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I've been reading a book called: In the realm of Hungry Ghosts by Gabor Mate, MD.
http://www.amazon.com/Realm-Hungry-Ghosts-Encounters-Addiction/dp/155643880X

One speaker I've heard describes Addiction as a disease in this way, which meets the medical criteria as a disease.
1. It has a cause
2. It manifests itself
3. It has a treatment.

First, addiction isn't just drugs. The Author puts it this way, (and I'm paraphrasing). Passion and addiction are very similar as far as what motivates them. However, Passion builds up, Addiction destroys.
The Jewish author uses Moses and the burning bush as an example. The fire (passion) consumes, but it does not destroy (addiction).

In other chapters, he talks about the physical nature of addiction as it pertains to the various parts of the brain. When it comes to reason, he speaks of "white matter" in the brain that resides in the frontal cortex. Those with lower "white matter" are more prone to drug abuse or addiction. Not because they are "stupid" though. I'll try to address that. Basically, physical feeling and emotional feelings occupy the same brain receptors. The connection of bonding, love and acceptance (peace) is issued by endorphins and the opiod receptors in the brain. If a child has experienced separation as a child, these receptors don't develop normally. The author uses the example of thumb sucking and rocking as examples of separation anxiety in children. (dont' read too much into that). Opiates such as Oxycotin, Morphine and Herion give the feeling of love, acceptance and block painful memories. This is why abused children with emotional pain are more acceptable to opiate addiction.

The feeling of excitement and joy comes from dopamine. Crack, Cocaine and Crystal Meth elevate dopamine by 1500 percent. Do you know that urge and excitement you get right before you get something you want? That sensation comes from dopamine. People who bungee jump have elevated amounts of dopamine for 30 minutes after their jump. Crack and Meth users start the dopamine rush just holding the needle before they inject it. From a smaller scale, you may experience a dopamine rush just before taking a bite of your favorite food etc.

Thing is, when one uses drugs, the mind tries to balance itself out, so it eliminates the receptacles. This is why a tolerance to the drug occurs. The mind is actively trying to balance itself out. These same receptacles are the ones that regulate rational thought, when they are reduced, so it the persons ability to rationalize.

Chronic drug (and nicotine) use shuts down so many receptacles, sometimes the mind never recovers.

I'd like to quote the author here:

For all their complexities, emotions exist for the very basic purpose: to initiate and maintain activities necessary for survival. In a nutshell, they modulate two drives that are absolutely essential to animal life, including human life: attachment and aversion. We always want to move toward something that is positive, inviting and nurturing, and repel or withdraw from something threatening, distasteful, or toxic.
These attachments and aversion emotions are evoked by both physical and psychological stimuli, and when properly developed, our emotional brain is unerring, reliable guide to life. If it facilitates self-interaction and also makes possible love, compassion, and healthy social interaction. When impaired or confused, as it often is in the complex and stressed circumstances prevailing our "civilized" society, the emotional brain leads us to nothing but trouble. Addiction is one of it's chief dysfunctions.
 
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[QUOTE="StoveBolts, post: 1034945, member: 60"
One speaker I've heard describes Addiction as a disease in this way, which meets the medical criteria as a disease.
1. It has a cause
2. It manifests itself
3. It has a treatment.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty simplistic definition of a disease. Imagine that your home is always cold during the winter.
  1. It has a cause (your heater doesn't work)
  2. It manifests itself (your home is cold)
  3. It has a treatment (fix the heater)
Is it a disease?

The TOG​
 
Since the secular world does not accept the problem of sin, everything is a "disease". According to God, sin is the the "virus" that has infected humanity, and the blood of Christ applied to the soul is the remedy (Heb 9:13,14). Christians can be overcomers with the blood of Christ and the Word of God (Rev 12:11).
 
[QUOTE="StoveBolts, post: 1034945, member: 60"
One speaker I've heard describes Addiction as a disease in this way, which meets the medical criteria as a disease.
1. It has a cause
2. It manifests itself
3. It has a treatment.

That's a pretty simplistic definition of a disease. Imagine that your home is always cold during the winter.
  1. It has a cause (your heater doesn't work)
  2. It manifests itself (your home is cold)
  3. It has a treatment (fix the heater)
Is it a disease?

The TOG​
[/QUOTE]

I don't think heaters are included within the term, but you bring up a good analogy.

1. Something within the heater in your house isn't working properly.
2. Your house gets cold.
3. You have the heater inspected, find the cause and repair it.

1. Your serotonin levels are naturally low from birth.
2. You feel depressed all the time, no energy and sluggish.
3. You take an anti-depressant which blocks the reuptake of the neurotransmitter, thus increasing the duration.

In this case, you haven't increased serotonin. You've only suspended it over longer durations.
This is considered a disease.

Addiction is the same.
 
Since the secular world does not accept the problem of sin, everything is a "disease". According to God, sin is the the "virus" that has infected humanity, and the blood of Christ applied to the soul is the remedy (Heb 9:13,14). Christians can be overcomers with the blood of Christ and the Word of God (Rev 12:11).
Lots of people with a pocket full of Jesus have died with a needle in their arm...
Do you call the cold a disease? How about HIV? What about mental illness? Is chronic depression a sin? What about bi-polar? Or are the also both a disease?
For most people, addiction is never an issue. They can "play in the sin" and then walk away and live a repentant life. Others can't walk away once they've entered into that sin and it has very little to do with choice.
 
Lots of people with a pocket full of Jesus have died with a needle in their arm...
Do you call the cold a disease? How about HIV? What about mental illness? Is chronic depression a sin? What about bi-polar? Or are the also both a disease?
For most people, addiction is never an issue. They can "play in the sin" and then walk away and live a repentant life. Others can't walk away once they've entered into that sin and it has very little to do with choice.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't trying to make an analogy. I was pointing out that the definition you gave - cause, manifestation and treatment - could be applied to many things that obviously aren't diseases, such as a broken heater. For something to be considered a disease, there has to be more than just those three things.

The TOG​
 
Malachi
Here is something else to consider. The 'war on drugs' hasn't solved the problem. If anything, it's put a larger strain on our prison system and local / state economy.
Research shows that if you can help a person with addiction get and stay clean, they stop stealing. Why? Because they don't need to find that next fix. Crime actually drops and the addict can now get a job and support themselves. (Ephesians 4) As a result, they become viable contributing members of society.

We treat cancer with medical funding and we treat mental illness with medical funding. Why do you think the insurance companies don't want addiction to be deemed as a disease? Of course, they don't want to take on the cost of actually helping these people.
 
Lots of people with a pocket full of Jesus have died with a needle in their arm...
Do you call the cold a disease? How about HIV? What about mental illness? Is chronic depression a sin? What about bi-polar? Or are the also both a disease?
For most people, addiction is never an issue. They can "play in the sin" and then walk away and live a repentant life. Others can't walk away once they've entered into that sin and it has very little to do with choice.
Well I am an addict and I can tell you chemicals seem more powerful than prayer. I prayed for 13 years for recovery and I did everything else I could do to escape, but the addiction kept catching up with me. Prayer wasn't effective because it couldn't remove the chemicals that the addiction lived on and secondly it couldn't replace the chemicals that my brain needed to keep my brain functioning normally. The only thing pray did was give me a temporary coping mechanism at times but after 13 years I just quit praying and did something about it.
 
I think you missed my point. I wasn't trying to make an analogy. I was pointing out that the definition you gave - cause, manifestation and treatment - could be applied to many things that obviously aren't diseases, such as a broken heater. For something to be considered a disease, there has to be more than just those three things.

The TOG​
I didn't miss your point. I just turned it and used it as an analogy... and a poor one at that. I should have made the case that your heater was too small for you home.
Ever hear of KISS (Keep it simple stupid).

Chapters 13 through 16 (I'm in chapter 16 now) get into the science of endorphins, dopamine, receptors, synaptics, the synaptic space and cleft, receptors, neuron's, neurostransmitters ect. ect ect. It's all very fascinating as it relates to the simplicity of a disease.
 
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Well I am an addict and I can tell you chemicals are more powerful than prayer. I prayed for 13 years for recovery and I did everything else I could do to escape, but the addiction kept catching up with me. Prayer wasn't effective because it couldn't remove the chemicals that the addiction lived on and secondly it couldn't replace the chemicals that my brain needed to keep my brain functioning normally. The only thing pray did was give me a temporary coping mechanism at times but after 13 years I just quit praying and did something about it.
I believe you. You should pick up a copy of this book. I can't put it down.

Addiction runs heavily within my family and I have lost many to addiction, both friends and family. I am a board member for Families Against Narcotics and I attend weekly Naranon meetings. I even bring recovering addicts into the church youth groups as a ministry I'm trying to start. What I'm talking about is addictive personalities, not passionate personalities. I'm always putting myself in check, and recheck, even today.

What I'm beginning to understand is that because of the chemical makeup of an addicts brain, addiction is something that you will have to regulate the rest of your life. When I was young and fighting my own addictions, I thought it was just a matter of choice and will power. It is to a degree, but for those struggling with the disease, it's about those primal connections of love and joy which drugs facilitate.

I know a recovering addict who's been clean now for going on a year. She is such an inspiration. She's got a job for the first time in her life and she's got her own apartment as well. She even just got her liscence for the first time. She's almost 30 years old. God is good.
 
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Sounds a lot like..

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

The cure is Jesus Christ..

tob
 
I believe you. You should pick up a copy of this book. I can't put it down.

Addiction runs heavily within my family and I have lost many to addiction, both friends and family. I am a board member for Families Against Narcotics and I attend weekly Naranon meetings. I even bring recovering addicts into the church youth groups as a ministry I'm trying to start.

What I'm beginning to understand is that because of the chemical makeup of an addicts brain, addiction is something that you will have to regulate the rest of your life. When I was young and fighting my own addictions, I thought it was just a matter of choice and will power. It is to a degree, but for those struggling with the disease, it's about those primal connections of love and joy which drugs facilitate.

I know a recovering addict who's been clean now for going on a year. She is such an inspiration. She's got a job for the first time in her life and she's got her own apartment as well. She even just got her liscence for the first time. She's almost 30 years old. God is good.
If I was to play the christian just for the sake of this very enlightening discussion. I could say that the reason god doesn't remove and replace all the chemicals necessary for a instant pain free recovery, would be that those damaging chemicals can't be made into nothing. (I mean to stop existing) maybe god could send those chemicals into something else like an animal, but then you have to think about the physiology here.

Christian mode off.

Now I don't know if that is true, and I still believe that all those failed prayers are in a way a different answer. But it's one that irrevocably draws me away from trusting faith healing.
 
If I was to play the christian just for the sake of this very enlightening discussion. I could say that the reason god doesn't remove and replace all the chemicals necessary for a instant pain free recovery, would be that those damaging chemicals can't be made into nothing. (I mean to stop existing) maybe god could send those chemicals into something else like an animal, but then you have to think about the physiology here.

Christian mode off.

Now I don't know if that is true, and I still believe that all those failed prayers are in a way a different answer. But it's one that irrevocably draws me away from trusting faith healing.
Oh yeah and congrats on helping addicts.
 
poetofparables

I know a man who had a spiritual experience while at a preachers house for the first time when his wife prayed over him. No, they were not "faith healers". He was addicted to diloxin (sp) and only injected heroin when he couldn't get the latter. God delivered him from his addiction and he didn't even go through withdrawl, dope sickness or anything.

A year later he relapsed and the Lord wasn't so friendly to him... Dope sickness etc. He now does prison ministries and I dearly love this man.
 
Sounds a lot like..

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

The cure is Jesus Christ..

tob
And I see you know very little about addiction as well...
You probably think if they experience enough suffering for their bad choices, they'll get their life straight huh?
 
poetofparables

I know a man who had a spiritual experience while at a preachers house for the first time when his wife prayed over him. No, they were not "faith healers". He was addicted to diloxin (sp) and only injected heroin when he couldn't get the latter. God delivered him from his addiction and he didn't even go through withdrawl, dope sickness or anything.

A year later he relapsed and the Lord wasn't so friendly to him... Dope sickness etc. He now does prison ministries and I dearly love this man.
Interesting.
 
turnorburn

BTW, I don't want you to get me wrong. Yes, the answer is Jesus. But when saying that, we also have to say the community of Jesus, which is us, the church because we are "His" body.
Jesus is the answer for somebody suffering with addiction just like somebody suffering from cancer. We wouldn't deny a cancer patient treatment at the hospital, and we shouldn't deny somebody with addiction the same medical consideration.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
 
And congratulations on your sobriety! Woot woot! You rock!
Im not fully out yet stove, iv beat one addiction, working on a second and the third one im like using to fight the others.

You have play dirty, because addictions don't play fair.
 
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