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Why would a christian believe the miracle of Jesus' resurrection....and at the same time deny Eve was formed by Jesus using Adams rib?
 
Why would a christian believe the miracle of Jesus' resurrection....and at the same time deny Eve was formed by Jesus using Adams rib?
How are those even related? If there is no resurrection, there is no Faith. No salvation. And Christianity is a lie.

If Eve being formed from Adam's rib was metaphor (no my belief) or wasn't literally true, it presents no problems to the Faith, the NT message, and the promise of salvation.
 
How are those even related? If there is no resurrection, there is no Faith. No salvation. And Christianity is a lie.

If Eve being formed from Adam's rib was metaphor (no my belief) or wasn't literally true, it presents no problems to the Faith, the NT message, and the promise of salvation.

If there is no resurrection, then the Spirit could not come forth. But therein we find the metaphor of Adam's rib. But do not focus upon the rib; focus on the process. As the story goes, a DEEP SLEEP came upon Adam.

Genesis 2:21
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;


Isaiah 29:9-10
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.

For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.


Acts 2:12-17
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


In a deep sleep: the story of Eve being formed from Adam's rib.
In a deep sleep: the story of the Resurrection being formed in the image of Christ.
 
The truth of the Gospel rests on the resurrection, not Adam's rib. I Corinthians 15: …13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.

Does anyone here suppose that the truth of our Faith rests on Adam's rib or that the veracity of the Adam's rib story is equal to that of the resurrection of Christ?
 
How are those even related? If there is no resurrection, there is no Faith. No salvation. And Christianity is a lie.

If Eve being formed from Adam's rib was metaphor (no my belief) or wasn't literally true, it presents no problems to the Faith, the NT message, and the promise of salvation.

The error lies in "if you don't believe every bit of what I believe, then you don't believe in the resurrection." Or some such. It's destructive to God's church. And yes, you can find the error in almost any branch of Christianity.
 
This is a discussion that will probably go on until the return of Christ. I do believe there are core theological points that require literal understanding in order to support our faith, such as the resurrection. But there are different forms of literature in the Bible, and I don't think our faith needs to depend on whether the Genesis stories are literal history or metaphor.

1 Corinthians 15:12-20New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Our Hope
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
 
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The truth of the Gospel rests on the resurrection, not Adam's rib. I Corinthians 15: …13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.

Does anyone here suppose that the truth of our Faith rests on Adam's rib or that the veracity of the Adam's rib story is equal to that of the resurrection of Christ?
I wonder if some are that way with eschatology.
 
The points being made here are correct. We know Jesus was an historical figure who was actually crucified, who died and who was placed in a tomb. His resurrection cannot be a metaphorical event, much as John Dominic Crossan might like to pretend otherwise. If the tomb was not empty, Christianity goes poof. The resurrection as a real-world historical event is the linchpin of all Christianity.

Whether the Genesis account of Adam and Eve is true in all of its particulars (or any of its particulars) as a real-world historical event is of far less significance. You can certainly believe it is. But if you believe it is partly or wholly metaphorical, you can still be a good Christian.

It is fair to ask, "Why would you believe one and not the other?" Neither is inherently implausible. If you believe "In the beginning God created ...." you should be able to believe anything and everything after that. I think it simply comes down to whether you believe Genesis was even intended to be an historical account. You can answer "no," but you cannot say (as many nevertheless do) that the gospel account of the resurrection was not intended to be an historical account.
 
If there is no resurrection, then the Spirit could not come forth. But therein we find the metaphor of Adam's rib. But do not focus upon the rib; focus on the process. As the story goes, a DEEP SLEEP came upon Adam.

Genesis 2:21
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;


Isaiah 29:9-10
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.

For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.


Acts 2:12-17
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


In a deep sleep: the story of Eve being formed from Adam's rib.
In a deep sleep: the story of the Resurrection being formed in the image of Christ.

There is a spirit of deep sleep? I didn't realize that! Wow, he's one of my favorites. At my age, sleep is my drug of choice. My bed is my dealer, and my alarm clock is the police, lol.
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The truth of the Gospel rests on the resurrection, not Adam's rib. I Corinthians 15: …13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.

Does anyone here suppose that the truth of our Faith rests on Adam's rib or that the veracity of the Adam's rib story is equal to that of the resurrection of Christ?

And I did not say the Demons cannot influence a True Believer, intentionally ignore/quence the Spirit, they can do that but they cannot be indwelt of any demon.

It's actually bigger than the rib and Eve. It's what Eve...as well as Adam did...
1st Tim 2:13 For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. This re-telling of a portion of the Genesis account is presented as literal by paul in his letter to Timothy.

Paul tells Timothy Adam was formed first, then Eve. Those that deny this creation of Eve as presented by Paul also seem to want to claim the resurrection of Jesus...also mentioned by Paul. In other words they deny one thing Paul says then cling to another.

The above verse not only mentions the creation of Eve but it also mentions deception...which helped caused Eve then Adam to fall. Those that make Genesis into a myth would have to deny what Paul wrote. They would denty the origination of human sin via Adam and Eve...and move it out of the bible and exchange it for another reason.
 
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