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666- The Mark of the Beast - Humanity's Ultimate Choice

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All About this is frightening!
The truth remains: IT IS TRUE.
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Do People need to die today to avoid the mark:confused? Perhaps it is better.
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Something sounds self-contradictory here

a) From the link:
Those who do not take the mark will be executed by the Antichrist's administration.
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This implies violence - and People are forced to take the mark.
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b) From the link:
The Antichrist will not come into power by force. He will be someone who the people desire and adore. And so will the Mark. It will be something people actually want, in pure defiance of God
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I don't quite get it here. This talks about choice - and not force.
 
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.



2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.




The above Scriptures are all the Scriptures in the whole Bible speaking of antichrist. Every thing else one hears or reads, about antichrist, is mans idea of what God is saying.
 
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.



2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.




The above Scriptures are all the Scriptures in the whole Bible speaking of antichrist. Every thing else one hears or reads, about antichrist, is mans idea of what God is saying.

Quoted for truth and emphasis! :thumbsup
 
The Mark of the beast is coming to fruition just as Scripture prophesies.

Or, it is probably just this:

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html

Here's an excerpt:

[FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]The Christians of the first century were under the military authority of Rome, a nation which openly proclaimed its rulers, the Caesars, to be divine. All those under the jurisdiction of Rome were required by law to publicly proclaim their allegiance to Caesar by burning a pinch of incense and declaring, "Caesar is Lord". Upon compliance with this law, the people were given a papyrus document called a "libellus", which they were required to present when either stopped by the Roman police or attempting to engage in commerce in the Roman marketplace, increasing the difficulty of "buying or selling" without this mark. This is the essence of Scripture’s warnings to the early Christians against taking upon themselves the "mark of the beast". [/FONT]

Yeah, I bet that's what John was writing about.
 
The current world's faster supercomputer can perform 6000 transactions PER HUMAN (based upon 6 billion) per SECOND.

One has to consider that the implementation of any allowance or blockage to buying and selling will be computer based, imo.

Dr Jack Van Impe offers this (I especially like
I state them to show you that each of earth's six-and-one-half-billion inhabitants could possess his own personal number through the permutations of the figures described as "666."In fact, the computers arrived at the con clusion that 46,834,995,519,212,567,931,529,902,559,000 (forty- six nonillion, eight hun dred thirty-four octillion, nine hundred ninety-five septillion, five hundred- nineteen sextillion, two hundred-twelve quintillion, five hundred sixty-seven quadrillion, nine hundred thirty-one trillion, five hundred twenty-nine bil lion, nine hundred-two million, five hundred fifty-nine thousand) human beings could each have his own number. Six hundred sixty-six, with its permutations, fits the bill, even if tril lions more should be born:)
4| Perhaps Today | May-June 2008 silicon in electrical equipment, it lives. In his book, "Techno Futures,"James Canton of technotu.com outlines the top computer trends for the 21st century. Computers will become powerful extensions of human beings, designed toaugment intelligence, learning communications, and productivity. Computers will become intuitive — they will learn, recognize, and know what we want, who we are, and even what we desire. They're alive! Computers will have digital senses —speech, sight, smell, and hearing —enabling them to communicate with humans and other machines. The international dictator will use such a computer, fashioned after his likeness (Revelation 13:14), to enslave the inhabitants of earth. He will effectively do this through commerce— the buying and selling of products. Revelation 13:16,17 states, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name . This forthcoming computer of the ages will give the Antichrist all the information necessary for him to govern the world. Its memory bank will know the number, record, and history of every living person! This number will definitely include "666"in one manner or another (Rev elation 13:18). I believe it will be a prefix, such as 666-7, 666- 300, etc. Every individual credit card number must have some differentiation to distinguish one person from another. If all credit cards were identical, there would be mass con fusion. Similarly, there will be some variance along with the "666" marking. Some students of Bible prophecy theorize that this number will actually be composed of the international, national, and area computer codes presently in use (or being implemented) plus an individual number, such as the person's Social Security Number. The present inter national computer code is "6,"and this is antici pated to expand to "666."The national computer identification code for the United States is "110." Within our nation are many area codes presently used for telephone communication. Thus, by using each of these codes in sequence, ending with the Social Security or other assigned num ber, every man, woman, and child within our borders could be individually identified. Such a number might be 666-110-212-419-27-2738. Now I want to report a startling mathemati cal equation which was worked out on current computers by Col. Henry C. MacQueen, Sr., of Saratoga, California. He took the three six-digit units, which, with their permutations of numbers came out to N-60, and multiplied them by three. I don't expect you to understand the depth of the statement which I am about to make because I personally can only repeat what the computers revealed. I, too, am unable to grasp the enormity of the following figures. I state them to show you that each of earth's six-and-one-half-billion inhabitants could possess his own personal number through the permutations of the figures described as "666."In fact, the computers arrived at the con clusion that 46,834,995,519,212,567,931,529,902,559,000 (forty- six nonillion, eight hun dred thirty-four octillion, nine hundred ninety-five septillion, five hundred- nineteen sextillion, two hundred-twelve quintillion, five hundred sixty-seven quadrillion, nine hundred thirty-one trillion, five hundred twenty-nine bil lion, nine hundred-two million, five hundred fifty-nine thousand) human beings could each have his own number. Six hundred sixty-six, with its permutations, fits the bill, even if tril lions more should be born
 
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God's prophets are not wrong..


In â€Now, Nostradamus said that the king of terror would appear November of 1999. I believe Nostradamus knew his bible and knew what the six-day theory was, and so he could put it all together.†Jack Van Impe Presents October 5, 1998No
w, Nostradamus said that the king of
In 1997 Van Impe .... Claimed the year 2001 ....Will see the start of the great tribulation etc etc In 1997 Van Impe .... Claimed the year 2001 ....Will see the start of
Jack Van Impe Show, September 28, 1998 facts: No event in history has connected mankind to one common adversary until now. The millennial bug jeopardizes our way of life in ways never imagined.â€
â€The dire warnings in this emergency video are gleaned exclusively from secular experts in over 300 reports. The facts: No event in history has connected mankind to one common adversary until now. The millennial bug jeopardizes our way of life in ways never imagined.â€

the great tribulation etc etc
 
I don't understand your post, was that in reference to "James Canton of technotu.com's computations? Please elaborate.
 
A prophet of God is never wrong. If a person is a Godly prophet he/she is never mistaken. If a person is speaking from/for the Lord there are no errors. Van Impy has been wrong at different times. If a person says i believe XYZ will happen and it does not happen that is one thing. To say as Benny Hinn did that the Holy Spirit told him Castro would be dead in such and such year Hinn was not a prophet of God.

When one of the Wilkersons, Dave i think it was, Gave a prophesy about the USA Wilkerson prefaced his statement saying something to the effect he was not sure how much of this was God and how much was himself. Wilkerson IMO was to be respected for that.

God does not tell us mistakes or goofs or lies if ya want to be harsh. His word is true...

I dont know who James Canton is so i guess i will do some searching :)
 
I find nothing wrong with Dr Van Impe stating what he did about the upcoming 2000k issue. I find his statements to be true, in that such a thing has not occurred before, technologically. It was only because of the world's involvement that the fix came in. If some of his statement was incorrect, he owned up to them, I'm sure.

However, in this representation he is quoting a mathematician's computations regarding the possibilities of the current super computer, nothing prophetical about that ...however, imo, it could be one way that the mark of the beast, if not fictional, can be implemented. This type of keeping track of every human in the world was never possible prior to say, 1948 ;) In fact, it was inconceivable as viable.

Regardless, that such technology exists only means that it supports God's Word by giving us a way to imagine it could occur, which some of us don't need as God's Word is plenty. :biggrin
 
I find nothing wrong with Dr Van Impe stating what he did about the upcoming 2000k issue. I find his statements to be true, in that such a thing has not occurred before, technologically. It was only because of the world's involvement that the fix came in. If some of his statement was incorrect, he owned up to them, I'm sure.

However, in this representation he is quoting a mathematician's computations regarding the possibilities of the current super computer, nothing prophetical about that ...however, imo, it could be one way that the mark of the beast, if not fictional, can be implemented. This type of keeping track of every human in the world was never possible prior to say, 1948 ;) In fact, it was inconceivable as viable.

Regardless, that such technology exists only means that it supports God's Word by giving us a way to imagine it could occur, which some of us don't need as God's Word is plenty :biggrin



:shame2 and when the famous tribbers are wrong agian will we finally give up the 1948 as being the verse that jesus refered to? the fig tree there is the only time that doesnt refer to isreal btw in context is shown as a season.

and i do believe that modern isreal is significant. but my god my dad was born in 1948 and both his parents who are jews have died. many that were alive then and old enough to know are dying fast here in america. shall we presume that when the last of them dies god must return?
 
:shame2 and when the famous tribbers are wrong agian will we finally give up the 1948 as being the verse that jesus refered to? the fig tree there is the only time that doesnt refer to isreal btw in context is shown as a season.

and i do believe that modern isreal is significant. but my god my dad was born in 1948 and both his parents who are jews have died. many that were alive then and old enough to know are dying fast here in america. shall we presume that when the last of them dies god must return?

I hear your pain. :sad
Far be it from me, and other pretribulationists, to think that we are the ones who instigated Christ's return. It was He, in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 that we look to Israel and the final generation. Nothing, in 2000 years could be exacted for the last generation until Israel became a nation again.

I know of no Scripture that refers to all the Jewish people having to die before Christ's return, nay, but that at least 1/3 of them will live through, to the end through the tribulation. :yes
 
And how about the 666 thing?

Not quite sure what you mean by this question, but the mark of the beast (666) of Revelation 13 is also covered in the link I provided here:

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html

In fact, the name of the article presented there is "The Mark of the Beast."

Here's yet another excerpt:

The mystery of 666 Explained
Revelation 13:16-18 is based on Ezekiel 8 and 9. The "mark" symbolized the spiritual condition of the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The ones with the "mark" were in allegiance with God. However, in Revelation, the mark is reversed. That is to say, the mark was on those who were against God and had allegiance to the "beast."




John wrote that the number "is the number of a man's name; and his number is 666." This tells us that those who received the "mark" were actually in allegiance with a "man," an actually person of the first century. So, who was he? Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus! Better known as Nero Caesar.
John used a puzzle called gematria in which numbers are used to represent certain letters. John used this puzzle to reveal Nero without actually writing down his name. Remember, the early churches were being persecuted during this time—not only from the Jews, but also from the Romans. The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) are:


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Nero Caesar fits the gematria code number "666." Using this code, his name would be rendered as "NRWN QSR." (NRWN QSR). The number values are:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200​
which, when added together, equals 666.
The "beast from the earth" in Revelation 13 is none other than Nero, who was given power to wage war with the saints (the church) for 42 months.

Nero began his program of persecution against Christians in Rome after the fire that almost destroyed the city in July of 64 AD. The people of Rome believed Nero set the fire (even though he didn't) and he needed a scapegoat upon which to assign blame for the fire.

He chose a small sect of Jews living in Rome - called Christians - to blame for the fire. Both Peter and Paul were martyred by Nero.

Nero's persecution of the church lasted from late summer/early fall of 64 to spring of 68 AD, when he took his own life by having his servant assist him in plunging a short sword through his throat.

The book of Revelation is a near-term prophecy of events that were about to happen as a result of the Jewish war with Rome (started in 66) that culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent disapora of the Jews, from the land God had given them, in 70 AD - all fulfilling both Revelation and the Olivet Discourse.

You can check all this information yourself using Google.
 
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It was He, in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 that we look to Israel and the final generation. Nothing, in 2000 years could be exacted for the last generation until Israel became a nation again.

The Olivet Discourse is only a very small part of the picture Jesus was trying to portray about the future to His disciples: a future he also expressed to the chief priests, scribes and Pharisees in earlier chapters.

To understand Matthew 24, you cannot start with Matthew 24. Start reading what Christ did and what He had to say in Matthew 21, then read all the way through Matthew 26 to get the full picture.

And here is why people who hold to the view that Christ's allusion to the fig tree as a future rebirth of Israel is wrong.

{34} "Therefore, behold, I am sending you [chief priests, scribes and Pharisees] prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, {35} so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. {36} "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

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"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. {38} "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:34-38 (NASB)

The generation of the fig tree is not the generation that would see Israel reborn, but the generation that would see Jerusalem desolated (literally destroyed).

Matthew, chapters 21-26 need to be read together and understood in context. There is no "rainbow and lollipop happy ending" for Jerusalem anywhere in these chapters. It is a dire prophecy given to a people about to commit the ultimate atrocity, and it needs to be understood in those terms.
 
Stormcrow you do live up to your name. You have every right to your preterist view. I however believe that the prophecy you base your beliefs upon was given after the destruction of the temple, therefore I can't believe it.

I am perfectly comfortable with being pre-trib and cannot be persuaded otherwise. Hopefully I'll see you in the air anyway. I will try to not respond to your posts and ask that you return the favor.
 
I however believe that the prophecy you base your beliefs upon was given after the destruction of the temple

Jesus gave all the prophecies I cited from Matthew 23, and He lived and was crucified at least 30 years before the temple's destruction.

Furthermore, I am not a preterist. This isn't about me or my views. It's about the unadulterated words of Jesus Christ Himself.
I am perfectly comfortable with being pre-trib and cannot be persuaded otherwise.


Then you've arrived at a point in your walk wherein you cannot be taught. That's a shame, really.

I will try to not respond to your posts and ask that you return the favor.

What's the point of posting on a public forum if you're not willing to discuss your views with those who disagree with them?
 
I hear your pain. :sad
Far be it from me, and other pretribulationists, to think that we are the ones who instigated Christ's return. It was He, in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 that we look to Israel and the final generation. Nothing, in 2000 years could be exacted for the last generation until Israel became a nation again.

I know of no Scripture that refers to all the Jewish people having to die before Christ's return, nay, but that at least 1/3 of them will live through, to the end through the tribulation. :yes
ok. can you explain to me why the state of isreal isnt reall isreal but only the jews?

and also the parable in matthew 24 doesnt even reference any isreal. you need to read read that and consider what i say.
 
I am once again chuckling. Okay, if you two wish to continue to argue, go for it. I think I'll spend my time trying to uplift Christians here who can use my support.

I am secure in what I believe. There is no sin in that. I still learn daily, and indeed search out the Scriptures on everything I read here. While I don't know y'all's physical ages, I have 44 years in Christ, among other clarifiers. This includes professional training, for what it's worth. :shrug Yes, I have more than my share of learning I think sometimes. :lol

There's a limit for me where discourse becomes foolish talking.
King James Bible Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. Ephesians 5:4

I have reached that limit I think. Time is too short for so much of this for me, and I'm choosing to give support otherwise. :)

I thought I referenced (if not, do forgive me) the parable of the fig tree, which throughout the Bible refers to Israel. Israel is the nation composed of the individual Jews. :heart

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Okay, if you two wish to continue to argue, go for it. I think I'll spend my time trying to uplift Christians here who can use my support.

I didn't think the two activities were mutually exclusive, especially when the matter of truth is involved.

I am secure in what I believe.

So was I - as I once believed as you do. Then I started reading Christ's words - like these - literally:

{28} "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:28 (NASB)

Any doctrine that doesn't see these words for exactly what they mean isn't worth the energy used to defend it, in my humble opinion. Your mileage may vary.

While I don't know y'all's physical ages, I have 44 years in Christ, among other clarifiers. This includes professional training, for what it's worth. :shrug Yes, I have more than my share of learning I think sometimes. :lol

I don't ask people to make these issues about me. I try not to make them about other people. All I ask is if you take Christ and the apostles at their word, one example noted above.

There's a limit for me where discourse becomes foolish talking.

Where do you draw the line for defending what you believe expressed in what you write in a public forum? If you don't want discussion, please get a blog. This isn't a blog.


I thought I referenced (if not, do forgive me) the parable of the fig tree, which throughout the Bible refers to Israel.

Clearly, not in every case:

{29} Then He told them a parable: "Behold the fig tree and all the trees; Luke 21:29 (NASB)

May I suggest that you read Matthew 24 in parallel with Luke 17-21 to understand what Matthew (a Jew) was writing. In many cases, Luke interprets Matthew for us and explains Matthew's allusions to certain things (like the "abomination of desolation.")

If they didn't teach that in your "professional training", I'd get my money back. :thumbsup
 
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