I said this:
"If anyone has a sin nature, they don't need a license. Where does one get the silly notion that one needs a license to sin?"
I won't let you evade the point.
As if anyone can force anyone else to comply with anything. LOL.
However, I've never shied away from questions.
Hyper-grace OSAS turns God's grace into a license to indulge sin with impunity in regard to justification/salvation.
And I've challenged you to identify anyone who claims "impunity" with regard to eternal security. Only an idiot who doesn't know the Scriptures would dare to claim that any believer can sin with impunity. The Bible is full of dire warnings directly against such a thing. So either identify who teaches this total garbage, or quit making stuff up. All credibility is LOST when one makes such unfounded claims.
The thinking being that since a person has been justified by faith in Christ that gives them the license to then indulge sin and deny Christ with impunity regarding the justification they had received. Jude talks about that here:
"4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4 NASB)
One only has to read the context to know that Jude was referring to unsaved persons.
If hyper-grace OSAS does not turn the grace of God into a license to sin, what does , freegrace, what does?
I'll tell you exactly what turns the grace of God into a "license to sin". The sin nature, plain and simple. Stupid people, who know nothing of the Word of God, who think that they can get away with whatever they do just because God is gracious. What they have missed is that God is also perfectly JUST. His justice is perfect. No one gets away with anything.
But what WILL NEVER HAPPEN is for anyone who HAS eternal life to end up in the second death. That idea is irrational.
And just so you know what license is...
Well, it seems you've confused two words here. I'll wait for your confusion to subside and your statement makes sense.
You say believers can return to an unbelieving
Oh no. I didn't say that. Jesus Himself said that in Luke 8:12. I only pointed out what Jesus said. And Paul said it in 1 Tim 4:1. If you're offended by my quoting Jesus and Paul, just say so. But I won't quit, though.
Christ denying life of wanton sin and they will not lose their justification because God's grace is irrevocable in regard to the individual believer's justification. How is that not making God's grace a license to do that?????
I see your problem. You just do not understand, or like very much, what God's grace actually means.
Here's the facts.
1. Salvation is based solely on God's grace (Eph 2:8,9). That means it's UNMERITED. We can't earn it, nor do we deserve it. Ever.
2. Christ died for all sins of humanity (1 John 2:2), which your position fails to understand. Therefore, no one goes to hell for sin (Rev 20:15), even though that seems to be the popular view even among evangelicals, which they have no biblical right to have.
3. Because all sins were paid for, there cannot be any sins that would take our salvation away, contrary to your view.
4. When believers rebel against the Father, He promises discipline for that (Heb 12:5-11). Up to and including physical death, (1 Cor 11:30, 1 Jn 5:16) and not necessarily a pleasant one. Just review 1 Cor 5:5 to see what I'm referring to. And if these verses don't support what I'm saying, please go ahead and point that out.
So, bottom line: since the grace of God has covered all sins, sin isn't an issue in salvation at all. The issue is grace and faith in Christ.
And because sin is not ever an issue, once a person believes, whatever else happens in their life cannot undo what God has done:
1. spiritual new birth Titus 3:5
2. justification Rom 3:24, 5:15,16,17
3. possession of eternal life Rom 6:23
4. indwelling of the Holy Spirit forever John 14:16
Your view denies all of these permanent things. To your detrement.
