3 and 1/2-yr Tribulation

[nmwings]

Matt 24:15-16 says that the Trib will start when the Abomination of Desolation (an image) is set up somewhere on the Temple Mount, and when the people living in Israel see this they are to flee into the wilderness. Rev 12:6 says they will be there for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

Rev 11:3-4 says 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

If one wishes to get real technical, Dan 12:11-12 says
(1) there will be a 30-day gap between the Altar being shut down and the image set up (1,290- the above 1,260 = 30)
(2) there will be 1,335 days from the day the Altar is shut down until that "Blessed Day," (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.)
(3) there will be a 45-day gap between the day Messiah sets His foot upon the Mount of Olives (His return) and the Wedding Feast (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.) 1,335-1290= 45 days.

Counting back 1,335 days from the Feast of Tabernacles occurring on Oct 17, 2016, we should see the Altar shut down on Wednsday ("the middle of the week" Dan 9:27) on Feb 20, 2013. Count 30 days forward and the image should be set up on March 22, 2013. Messiah told us the fleeing wouldn’t occur in the winter or on a Sabbath (Matt 24:20.) March 22 comes the day after the last day of winter and the day before the Sabbath = on Friday, March 22, 2013.

Edit: I goofed on #3 above = what I meant to say (and please forgive the confusion) there will be a 45-day gap between the end of the Tribulation and the Wedding (Feast of Tabernacles.) During this 45-day time frame are the Fall feasts of:
1- Yom Terurah (Feast of Trumpets) which is the Day of the Awakening Blast (resurrection) and the day we see the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds. This day is also known as the Day of Judgment.
2- Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)
3- Sukkot (the 7-day long Feast of Tabernacles) the Wedding Day

 

[reba]

Matt 24:15-16 says that the Trib will start when the Abomination of Desolation (an image) is set up somewhere on the Temple Mount, and when the people living in Israel see this they are to flee into the wilderness. Rev 12:6 says they will be there for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

Rev 11:3-4 says 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

If one wishes to get real technical, Dan 12:11-12 says
(1) there will be a 30-day gap between the Altar being shut down and the image set up (1,290- the above 1,260 = 30)
(2) there will be 1,335 days from the day the Altar is shut down until that "Blessed Day," (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.)
(3) there will be a 45-day gap between the day Messiah sets His foot upon the Mount of Olives (His return) and the Wedding Feast (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.) 1,335-1290= 45 days.

Counting back 1,335 days from the Feast of Tabernacles occurring on Oct 17, 2016, we should see the Altar shut down on Feb 20, 2013. Count 30 days forward and the image should be set up on March 22, 2013. Messiah told us the fleeing wouldn’t occur in the winter or on a Sabbath (Matt 24:20.) March 22 comes the day after the last day of winter and the day before the Sabbath = on Friday, March 22, 2013.

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[VirginShallConceive]

. . . we should see the Altar shut down on Feb 20, 2013. Count 30 days forward and the image should be set up on March 22, 2013. Messiah told us the fleeing wouldn’t occur in the winter or on a Sabbath (Matt 24:20.) March 22 comes the day after the last day of winter and the day before the Sabbath = on Friday, March 22, 2013.

Are you serious? When those days come and go, and those things do not come to pass, do you realize that your credibility drops way down for the next time you make a prediction?

 

[Sinthesis]

What altar gets shut down?

 

[Carolyn]

what calander are you using one with 360 days like Jesus used?

 

[John 8:32]

Matt 24:15-16 says that the Trib will start when the Abomination of Desolation (an image) is set up somewhere on the Temple Mount, and when the people living in Israel see this they are to flee into the wilderness. Rev 12:6 says they will be there for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

Rev 11:3-4 says 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

If one wishes to get real technical, Dan 12:11-12 says
(1) there will be a 30-day gap between the Altar being shut down and the image set up (1,290- the above 1,260 = 30)
(2) there will be 1,335 days from the day the Altar is shut down until that "Blessed Day," (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.)
(3) there will be a 45-day gap between the day Messiah sets His foot upon the Mount of Olives (His return) and the Wedding Feast (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.) 1,335-1290= 45 days.

Counting back 1,335 days from the Feast of Tabernacles occurring on Oct 17, 2016, we should see the Altar shut down on Feb 20, 2013. Count 30 days forward and the image should be set up on March 22, 2013. Messiah told us the fleeing wouldn’t occur in the winter or on a Sabbath (Matt 24:20.) March 22 comes the day after the last day of winter and the day before the Sabbath = on Friday, March 22, 2013.

Where did you get 2016 from? I don't know how you can predict the year. The only thing one can TRY to predict is the upper limit of 2018 (1948 + 70 years = 2018), but this is very speculative. There is also the viewpoint that 1260 days, 1290 days and 1335 days are all counted backwards from the day of Christ's return. Church is in the Place of Safety and the two witnesses are operating for 3-1/2 years. The AoD is set up 30 days prior to the beginning of the 3-1/2 years and the church gathers in Judea 45 days prior to that. Of course, this is just speculation that I have heard and I do not say it carries any weight, just repeating something I heard. There are many other speculations about the 1260, 1290 and 1335 having to do with events, days and even years, so one could pick about anything here.

Another consideration is that it is more likely that Christ will return on the Feast of Trumpets than the first day of the FoT.

 

[King James]

Matt 24:15-16 says that the Trib will start when the Abomination of Desolation (an image) is set up somewhere on the Temple Mount, and when the people living in Israel see this they are to flee into the wilderness. Rev 12:6 says they will be there for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

Rev 11:3-4 says 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days. 1260 days = 42 months = time, times and half a time = 3 ½ yrs.

If one wishes to get real technical, Dan 12:11-12 says
(1) there will be a 30-day gap between the Altar being shut down and the image set up (1,290- the above 1,260 = 30)
(2) there will be 1,335 days from the day the Altar is shut down until that "Blessed Day," (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.)
(3) there will be a 45-day gap between the day Messiah sets His foot upon the Mount of Olives (His return) and the Wedding Feast (aka: the Feast of Tabernacles.) 1,335-1290= 45 days.

Counting back 1,335 days from the Feast of Tabernacles occurring on Oct 17, 2016, we should see the Altar shut down on Feb 20, 2013. Count 30 days forward and the image should be set up on March 22, 2013. Messiah told us the fleeing wouldn’t occur in the winter or on a Sabbath (Matt 24:20.) March 22 comes the day after the last day of winter and the day before the Sabbath = on Friday, March 22, 2013.

That could make sense. One would have to flee the day before this happens:
http://patriotaction.net/forum/topics/another-hidden-secret-in
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http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/0...ve-a-microchip-implant-in-2013-per-obamacare/

 

[John 8:32]

what calander are you using one with 360 days like Jesus used?

Calendar questions are always interesting. Let's look at the 70 weeks...

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The decree was made in 457BC. Actually there were four decrees...

1st Decree of Cyrus 536BC...

Ezr 1:1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2nd Decree of Darius I 520BC...

Ezr 6:7 Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.
Ezr 6:8 Moreover I make a decree what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for the building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, even of the tribute beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be not hindered.

3rd Decree of Artaxerxes I 457BC...

Ezr 7:12 Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
Ezr 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

4th Decree of Artaxerxs 444BC...

Neh 2:7 Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah;
Neh 2:8 And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me.

The actual wording of the fourth decree is not recorded, just that letters were given him.

Which decree do we use?

1st decree - 536BC + 483 years (69weeks * 7 days/week = 483 years) = 53 BC We know Christ was not 30 years old and did not begin His minstry in 53BC, so we do not count from 536BC

2nd decree - 520BC + 483 years = 37BC Again, we know history is recorded accurately enough that 37BC cannot be the year.

3rd decree - 457BC + 483 years = 27AD Bingo, we have a winner here.

4th decree - 444BC + 483 years = 40AD Too late, we know from history that 40AD is too late for the appearance of the Messiah

From the above, 457BC is the only decree that can work. Why did I go through this exercize? Just to reinforce the fact that this prophecy does not use a 360 day/year calendar. It predicts, with absolute accuracy I might add, that Christ would begin His ministry in 27AD and be crucified in 31AD, 3-1/2 solar years later. So, how do we understand the calendar when it comes to prophecy? I am not sure.

 

[nmwings]

I surely don't know it all, but I will do my best to try to answer all the questions and comments (minus the mockers) the best I can on an individual basis in the order it was posted. Please have patience if it seems I'm taking too long to get back to you....

 

[nmwings]

what calander are you using one with 360 days like Jesus used?

A Messianic calendar is one that overlays the Hebrew calendar with the Gregorian. This type of calendar is set up just like our Gregorian, but in each day square it also shows the Hebrew date. For example, Passover is on the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan. This year, Nisan 14 falls on our March 26. (Please keep in mind that the Jews observe Passover on the 15th day of Nisan, so your Gregorian calender might say Passover is on March 27.)

 

[nmwings]

Where did you get 2016 from? I don't know how you can predict the year. The only thing one can TRY to predict is the upper limit of 2018 (1948 + 70 years = 2018), but this is very speculative.

Daniel 9:25 says there are 69 weeks (7+62=69) between the time Jerusalem is rebuilt and the return of our King… The “commandment went forth†to restore Jerusalem to the Jewish people on Nov 29, 1947. 1947+69=2016

Another consideration is that it is more likely that Christ will return on the Feast of Trumpets than the first day of the FoT.

Yes, I agree that He’ll return on the Feast of Trumpets. I goofed in my first post when I said there’ll be 45 days between His return and Tabernacles. I meant to say there’ll be 45 days between the end of the Tribulation and Tabernacles…..sorry, I need to fix that…..

 

[nmwings]

That could make sense. One would have to flee the day before this happens:

Interesting links... thanks for sharing! Yes for the few of us who are actually WATCHING, it isn't hard to see things lining up very well with the prophecies! King James, I'm sure you've read the apostle Paul, but have you really heard what he said in 1 Cor 10:11? That the events of the Exodus from Egypt were expressly written for our instruction on what to do (and what not to do) when all this happens! Isa 11:11-12 confirms this 2nd Exodus, and Jeremiah says that this 2nd Exodus will be even greater than the one from Egypt! (see Jer 16:14-15 and Jer 23:7-8)

So, yes... one would have to flee before the chips are mandated. However, just like in the 1st Exodus, one can't flee before the appointed time, nor flee after. It must be according to when the Lord instructs us to flee.

 

[reba]

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Do you live in Judaea?

 

[nmwings]

Mat 24:16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Do you live in Judaea?

I live in north Texas. Those who aren’t living in Judea will follow the pattern of the 1st Exodus….we will leave after we eat the Feast of Redemption aka: the Passover.

 

[farouk]

I think this thread implies no distinction between the Rapture of the church (John 1.3; 1 Thess. 4) and events on earth subsequently during the unique, Great Tribulation.

 

[nmwings]

I think this thread implies no distinction between the Rapture of the church (John 1.3; 1 Thess. 4) and events on earth subsequently during the unique, Great Tribulation.

You're right. Matt 24:29-31 shows the Messiah returning and the "rapture" (the gathering of the saints) occurring AFTER the Tribulation.

 

[Sinthesis]

What altar gets shut down next month? Does it already exist? Who built it? Where is it?

 

[nmwings]

What altar gets shut down next month? Does it already exist? Who built it? Where is it?

Relax Sinthesis and take a deep breath. It hasn't been set up..... yet. Labor pangs come in waves followed by a short calm. Right now we’re in that “short calm.†The last wave of labor pangs came during the Israeli/Gaza 8-day war followed by the U.N. General Assembly granting Palestine non-member statehood. That statehood membership set the stage for Palestine to move in and demand “their piece†of the Land, which is exactly the reason Joel 3:2 says the Day of the Lord will happen: because the nations divide the Land.

If you’ll recall, the day after Palestine got their statehood, Israel announced it would resume construction of Jewish homes in an area known as E-1, which is south of the Old City. This is highly significant because when those pre-1967 borders are put back into place, that E-1 area, the Old City and the entire Temple Mount will be declared Palestinian property. And any Israeli living in these areas will automatically be considered “illegal.†This also puts a new light on the reason why the whole world will be in such an uproar when the Jews rush the Temple Mount (or negotiate a piece of it) to build an Altar: because the Temple Mount will, according to the nations, belong to Palestine and not Israel.

But another set of labor pangs is at the door. I believe things will happen so fast that if one wasn’t anticipating (weighing the different scenarios of what could happen) they won’t understand what happened, how it happened, or why.

As for the Altar, it is my opinion that it won’t last more than a day or so before it’s shut down. The reason I say this is because it takes 7 days to consecrate an Altar to the Lord. And during those 7 days, the nations will have plenty of time to be foaming at the mouth and chomping at the bit to get rid of it because it won’t be “politically correct.†Therefore, we should an Altar being consecrated no later than Feb 13, 2013.

But please don’t let this escape your thoughts: the Altar is the Lord’s ownership mark of the whole earth. When an Altar is dedicated to the Lord, they recite Ps 24:1 The earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein. Which means that everything this Altar touches belongs to the Lord: The stones, the dirt, the people, the animals….everything. A quick glance through Scripture shows that there has always been a dispute over altars, and specifically, which god is greater. Satan has always disputed the Lord’s Altar, and this coming one will be no different.

 

[Ebed]

וְהִגְבִּיר בְּרִית לָרַבִּים

And he shall (Strengthen - gabar) a covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27

gabar - to confirm, give strength H1396

In order to strengthen a covenant for (many – rab), it must already exist…Many is descriptive of the covenant that exist already with many, an adjective.......

This verse does not say he makes a covenant with many.

From Obama’s speech at the Turkish Parliament, April 6, 2009

The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security (Joel 3:2, 1 Thess 5:3)

That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the Road map and at Annapolis

From Obama’s speech at Cairo University, June 4, 2009 – Titled: Obama speaks to the Muslim world > In the audience were 10 Members of the Muslim Brotherhood that received official invites

The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.

The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the Road Map are clear

These quotes are just a few of the words Obama spoke against the land of Israel, And the Elohiym of Abraham Isaac and Yacob in his speeches to the king of the north and the king of the south in 2009.

On Tishri 21 2009, BHO was given the Nobel Peace Prize for Strengthening the covenant with many, The roadmap to peace

Tishri 21 is the Seventh Day of the feast of Sukkot– The Final sealing of Judgment.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a Prize was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev 6:2

Stephanos/Greek – Prize given in public ceremony

Tishri 21, 10/09/2009 + 1260 days = Abib 11, 3/22/2013 – when you see the Abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet

Abib 11, 2013 is The Sixth day of the week and the second day of spring.

But Pray that your flight be not in winter neither on the Sabbath day – Matt 24:20

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:11

Abib 11, 2013 + 1290 days = YOM TERUAH – Tishri 1 – The Feast of Trumpets

(If you shall not watch.... you shall not know the hour)

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore you shall not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and you shall not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Blessed is he that waits, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan 12:12

Tishri 1 + 45 days = Bul 15

And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it 1 Kings 6:38

<><><> O care was signed on 3/23/2010, the original bill said that the RFID registry was to be operational 3 years from signing into law 3/23/2013

>>>Egypt: Obama sends Muslim Brotherhood rulers more tanks and fighter jets December 2012

examiner.com/article/egypt-obama-sends-muslim-brotherhood-rulers-more-tanks-and-fighter-jets

The Greek letters Chi 600 Xi 60 Stigma 6 also spell a phrase in another language. And that language is Arabic.

The word it spells is ³Bismillah´ which means (literally) "In the name of Allah".

themessianicmessage.com/article_real_mark.pdf

the 666 'coincidences' to bho are also quite interesting, the last time 666 came up in the pick 3 lottery in Illinois was the day Obama was elected, the first time.

when he read Psalm 46 on 911/11 , think the harbinger for a second, counting Psalms 46 as the first chapter there are 666 chapter remaining in the scriptures...

the august 4th birth-date being the 216th day 6x6x6 , the day the second Temple was destroyed > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_4

and there are several other connections 60606 out there, barack hussein obama , barry soetoro what is his real name...both of those names are 501 in Hebrew, search for what the sages say about who 501 will be.

Interpretation Watching, Not Saying, thus says YHWH , Test all things

The roadmap for peace is a plan to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict proposed by a “quartet†of international entities: the United States, the European Union , Russia, and the United Nations first outlined by President George W. Bush in a speech on June 24, 2002.

MIDDLE EAST: The Road Map to Peace - Council on Foreign Relations

cfr.org/middle-east/middle-east-road-map-peace/p7738

Addressing the Turkish Parliament | The White House

whitehouse.gov/video/Addressing-the-Turkish Parliament#transcript

President Obama Speaks to the Muslim World from Cairo, Egypt | The White House

whitehouse.gov/video/President-Obama-Speaks-to-the-Muslim-World-from-Cairo-Egypt#transcript

Date Calulator Add to or subtract from a date.

timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html

Jewish Civil Date Converter/ Calendar

chabad.org/calendar/1000year_cdo/aid/6225/jewish/Date-Converter.htm

The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 - Press Release

nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

Seventh day Sukkot 2009

ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-339998?ref=feeds%252Flatest

Watch live Jewish orthodox prayer for penance - Simchat Torah today completes High Holiday season - CNN iReport

Yeshiva News: Erev Hoshanah Rabbah 10/8/2009

youtube.com/watch?v=rwyHJ_A88-k]Hoshana Rabah by the Kosel 5770 - YouTube

 

[Ebed]

The Red Horse of War

Judah was prophesied to return to their homes first in the last days, the House of David, and then All the nations would come against them to Part His Land by a Vote.

That is Exactly what happened on 11/29/2012

The Vote: the Red Horse of War – Peace taken from the earth… Revelation 6:4

For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, Joel 3:1

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of YAH Judges, and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Yisrael, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My Land. 3:2

The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have you sold unto the Greeks, that you might remove them far from their border. Joel 3:6

Greeks, origin democracy, to decide by a Vote

The UN Voted to Part His Land on 11/29/2012, the siege against Jerusalem has begun

YAH Judges

Proclaim you this among the Nations; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Joel 3:9

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YHWH also shall save the dwellings of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. Zech 12:7

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem,….. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Aleph – Taw whom they have pierced, Zech 12:10

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Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the gentiles; prepare war =121 wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: = 1122 ` Joel Three – Nine = 140

Xi Jinping = 112

PLA - People's Liberation Army > Zhōngguó Rénmín Jiěfàngjūn = 212
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Rev 6:3 and when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast = 140 say, come and see. = 598

President China > Hu Jintao = 98

112+98 = 210

phayul.com/news/article.aspx?article=China+tells+army+to+prepare+for+war+in+2013&id=32847]China tells army to prepare for war in 2013

The directives have been issued just months after Xi Jinping took over as the PLA commander-in-chief from Hu Jintao