pegasus]

edited reba
I'll stop there as Bible Study is not the Apologetics forum.

 

[netchaplain]

Amen brother and thank you!

Hi Peg - Thank you too for your reply!

 

[reba]

closed for review

 

[reba]

Some of the posts will be removed as off topic.. I see the personal battle was some what resolved so i will leave it posted... this is the Bible Study Forum.. a bit more respect to the rules , ideals, and mostly each other is expected here,, Post accordingly or be deleted... there are many other forums here at CFnet to argue .
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