10 Reasons Islam is not from God

[protos]

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-10-reas ... om-god.htm

Especially noteworthy:

Islam cannot be from God because it is based upon the Qur'an which has internal contradictions. Any revelation from God will be consistent within itself. It will not contain internal contradictions. Since the Qur’an does contain internal contradictions, it cannot be from God, and any religion that is based upon it is not from God.

The Qur’an says that man was created from a clot of blood:

Qur'an 96:1. Proclaim (or Read) In the Name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created- 2. Created man out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood;

The Qur’an says that man was created from was created from clay:

Qur’an 6:2 (Also 7:12) 2. He it is Who created You from clay, and then Decreed a stated term (For you). And there is In His Presence another Determined term; yet Ye doubt within yourselves!

The Qur’an says that man was created from was created from water.

Qur’an 25:54. It is He Who has Created man from water: Then has He established Relationships of lineage And marriage: for thy Lord Has power (over all things).

These are internal contradictions that indicate the origin of the Qur’an was not the mind of God, but the mind of man, Muhammad.

The first verse states that man was created from a clot of blood, the second from clay, and the third from water.

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Early Muslims did not believe the Bible was corrupted:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-bible-n ... uslims.htm

In 1064, Ibn-Khazem, FIRST charged that the Bible had been corrupted and the Bible falsified. This charge was to defend Islam against Christianity because Ibn-Khazem come upon differences and contradiction between the Bible and the Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible must then be false.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Hey protos....

Do you play Starcraft?

I bet you view Islam as the Zerg huh?

 

[smiling_grin]

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-10-reasons-islam-not-from-god.htm

Especially noteworthy:

This statement is probably true, unless the word for blood is the same as clay, but I don't think so.

And also God would never tell us to KILL whoever isn't of a certain faith, nor would He tell husbands to beat their wives, would He

I'm not against Muslims I just don't agree with what they believe...
There's tons of ex Muslim testimonies here I found interesting and amazing

http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials ... path.shtml
http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials/miracles.shtml

There's more on the site, see for your self.

 

[saudi girl]

Hi there...

This is my first replay to one of your threads.First i want to thank you for your interests in talking about Islam.I will give you the answers of the 10 reasons but donot you think that most of them depend on the christian religious book.I mean if i am not a christian nor muslim you wont be able to convience me with these 10 reasons beacause they reject the truth of Islam from the christians point of view. While a non christian needs some logicall reasons about this subject,donot you think so?! ;-)


The site says:"Islam cannot be from God because Muhammad frequently changed his revelations to suit circumstances. The classic example is Muhammad’s teaching on drinking. When he was just beginning to teach, before Muhammad gained a significant following he said that it was alright to drink."




IN this point you said that the reason Islam is not from God is that Mohammad changed his revelation to suit circumestances. My answer is:
We believe that Islam is the religion of our nature. God the Creator knows his creations, knows their needs ,their weaknesses, their abilities…etc. Therefore He orders us to do what suit us and prohibits us from doing harm things
The site said:" Islam cannot be from God because Muhammad frequently changed his revelations to suit circumstances. The classic example is Muhammad’s teaching on drinking."


Well,drinking was a part of the lives of the people at that time and Allah in his divine wisdom had them quit gradually. This was Allah’s plan the whole time. But if Allah were to completely prohibit drinking all at once, it would have been very difficult for them to abide by that law immediately. This simply shows Allah’s mercy and consideration for his creation.
The gradual prohibition came in 3 verses in the following order:
Surah 2:219
They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder

Then....
Surah 4:43
O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say.....

Then....
Surah 5:90
O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper.
The site said: Islam cannot be from God because its appeal is to man's lower nature rather than his higher nature. Compare the Biblical appeal of heaven to the Quranic appeal of heaven.


He who denies the love of the good things in life or I can say anyone rejects the fact that people love "Gardens, pure water, beautiful women, delicious food and drink" –anyone denies this fact is not a human at all. God knows our nature, knows what we love and desire, and what make us happy. Therefore, He tells us in the Quran that we can get all of these blessings in the Paradise if we obey him sincerely. What is the problem?!


The site says:In examining the contradictions between the Bible and the Qur’an, we encountered Jesus’ teaching that we were to love and pray for our enemies while the Qur’an says to fight and kill your enemies


OK …would you give me the verses saying that Quran"orders us to kill and fight innocent people".Also,would you give me the verses that order us not to be kind and nice to other people"unbelievers"?

The site says: Islam cannot be from God because it is based upon a document, the Qur'an, made after God said revelation was finished.


Again this point depends on the biblical point of view.However I would like to discuss this point in detail with anyone likes to privately…why? Because if I answer your question It will be considered as a promotion of Islam!! You are welcomed to send me if you wish…


It says: Islam cannot be from God because it is based upon the Qur'an which has internal contradictions.

No brother!

You cannot say this or agree on it before you provide me with an example?!
For the example you mentioned above:The site that has the answer is not opening now.I will post it when I Find it in English God willing

 

[Dunzo]

Islam cannot be from God because it is based upon the Qur'an which has internal contradictions. Any revelation from God will be consistent within itself. It will not contain internal contradictions. Since the Qur’an does contain internal contradictions, it cannot be from God, and any religion that is based upon it is not from God.

Let's not forget about the internal contradictions within the Bible, shall we?

 

[Lewis]

Please go to this link, and learn what you did not know.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

 

[aurora_alpha]

only 10 reasons
it is about 2000 reason

 

[Lewis]

only 10 reasons
it is about 2000 reason

More than that.

 

[jwu]

This statement is probably true, unless the word for blood is the same as clay, but I don't think so.

Hebrew: adama = earth, adam = man, dam = blood

And also God would never tell us to KILL whoever isn't of a certain faith, nor would He tell husbands to beat their wives, would He

Chronicles 15:12-13 (NIV)

"They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Acts 3:23

"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear the prophet, shall be destroyed."

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

[Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

 

[Dunzo]

Nice one jwu, you killed the thread

 

[Gabe]

This statement is probably true, unless the word for blood is the same as clay, but I don't think so.

Hebrew: adama = earth, adam = man, dam = blood

And also God would never tell us to KILL whoever isn't of a certain faith, nor would He tell husbands to beat their wives, would He

Chronicles 15:12-13 (NIV)
[quote:c794e]"They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Acts 3:23

"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear the prophet, shall be destroyed."

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

[Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

[/quote:c794e]

Those quotes are useless unless this forum were called 123 jewish forums, as Christians we follow the moral teachings of Christ which replaces any conflicting teachings in the Old Testament. While the teachings found within Islamic scripture are still considered up-to-date for Muslims and are widely followed by them in countries which allow it (this includes killing non-believers/kafirs, killing apostates, killing homosexuals etc)

Come on guys, don't you feel even a little silly trying to defend a religion as barbaric as Islam?

And then to have the cheak of comparing it to Christianity with quotes from the Old Testament which bare no relevance to the Christian moral codes.

 

[Momentum]

Islam cannot be from God because it is based upon the Qur'an which has internal contradictions. Any revelation from God will be consistent within itself. It will not contain internal contradictions. Since the Qur’an does contain internal contradictions, it cannot be from God, and any religion that is based upon it is not from God.

Let's not forget about the internal contradictions within the Bible, shall we?

care to share with us these internal contradictions Dunzo?

 

[Psalm_40]

All these reasons are trivial in comparison to the one huge reason that islam is not from god, and that is that it doesn't worship jesus. How could islam possibly be from god if it doesn't worship him!?!

 

[Gabe]

All these reasons are trivial in comparison to the one huge reason that islam is not from god, and that is that it doesn't worship jesus. How could islam possibly be from god if it doesn't worship him!?!

I understand what you are saying but you are looking at it from a purely Christian POV.
This is the 'other religions' section of the forums, so many of the people posting here are not Christian and stating that a certain faith is wrong because they do not worship Jesus Christ will in no way prove to anybody that that particular faith is not from God.

You have to approach this subject from a neutral prospective. Telling an atheist that their belief in the non-existence of God is wrong because Christ is God is pointless, as is trying to persuade anyone that Islam is ungodly because they deny the deity of Christ. However, if you ask an atheist or any other non-Christian: do you believe that a religion founded by a paedophile which has extremely dubious moral codes which if enforced would probably demand your death can possibly be from God? I think then you would have proven your point to all regardless of their religious leanings and their view on Christ.

 

[Pogo]

Gabriel Ali -

You posted...

However, if you ask an Atheist or any other non-Christian: do you believe that a religion founded by a pedophile which has extremely dubious moral codes which if enforced would probably demand your death can possibly be from God? I think then you would have proven your point to all regardless of their religious leanings and their view on Christ.

WOW!

What an insight you have! If your quote is accurate, this is monumental!!!

Please point me to the sources of such information.

In Christ,

Pogo

 

[Gabe]

^ not sure if the above post was meant to be sarcastic or not but whatever the intention was, please read the Quran and Hadiths (Muslim scripture) that is the only source you will need.

As I have said before in a different thread: you cannot judge a faith by its current followers and traditions or the nations you associate with it, the only way to know the heart of a faith is to study it's scriptures. Sometimes stereotypes of faiths match the teachings of its 'holy' scriptures and sometimes it may not, in the case of Islam, I am sure you will find it's intolerant image (supported by the inhumane actions and laws of many Islamic countries which base their laws on the writing of the Quran) is well deserved.

Also, the fact that their 'greatest' prophet Mohammad (one whom Muslims think it is an honour to emulate, much like how Christians aim to be Christ-like in behaviour) married a six year old child and referred to her as his most beautiful wife is not argued or disputed amongst Muslims, it is a known FACT which is agreed on by all. I simply use the MEDICAL term (paedophile) for an individual who finds a child sexually attractive instead of the many vulgar and abusive words most people would use when referring to an old man who has sexual intercourse with a pre-teen child and I do not plan on changing the English language to suit the needs of today's biased political correctness which seems to allow people the right to insult Christ without fear of being labelled a racist, bigot or the equivalent of an Islamophobe but then will not allow us to point out a simple but very important fact about Muhammad: he was a paedophile. You do not have to be a Christian to see that this is an evil act committed by EVIL people, this is one issue that Christians and Atheists alike agree on (not to mention the countless number of other faiths/belief systems that also detest paedophilia)

In short: If you believe that God would not allow a paedophile to be the foundation of His true faith then logic would dictate that you do not believe that Islam (a religion founded by a paedophile) is from God.

 

[Pogo]

Gabriel,

Please forgive me if I'm coming across sarcastically. It is unintentional if it appears that way!

No...I truly see this revelation as earth shattering!

To be sure, you are exactly right about going to the quran for light on this matter.

I attempted an examination of Islam once, but found the quran too daunting to tackle by myself.

I picked up a small paperback essay called something like Fast Facts on Islam, and thought that it was wonderful. I don't have it any more, I gave it to a friend, in the reserves, who was leaving to pull a tour in Iraq.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did come to see that most Muslims don't read the quran in its original language, and don't trust translations either, so they rely on clerics to lead them, who are only fallible humans, too.

Therefore, the source of radical extremeism.

I've pushed my study of Islam to the back-burner, as I realize how little I really understand about the teachings of Christ, and that NO mainstream denomination of Christianity is teaching all of the truths found in the Holy Bible.

So, I'll probably never get around to a study of the quran.

Thanks for the light which you did shine on this subject!

In Christ,

Pogo

 

[Gabe]

Hi Pogo and Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Yes, you are right that most Muslims cannot understand Arabic and do not trust translations, I was not one of them. When they pray they have not a clue as to what they are praying for. Most Muslims do look to clerics for practical religious teachings as well as their parents although I do think it is wrong to claim that Muslim clerics are the source of 'extreme Islam'. Islam at its heart is an extreme religion so any cleric using the teachings of the Quran is only doing so because he see's this as the right thing to do. Islam is undeniably violent , sexist and the moral teachings in the Quran when compared to accepted western morals are barbaric even though many claim it not to be, my answer to them is always the same: read the Quran,
Just because a Muslim says Islam is a religion of peace, does not make it so. In Islam it is lawful for a Muslim to lie if it will help protect Islam.