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Knotical

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What can be gained by reading the bible again?
Nothing, if the Holy Spirit has not opened your eyes to the truth. Which, by the way, is the single most important step to becoming a Christian. And if that has never happened, as your testimony suggests, then you were never a Christian. But, really, only God knows that for sure.
 
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What can be gained by reading the bible again?
hello tears4fears, dirtfarmer here

The bible is not a science book but it does contain scientific facts that were recorded long before science discovered them. One such thing is "thermal vents" on the bottom of seas. If the bible is correct about those, then why would I not believe what is revealed in it.
 
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To me god is a figment, because it has no substantial substance which any of my senses can rely on.

If you look closely, you'll see that the substance of your god or gods are reliant on subjective experiential information. Nothing you can demonstrate in applied science.
I'm going to have to disagree with people on this one. Everything you see proves God.

Romans 1:20-21 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 
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There are many religions (Groups) who make truth claims, claims that are absolute in nature. Does this not shut the door to further learning and understanding, does this not make people stop a continuation of the quest for knowledge?

What more does anyone need to know, once they believe they have the truth (Note: I say believe here, and not "Knowing" the truth)

I would think that when you really know something, you can also demonstrate what you know factually. I have yet to come across any believer who can demonstrate their beliefs and ground them on facts. This is because of the subjective nature of belief itself, which is a cause for experiential information only.
Take a step back from the words you're using for a second to look at them closely.

There is no difference between truth and absolute truth. Truth is truth in both small matters and in large ones. It takes a detective who seeks out clues to find out the truth behind a crime. Many clues turn out to be small points, but they can contrast greatly on the motives of the criminals, or the discriptions of the criminals. Other clues are giant flashing neon lights.

If you treat finding God in the same manner then you'll be able to see that there are many clues that show that God exists. Or if not God, then something else exists that is more then just us. There is no reason to believe that there is no spiritual or supernatural forces out there. There is actually plenty out there that can point to God, and not just a supernatural force.

If you want a start. Look into prayer and specifically answered prayers. Look into modern day stories of angels. But if you want a head start on all of this for answers instead of just clues read the bible. If God exists (He does), and wants to tell us something and have a record of it (as He's done), then He would be able to have the bible written and preserve it so that it does not lose it's message or meaning, regardless of age or language. If God exists and it was important to Him to reach out to us throughout several generations then the bible is a very likely outcome.

Start at both ends though. Look for clues that God exists today. (Answered prayers and other spiritual experiences point to that conclusion). And look at the Jewish portions of the bible, the Old Testament. If you are honest and sincere, then you will find what I found when I searched. God exists. The Old Testament is from Him. And when you get to the New Testament, hopefully you will find the same conclusions there too. That Jesus is from God too, and the basis (scripture) of Christianity is true as well.
 

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Here's something else I will offer for you to consider, tears4fears. As a former non-believer myself, I understand your skepticism but as long as you hold on to that barrier so tightly with both hands, you will continue to struggle.

Jesus said, "Ask and it will be given to you. Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will be opened." (paraphrased from my memory) For this to come to pass it will require that you ask, seek, and knock with sincerity for Jesus knows your heart.

Jesus also said, "I stand at the door and knock. For those who open the door I will come in and be with them." (paraphrased from my memory) Allow yourself to be vulnerable to Him and open that door. Leave the dead-bolt locked and you may never find out what is on the other side.

I know it is scary because it means you have to let your guard down and I have been there. I have not met anyone that has opened that door to disappointment.
 
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Believers can prove the existence of God to non-believers no more than non-believers can prove to believers that He doesn't. Archeology, history, eye-witness testimony, and reason can be used to open the mind of the non-believer. Only God will open the heart.

If you are closed to the possibility and intentionally disbelieving in Him, you will not experience Him. To the believer, He is tangible and fully experiential. I believe you have probably isolated yourself to the opinions of skeptics with an agenda, because there are extremely knowledgeable and convincing believers who are available on YouTube and other sites who defy the misconception that scholars and people of science must conclude that He doesn't exist and the biblical accounts of Christ are false.

You are welcome here as long as your agenda is to ask questions and respectfully discuss faith-related matters. To reba's point, it is not a place for you to scoff or attempt to dissuade.
So you are here on a Christian site to share the testimony of your falling away or apostasy. In doing so you hope to free the minds of backwaters hillbillies who reside here.

Do I have your condescending precis correct above?

Or did I leave out the meekness of such an approach. That you are posting here to truly help us out? How kind!

Oh and if you don't want to get a Reba torpedo I'd back off on the little "g" for God. Such is a non starter as the Christians who post here know God personally.
See, the more Christians act like turkeys to me, the more it convinces me it's not the right path.
 
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You might see the recent thread I started in the Apologetics forum under the title "Belief vs. Knowledge." It went downhill pretty fast, as they always do, but I think my original post in that forum does address what you're getting at.
Post the link.
 
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2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” Malachi 1:2-3

Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Romans 9:13
What are you trying to say exactly.
 
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Nothing, if the Holy Spirit has not opened your eyes to the truth. Which, by the way, is the single most important step to becoming a Christian. And if that has never happened, as your testimony suggests, then you were never a Christian. But, really, only God knows that for sure.
And he's keeping it a secret.
 
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Its not just belief.....

Its a decision to follow Christ qnd His teqchings or not to follow him....

Faith is a choice....
You choose to believe and follow him...
Or you choose not to belive and not to follow Him.....

JEusus asked many to follow Him but sadly
Most decided to love the world and the things of the world....
Instead of forsaking all and following Him.....
 
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It amazes me how atheists are more interested in my religion than I am.

Should be charging us rent for all that space we are taking up in their brains.

I do not believe hell exists as punishment so much as it exists to keep bad souls out of Heaven and annoying the faithful.
 

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I was serious once, but those day's are gone now.
If this is true, your response to the question below is "no".
You are here on a Christian site.

Are you seeking Christ?
Either those days aren't entirely over, and you are here with integrity to consider the possibility, or they truly are, and you are here for other less honest reasons. If it's the former, good. If it's the latter, this comment below is ironic, and you should consider the path you're on.
See, the more Christians act like turkeys to me, the more it convinces me it's not the right path.
 
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hello tears4fears, dirtfarmer here

The bible is not a science book but it does contain scientific facts that were recorded long before science discovered them. One such thing is "thermal vents" on the bottom of seas. If the bible is correct about those, then why would I not believe what is revealed in it.
Because it take's more than a few facts to establish a theory.
 
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It amazes me how atheists are more interested in my religion than I am.

Should be charging us rent for all that space we are taking up in their brains.

I do not believe hell exists as punishment so much as it exists to keep bad souls out of Heaven and annoying the faithful.
Hell is a place of lost rainbow's.
 
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