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A ROMAN MIRACLE

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...............A ROMAN MIRACLE

A pretty maid, a Protestant, was to a Catholic wed;
To love all Bible truths and tales, quite early she's been bred.
It sorely grieved her husband's heart that she would not comply,
And join the Mother Church of Rome and heretics deny.

So day by day he flattered her, but still she saw no good
Would ever come from bowing down to idols made of wood.
The Mass, the host, the miracles, were made but to deceive;
And transubstantiation, too, she'd never dare believe.

He went to see his clergyman and told him his sad tale.
"My wife is an unbeliever, sir; you can perhaps prevail;
For all your Romish miracles my wife has strong aversion,
To really work a miracle may lead to her conversion."

The priest went with the gentleman-he thought to gain a prize.
He said, "I will convert her, sir, and open both her eyes."
So when they came into the house, the husband loudly cried,
The priest has come to dine with us!" “He's welcome," she replied.

And when, at last. the meal was o'er, the priest at once began,
To teach his hostess all about the sinful state of man;
The greatness of our Savior's love, which Christians can't deny,
To give Himself a sacrifice and for our sins to die.

"I will return tomorrow, lass, prepare some bread and wine;
The sacramental miracle will stop your soul's decline."
"I'll bake the bread," the lady said. “You may," he did reply,
"And when you've seen this miracle, convinced you'll be, say I."

The priest did come accordingly, the bread and wine did bless.
The lady asked, “Sir, is it changed?" The priest answered, "Yes.
It's changed from common bread and wine to truly flesh and blood;
Begorra, lass, this power of mine has changed it into God!"

So having blessed the bread and wine, to eat they did prepare.
The lady said unto the priest. “I warn you to take care,
For half an ounce of arsenic was mixed right in the batter,
But since you have its nature changed, it cannot really matter."

The priest was struck real dumb-he looked as pale as death.
The bread and wine fell from his hands and he did gasp for breath.
"Bring me my horse!" the priest cried, "This is a cursed home!"
The lady replied, “Begone; tis you who shares the curse of Rome."

The husband, too, he sat surprised, and not a word did say.
At length he spoke, “My dear," said he, “the priest has run away;
To gulp such mummery and tripe, I'm not for sure, quite able;
I'll go with you and we'll renounce this Roman Catholic fable."

– Author unknown
 
That was terrible!

The "unknown author" of this poem has no idea what Catholics believe about the Eucharist past the changing of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Transubstatiation, meaning going across substance, invovle a change of substance, not accidents. The appearance of bread and wine, accidents, do nto change, but the substance, the "whatness" of this bread and wine change.

And on a canonical point, the presence of arsenic would hinder the confection of the host.

Yet again nice try.
 
notapseudonym said:
That was terrible!

The "unknown author" of this poem has no idea what Catholics believe about the Eucharist past the changing of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Transubstatiation, meaning going across substance, invovle a change of substance, not accidents. The appearance of bread and wine, accidents, do nto change, but the substance, the "whatness" of this bread and wine change.

And on a canonical point, the presence of arsenic would hinder the confection of the host.

Yet again nice try.

While clearly a work of fiction, you actually do make an interesting point - should this be counted as Godly - writting about the purposeful poisoning?
 
Godly or not is not the point. It just proves the lack of protetstant understanding.
 
notapseudonym said:
Godly or not is not the point. It just proves the lack of protetstant understanding.

Not at all - I believe it does follow the understanding. You, yourself said:

Transubstatiation, meaning going across substance, invovle a change of substance, not accidents. The appearance of bread and wine, accidents, do nto change, but the substance, the "whatness" of this bread and wine change.

Adding arsenic to the bread doesn't change the appearance of the bread. It changes the 'whatness". - the 'substance' of the bread and wine.
 
The Church has specific "rules," if you will, when it comes to the composition of the host. The host can only be made of bread and water, anything else added to it, such as arsenic, would not be "candiate" to confection. The consecration would not take place since the correct matter is not present.
This gets into a very technical field that not an expert on and deals with the matter and form of a sacrament.
You may ask where Rome came up with these guide line.....in this case it basically goes back to the unleavened bread Christ used at the first consecration, Holy Thursday, the Last Supper.
 
Just think of all of the Roman Catholics who are going to die in their sins because there were other impurities in the "host" then just "bread and water"! :x

Or better yet, the "host" is blessed by a homosexual pedophile priest for the poor laity of that parish. 8-)
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
Solo? Art thou a protetstant?
No, I am not a protestant. The label "Protestant" is a Roman Catholic term for non-catholic, non-orthodox Christians who they believe are protesting against the true church. The true church is the body of Christ where Jesus himself is the head as He is risen and is alive!

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, born again, born of God, saved by the shed blood of my Saviour Jesus Christ and looking forward to the resurrection afforded me by Him alone, just as he was resurrected. I am against the enemy who infiltrates people's lives with lies and deceptions so that in this world he can be worshipped for the short time that he will be here. I am against all false teachers, unsound doctrines, the lies of satan, and the deceptions placed upon us by his minions. I believe in the Victory that every believer has in the Lord Jesus Christ and may God have the Glory in ALL things. May those who preach another gospel than the Gospel of Jesus Christ be accursed.
 
Solo said:
No, I am not a protestant. The label "Protestant" is a Roman Catholic term for non-catholic, non-orthodox Christians who they believe are protesting against the true church. The true church is the body of Christ where Jesus himself is the head as He is risen and is alive!

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, born again, born of God, saved by the shed blood of my Saviour Jesus Christ and looking forward to the resurrection afforded me by Him alone, just as he was resurrected. I am against the enemy who infiltrates people's lives with lies and deceptions so that in this world he can be worshipped for the short time that he will be here. I am against all false teachers, unsound doctrines, the lies of satan, and the deceptions placed upon us by his minions. I believe in the Victory that every believer has in the Lord Jesus Christ and may God have the Glory in ALL things. May those who preach another gospel than the Gospel of Jesus Christ be accursed.

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notapseudonym said:
Godly or not is not the point. It just proves the lack of protetstant understanding.
Oh, so Catholics don't see the bread and wine as Jesus Christ. Is that correct? If so, this catholic psoter disagrees with you:


If the bread and wine is just a symbol: then how come if you have un-confessed sin that you can be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord?[/

So it's apparently the Catholics who are cofused about what the Eucharist means. ;-)

The catholics don't realize that eating bread and drinking wine at Communions is in remembrance of Jesus. Jesus Christ cannot be bought at the grocery store. Unbelievable. :roll:
 
Here's something to make some peoples' hair curl. While debating the communion/Eucharist, I believe this can be kept in the home like the Passover. It is the NT "version" of the Passover. As a believer in Christ, and a son of God, I have the authority to preside over my family with this observation.

I think both catholics and protestants feel that this should be done by clergy, which only shows their bondage in understanding it.
 
tim_from_pa said:
Here's something to make some peoples' hair curl. While debating the communion/Eucharist, I believe this can be kept in the home like the Passover. It is the NT "version" of the Passover. As a believer in Christ, and a son of God, I have the authority to preside over my family with this observation.

I think both catholics and protestants feel that this should be done by clergy, which only shows their bondage in understanding it.

I am with you in this...I have done the same.
I have even baptized people in my bath tub.....
 
tim_from_pa said:
Here's something to make some peoples' hair curl. While debating the communion/Eucharist, I believe this can be kept in the home like the Passover. It is the NT "version" of the Passover. As a believer in Christ, and a son of God, I have the authority to preside over my family with this observation.

I think both catholics and protestants feel that this should be done by clergy, which only shows their bondage in understanding it.
Tim is correct. Tim, you said a mouthful. :)
 
tim_from_pa said:
I think both catholics and protestants feel that this should be done by clergy, which only shows their bondage in understanding it.

This is the result of an incorrect or incomplete notion of what the Eucharist IS and WHY a priest in the person of Christ offers the Sacrifice (Himself) to the Father in heaven.

If a person believes that the Eucharist is a symbol, then who needs priests? And this explains the Protestant Reformation's attempt to call the Eucharist a symbol - then they could be "free of the Roman priesthood". No sacrifice, no priests.

Regards
 
I've asked this before a few times... no one answered.

What does the actual word Eucharist mean? (I know, but please explain it to the forum at large)
 
francisdesales said:
This is the result of an incorrect or incomplete notion of what the Eucharist IS and WHY a priest in the person of Christ offers the Sacrifice (Himself) to the Father in heaven.

If a person believes that the Eucharist is a symbol, then who needs priests? And this explains the Protestant Reformation's attempt to call the Eucharist a symbol - then they could be "free of the Roman priesthood". No sacrifice, no priests.
Can you please explain as precisely as possible what you believe the Eucharist actually is and on what grounds you base your position.
 
Let me also ask another question that will pertain to saints ''this'' side of the cross...Who are priest?...I know the answer, but would be curious if others know this.....as well....
 
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