A poll on hell!

[Soma-Sight]

Comments or suggestions on poll?

 

[reznwerks]

hell

Other = Hell doesn't exist.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Pascal's wager. This thread is to discuss Hell, not Pascal'swager. I think this thread should be moved to christian talk od apologetics.

 

[Sarita1980]

Re: hell

Other = Hell doesn't exist.

You've never been to Huntsville, Alabama. :

 

[Featherbop]

Hell=Eternal Death(Death not as in constantly dying)

 

[Agarash]

yeah many people have different views on hell. Personally Hell to me is the absence of God. This alone for me is hell.. whether you are burning in an oven or not.. i think if God has left the building .. it would be bad to not leave with him and be left behind in the building.

 

[antitox]

Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different things. But the end result is the Lake of Fire. Sin that has not been wiped away by the Blood of Jesus in a person's life cannot be cleansed. That's why the fire is never-ending; the fire never purifies that soul. That's why the life of Jesus was so priceless. Nothing else in existence can cleanse us except that one thing. It is understood that when something is that rare that a price cannot be put on it. So there's no hope for the soul that isn't redeemed.

 

[Sarita1980]

Do you lose your freewill in Heaven?

What happens when you sin in heaven?

Do you get sent to hell?

If people retain themselves (personality) in heaven, they will no doubt sin again. Why would anything be different?

 

[Khristeeanos]

Do you lose your freewill in Heaven?

No.

What happens when you sin in heaven?

The curse is removed, and the knowledge of sin is removed, so there will be no sin in heaven. To say there is would mean that God doesn't know how to create a perfect heaven.

Do you get sent to hell?

See above.

If people retain themselves (personality) in heaven, they will no doubt sin again. Why would anything be different?

See above.

 

[Sarita1980]

The curse is removed, and the knowledge of sin is removed, so there will be no sin in heaven. To say there is would mean that God doesn't know how to create a perfect heaven.

Adam and Eve sinned in paradise, right? There was no curse BEFORE they sinned.

If people all of a sudden become perfect, they have either lost themselves (their personality) or some external force was removed that was causing them to sin.

Please think this one out with me, instead of just saying "God knows what he's doing." That's what these forums are for. (I think.)

 

[antitox]

Adam and Eve sinned in paradise, right? There was no curse BEFORE they sinned.

In the beginning it wasn't like it's going to be in the end. There are some things that will be different.

1. Man was innocent in the beginning, not righteous. He did not have a consciusness of the difference between sin and righteouness and the goodness of God.
2. In the end, man will have a spiritual body, not physical. No limitations in communing with God. The physical body (fleshly nature) is corrupt from the fall and affects the soul.
3. No unclean spirits.

If people all of a sudden become perfect, they have either lost themselves (their personality) or some external force was removed that was causing them to sin.

See above.

 

[Sarita1980]

2. In the end, man will have a spiritual body, not physical. No limitations in communing with God. The physical body (fleshly nature) is corrupt from the fall and affects the soul.

"Life" in heaven still needs a context. A setting...like or unlike we have on Earth.

Will it just be like some heroin high, or will it require interaction between people and learning, and all the other things that make being alive exciting?

If there's no context, there's no life.

Eternity is a long time if you have no context in which to do anything.

 

[antitox]

2. In the end, man will have a spiritual body, not physical. No limitations in communing with God. The physical body (fleshly nature) is corrupt from the fall and affects the soul.

"Life" in heaven still needs a context. A setting...like or unlike we have on Earth.

Will it just be like some heroin high, or will it require interaction between people and learning, and all the other things that make being alive exciting?

If there's no context, there's no life.

Eternity is a long time if you have no context in which to do anything.

The life of God is so much more full and active than anything on earth, because earth is fallen from the purity an fullness of what it once had. It is difficult for one that is not born again because to see this because there is nothing to compare this life with, and without that, this life will seem quite fine.
No heroin high wth the Lord, but joy because His nature is that of a positive existence. To be in God's presence, swallowed up by the life of the Spirit, with a clearer mind than anything you can imagine, colors that are beyond what you see on earth, unshakeable confidence, total peace of mind, and resoluteness of purpose.
God has many things there to do, and will put His people in charge of what He wants looked after. It will be absolutely exciting, way beyond earthly existence. Revelation describes the New Jerusalem; more beautiful than anything here. His people will dwell together with Him.

 

[Sarita1980]

The life of God is so much more full and active than anything on earth, because earth is fallen from the purity an fullness of what it once had. It is difficult for one that is not born again because to see this because there is nothing to compare this life with, and without that, this life will seem quite fine.
No heroin high wth the Lord, but joy because His nature is that of a positive existence. To be in God's presence, swallowed up by the life of the Spirit, with a clearer mind than anything you can imagine, colors that are beyond what you see on earth, unshakeable confidence, total peace of mind, and resoluteness of purpose.
God has many things there to do, and will put His people in charge of what He wants looked after. It will be absolutely exciting, way beyond earthly existence. Revelation describes the New Jerusalem; more beautiful than anything here. His people will dwell together with Him.

Purpose? What purpose can there be if everything is perfect?

Life is motivated by needs. If we have no needs in heaven to fulfill what will we have to motivate ourselves? What will we have to do?

The reason people get out of bed and go to school, or go to work is because needs were implanted in them.

1 Hunger drive
2. Sexual drive
3. Shelter need
4. love need
5. affiliation need

These are artifical drives and needs implanted into us.

If heaven is to be enjoyable it will require that more needs are implanted into us, and then the fulfilment of that need is satisfied.

That's what life is.

If that's not what heaven is, it is definetely just a cosmic high...and I don't see that being better than the Nirvanic state we had before we had consciousness.

 

[bibleberean]

Fallen man is incapable of understanding the eternal happiness of heaven.

Man bounces between pain and sufferring and pleasure and joy.

God has prepared a something so glorious for those who have placed their faith in the finished work of His Son on the cross that it is beyone our capability to fathom.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

There will be no more pain in heaven nor suffering. The best state of being and happiness a person can imagine will fall short of what Almighty God will give to those who love Him.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Now one should miss out!

 

[Sarita1980]

Fallen man is incapable of understanding the eternal happiness of heaven.

Man bounces between pain and sufferring and pleasure and joy.

God has prepared a something so glorious for those who have placed their faith in the finished work of His Son on the cross that it is beyone our capability to fathom.

This is a way of shutting down minds and questions.

My mind is capable of understanding what happiness is just fine, thank you.

The next technique that was used on laypeople was to take the tone, "how dare you question what God has in store in Heaven?"

They are meant to shut-down questions and critical thinking.

If heaven and hell exists, true happiness of caring people is impossible because they will be ever mindful of their fellow humans in hell.

 

[Pale^Rider**]

Fallen man is incapable of understanding the eternal happiness of heaven.

Man bounces between pain and sufferring and pleasure and joy.

God has prepared a something so glorious for those who have placed their faith in the finished work of His Son on the cross that it is beyone our capability to fathom.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

There will be no more pain in heaven nor suffering. The best state of being and happiness a person can imagine will fall short of what Almighty God will give to those who love Him.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Now one should miss out!

Perfect response....just perfect.......well done.

 

[Sarita1980]

Perfect response....just perfect.......well done.

It would have been a good response to a third-world serf, field worker with no education, I suppose...

But just saying, "you can't imagine" doesn't cut it with me.



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[bibleberean]

C'mon,

Don't let your lack of education and where you were born be a hindrance. It is nothing to be ashamed of...

Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

Education can be another word for "brainwashed".

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

 

[Pale^Rider**]

It would have been a good response to a third-world serf, field worker with no education, I suppose...

Proverbs 18:6, "A fool's lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating."