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2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5; what is coming?

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2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

The question is about the phrase "what is to come", found in both verses. What does it refer to? iow, what's coming?

The phrase "set his seal of ownership on us" relates these 2 verses to Eph 1:13, 14 and 4:30.

Eph 1 -
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Eph 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

What is clear from all these verses is that whatever it is that is coming, it is guaranteed. To come, that is.

Thoughts?
 
What's coming is the redemption of His children. The revealing of the sons of God.

Romans 8:19 (ESV)
For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
 
What is clear from all these verses is that whatever it is that is coming, it is guaranteed. To come, that is.

Thoughts?
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 [NKJV] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

That is my thought.
 
What's coming is the redemption of His children. The revealing of the sons of God.

Romans 8:19 (ESV)
For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
Right. And it is guaranteed, according to the verses. But some don't agree.
 
2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

The question is about the phrase "what is to come", found in both verses. What does it refer to? iow, what's coming?

Amen!

What is coming is: The resurrection from the dead. The redemption of the body.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. John 5:28-30


Here is the snap-shot of that Day.


31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46


Here is the phrase from the OP:

for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

  • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.


  • Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31
The Day is coming when there will be those who inherit the kingdom of God.
  • “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
And there will be those who do not inherit the kingdom of God.


Never the less, the day is coming.




JLB
 
Amen!

What is coming is: The resurrection from the dead. The redemption of the body.
That's not what the Bible says. Our physical bodies are corrupt, and will perish after physical death. Believers will be given new bodies, called "resurrection bodies", per 1 Cor 15 -
35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”
36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. John 5:28-30
How does this passage relate to Eph 1:13,14, 4:30, and 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5? Please explain. Simply posting a verse or passage without any explanation provides no understanding of the poster's point.

The point of what has been guaranteed is the believer's redemption, which is another way of saying that one's salvation is guaranteed on the basis of being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46
Please provide explanation of how this passage relates to the OP.

Here is the phrase from the OP:

for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29
This verse wasn't mentioned in the OP. This claim is in error.

More verses were included in this post, but there was no explanation of how they related to the OP in any way.

What is guaranteed to come is our redemption. Meaning, our salvation. All based on being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Not our lifestyle. Not our works. And sealing is based on initial faith in Christ, since that's what Eph 1:13 says. " And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

Clear as can be.
 
That's not what the Bible says. Our physical bodies are corrupt, and will perish after physical death. Believers will be given new bodies, called "resurrection bodies", per 1 Cor 15 -
35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”
36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.


The verse's you quoted refer to the resurrection from the dead, that is coming.

2 Corinthians 5:5

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 2 Corinthians 5:1-5


and again


2 Corinthians 1:22


13 For we are not writing any other things to you than what you read or understand. Now I trust you will understand, even to the end 14 (as also you have understood us in part), that we are your boast as you also are ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus.
15 And in this confidence I intended to come to you before, that you might have a second benefit— 16 to pass by way of you to Macedonia, to come again from Macedonia to you, and be helped by you on my way to Judea. 17 Therefore, when I was planning this, did I do it lightly? Or the things I plan, do I plan according to the flesh, that with me there should be Yes, Yes, and No, No? 18 But as God is faithful, our word to you was not Yes and No. 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me, Silvanus, and Timothy—was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes. 20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. 2 Corinthians 1:13-22


The verse's you quoted in the OP, pertain to, and are concerning the resurrection from the dead, which is coming.


for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29
  • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

and again -

  • Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31
The Day is coming when there will be those who inherit the kingdom of God.
  • “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
And there will be those who do not inherit the kingdom of God.


Never the less, the day is coming.




JLB
 
Please provide explanation of how this passage relates to the OP.

The resurrection from the dead occurs at His coming.

His Coming, is what is coming.

Next question.

31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46


JLB
 
What is guaranteed to come is our redemption. Meaning, our salvation. All based on being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Not our lifestyle. Not our works. And sealing is based on initial faith in Christ, since that's what Eph 1:13 says. " And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

Clear as can be.

What is guaranteed to come is the redemption of all those found in Christ. You cannot leave that part out. You say its based on initial faith, the Bible says its based on continual faith. Big difference.

Hebrews 3:5-14
Now Moses was faithful in all God's house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God's house as a son. And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
on the day of testing in the wilderness,
where your fathers put me to the test
and saw my works for forty years.

Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
they have not known my ways.’
As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest.’”

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.


Its clear that its ongoing faith, not initial faith, that is a sign of the son's of God - who will be revealed.
 
What is guaranteed to come is the redemption of all those found in Christ. You cannot leave that part out. You say its based on initial faith, the Bible says its based on continual faith. Big difference.

Amen to that!

Not only that, but faith working by love.
Faith that expresses itself by love.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6

Faith working...

Here is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance: A faith that doesn't work, is a faith that doesn't work [is dead].


Here is what Jesus said to His servants, that never expressed their faith, by the action of love.

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:42 for [because] I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:41-46



JLB
 
What is guaranteed to come is our redemption. Meaning, our salvation. All based on being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Not our lifestyle. Not our works. And sealing is based on initial faith in Christ, since that's what Eph 1:13 says. " And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

Clear as can be.


What's clear as day, is believing, present tense, is what ensures our salvation, in which our sins are forgiven.


Those who believe for a while, are saved for a while, since they no longer believe.

These who do not hold fast to the word in which they heard, have believed in vain, since they no longer believe.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2


The context of 1 Corinthians 15 is the resurrection, the redemption of the body, in which those who "hold fast" to what they heard in the beginning, have that word abiding in them, then they will also abide in the Son and the father, on that Day.

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24



JLB
 
The verse's you quoted refer to the resurrection from the dead, that is coming.
No, of course not. Everyone will be resurrected from the dead, according to the Bible, both believer and unbeliever.
Acts 24:15- and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

The verse is clear about what is coming. It is the "day of redemption". Will there be a "day of redemption" for any unbeliever? No, not according to the Bible. They (unbelievers) will be resurrected for the Great White Throne Judgment, in which they will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:6-15.

2 Corinthians 5:5

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 2 Corinthians 5:1-5
v.5 tells us that the giving of the Holy Spirit is a guarantee. Eph 1:13,14 informs us of what is guaranteed: the day of redemption of the believer.

2 Corinthians 1:22

13 For we are not writing any other things to you than what you read or understand. Now I trust you will understand, even to the end 14 (as also you have understood us in part), that we are your boast as you also are ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus.
15 And in this confidence I intended to come to you before, that you might have a second benefit— 16 to pass by way of you to Macedonia, to come again from Macedonia to you, and be helped by you on my way to Judea. 17 Therefore, when I was planning this, did I do it lightly? Or the things I plan, do I plan according to the flesh, that with me there should be Yes, Yes, and No, No? 18 But as God is faithful, our word to you was not Yes and No. 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me, Silvanus, and Timothy—was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes. 20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. 2 Corinthians 1:13-22
v.22 is quite clear as well. Believers have been sealed with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee, which is for the day of redemption, per Eph 1:13,14.

The verse's you quoted in the OP, pertain to, and are concerning the resurrection from the dead, which is coming.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. But I believe the verses are clear enough to understand.

for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29
Like I said, everyone, believer and unbeliever alike, will be resurrected. But NOT "for the day of redemption". That is only for those who have believed. And the guarantee is based on initial faith, because the believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit when they believe, according to Eph 1:13,14.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31
The Day is coming when there will be those who inherit the kingdom of God.
  • “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
And there will be those who do not inherit the kingdom of God.
These verses do not change the OP.


Never the less, the day is coming.
JLB
Yes. And "the day" is "the day of redemption".

iow, all who have believed have been sealed with the Holy Spirit OF PROMISE, a GUARANTEE, FOR the day of redemption.

That's what the sealing with the Holy Spirit is FOR; the day of redemption, which is guaranteed to come.
 
What is guaranteed to come is the redemption of all those found in Christ.
Right. And those who have believed have been "placed in Him" as a result of believing (Eph 1:13). iow, those sealed are IN CHRIST, and guaranteed the day of REDEMPTION.

You cannot leave that part out. You say its based on initial faith, the Bible says its based on continual faith. Big difference.
Please show IN CONTEXT where continual faith is the criteria for the guarantee, because I don't see that at all.

What I see is that the guarantee is based on being sealed, which occurs WHEN one believes. So, WHEN one believes is what is called "initial faith".

Hebrews 3:5-14
Now Moses was faithful in all God's house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God's house as a son. And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
on the day of testing in the wilderness,
where your fathers put me to the test
and saw my works for forty years.

Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
they have not known my ways.’
As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest.’”

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.


Its clear that its ongoing faith, not initial faith, that is a sign of the son's of God - who will be revealed.
My understanding of Heb 3 is completely different than this interpretation, and this passage hasn't been shown to be related in any way to either Eph 1:13,14, 4:30 or 2 Cor 1:22 or 5:5.

Plus, I see nothing here about having to continue to believe in order to continue to be saved. If there is, please provide explanation.
 
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Corinthians 1:22

Earnest; Deposit - Strong's 728 - arrabōn

an earnest
  1. money which in purchases is given as a pledge or down-payment that the full amount will subsequently be paid
In this spiritual transaction, God has pledged His commitment to us, by giving us a down payment, a deposit, an earnest, until the Day of redemption.

Our part, in this transaction is to believe.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14


Those who believe the Gospel Message, yet do not continue to hold fast, in which the word does not remain, or abide within, have believed in vain.

Only those who believe, endure to the end will be saved.

13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:13-14

20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
Matthew 13:20-21

  • Believe = Endure

13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13



JLB
 
What's clear as day, is believing, present tense, is what ensures our salvation, in which our sins are forgiven.
Let's not "beat up" the present tense. Both Jesus and Paul used the aorist tense for believing for salvation in several places, all of which has been previously shown.

Not only that, Jesus used the present tense for "believe" in Luke 8:13, where the second soil "believed FOR A WHILE". How about that!?

They believed, in the present tense, but only "for a while". Demonstrating that the present tense doesn't mean "to the end of one's life", as is being insinuated here.


Those who believe for a while, are saved for a while, since they no longer believe.
Please provide clear Scripture for this claim.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
To "hold fast" means to possess. One is saved IF they possess "that word", which Paul preached. Then he added, "unless you believed in vain (without reason). What does that mean? It doesn't mean to believe "for a while". It means to believe something that is not saving faith. Like believing in Jesus for a better job, car, house, etc.That kind of a thing.

The context of 1 Corinthians 15 is the resurrection, the redemption of the body, in which those who "hold fast" to what they heard in the beginning, have that word abiding in them, then they will also abide in the Son and the father, on that Day.
There is no "resurrection of the body" in Scripture. There certainly will be a resurrection for everyone, both the righteous and the wicked. But not a resurrection of physical bodies. In fact, 1 Cor 15 makes clear the resurrection is about our resurrection bodies, not our physical bodies, which are bodies of corruption.

Consider v.40 - There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

After the believer dies, their resurrection will be a "heavenly body", not an earthly body.

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24
JLB
Since there are no verses that indicate that humans have any control over the sealing with the Holy Spirit, the "abiding" here refers to fellowship, not relationship.

iow, only when the believer is in fellowship can they be filled with the Holy Spirit, and produce divine fruit, or "fruit of the Spirit" as listed in Gal 5.

When out of fellowship, the believer grieves (Eph 4:30) or quenches (1 Thess 5:19) the Holy Spirit. They are not filled with the Spirit. There is no fellowship.
 
No, of course not. Everyone will be resurrected from the dead, according to the Bible, both believer and unbeliever.

Is someone who believes for a while, then no longer believes, a believer?


JLB
 
Let's not "beat up" the present tense. Both Jesus and Paul used the aorist tense for believing for salvation in several places, all of which has been previously shown.

Not only that, Jesus used the present tense for "believe" in Luke 8:13, where the second soil "believed FOR A WHILE". How about that!?

They believed, in the present tense, but only "for a while". Demonstrating that the present tense doesn't mean "to the end of one's life", as is being insinuated here.

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24


Sorry, but a continual believing is required.

The word must remain in you, if which you hold fast to the word, or otherwise your initial believe will have profited you nothing.


JLB
 
I said this:
"
2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."
Are you giving a definition of the word "deposit" as Guaranteeing what is to come?
No, I was quoting 2 verses in 2 Cor. Both verses said "guaranteeing what is to come". And comparing these verses with Eph 1:13,14, we see that the sealing with the Holy Spirit is a guarantee for the day of redemption.
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I see a direct connection between 2 Cor and Eph 1:14. We find the SAME WORDS in all verses: Spirit as/is a deposit, guaranteeing.

Therefore, the sealing with the Holy Spirit IS a deposit to guarantee what is to come, which is the day of redemption of believers. Based on being sealed, not based on lifestyle criteria.
 
Let's not "beat up" the present tense. Both Jesus and Paul used the aorist tense for believing for salvation in several places, all of which has been previously shown.

Not only that, Jesus used the present tense for "believe" in Luke 8:13, where the second soil "believed FOR A WHILE". How about that!?

They believed, in the present tense, but only "for a while". Demonstrating that the present tense doesn't mean "to the end of one's life", as is being insinuated here.



Please provide clear Scripture for this claim.


To "hold fast" means to possess. One is saved IF they possess "that word", which Paul preached. Then he added, "unless you believed in vain (without reason). What does that mean? It doesn't mean to believe "for a while". It means to believe something that is not saving faith. Like believing in Jesus for a better job, car, house, etc.That kind of a thing.


There is no "resurrection of the body" in Scripture. There certainly will be a resurrection for everyone, both the righteous and the wicked. But not a resurrection of physical bodies. In fact, 1 Cor 15 makes clear the resurrection is about our resurrection bodies, not our physical bodies, which are bodies of corruption.

Consider v.40 - There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

After the believer dies, their resurrection will be a "heavenly body", not an earthly body.


Since there are no verses that indicate that humans have any control over the sealing with the Holy Spirit, the "abiding" here refers to fellowship, not relationship.

iow, only when the believer is in fellowship can they be filled with the Holy Spirit, and produce divine fruit, or "fruit of the Spirit" as listed in Gal 5.

When out of fellowship, the believer grieves (Eph 4:30) or quenches (1 Thess 5:19) the Holy Spirit. They are not filled with the Spirit. There is no fellowship.

What is coming is: The resurrection from the dead. The redemption of the body.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. John 5:28-30


Here is the snap-shot of that Day.


31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46


Here is the phrase from the OP:

for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

  • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.


  • Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31
The Day is coming when there will be those who inherit the kingdom of God.
  • “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
And there will be those who do not inherit the kingdom of God.


Never the less, the Day is coming.




JLB
 
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