again and again i hear this

[reba]

It is so very sad... .. tis nothing new this preachers kid grew up hearing it.. in this form or that ... like a flock of vultures on road kill

is how we look to the world...

most of us here should/could lean how to talk to one another just by reading how the guys in the scriptures talked to others... Here on this board Chopper has gone out of his way to be kind in disagreement .
His posting have tugged at my heart to apply God given grace to others ..

The world should not be rightfully saying those Christians are so hateful to one another .. Reading here, sadly we know it is true..

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

 

[jasonc]

It is so very sad... .. tis nothing new this preachers kid grew up hearing it.. in this form or that ... like a flock of vultures on road kill

is how we look to the world...

most of us here should/could lean how to talk to one another just by reading how the guys in the scriptures talked to others... Here on this board Chopper has gone out of his way to be kind in disagreement .
His posting have tugged at my heart to apply God given grace to others ..

The world should not be rightfully saying those Christians are so hateful to one another .. Reading here, sadly we know it is true..

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Guilty

 

[LovethroughDove]

Reba, I had wanted to post something like this also. We all wouldn't be on here if the love for God wasn't there. I know, and I'm sure others know what it's like when the devil takes aim at you. He tries to separate people and pin them against one another and pull up false accusations to try and create a wedge between people.

 

[JohnDB]

Extending grace (unmerited, undeserved, undeserving favor) to others is supposed to be our "claim to fame".

When insulted, we bless,
When struck, turn the other cheek
When spitefully abused, we pray for persecutors.

Walking in humility or humbly means to give respect and honor to all... Even if they have a different perspective on scriptures.
I was watching Hacksaw Ridge. What shocked me about this guy was that he was a SDA. The one denomination I wouldn't have thought would. But it's history. It wasn't cowardice, it was a promise.

America's first (and best, most productive) foreign missionary was a black man who escaped from the Colonists who wished to put this man into slavery.

It's the least amongst us that God esteems the highest in every society.

God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. It's a massive theme repeated throughout the scriptures. Obviously it's a major issue to God. It's a key ingredient of love.

Never once read, "blessed are the most theologically correct…".
Must be a reason.

 

[Runner]

1. Christianity was badly fragmented, and believers were at each other's throats, before the ink was dry on the earliest of the NT documents. Read Paul's letters.
2. There has never been a time in the past 2,000 years that "Christians" were not at war, figuratively or literally, with other "Christians."
3. What now passes for “Christianity” is fragmented into more than 40,000 denominations, a fair percentage of which despise each other and/or do not believe a fair percentage of the others are even Christians.
4. Virtually every denomination has serious internal squabbling.
5. Virtually every church has factions, cliques and internal squabbling.
6. The more rigid one’s beliefs, particularly in regard to Bible inerrancy, the more prone one is to judge other Christians harshly.
7. Because posters can hide behind cloaks of anonymity, Internet forums of all types are far more prone to insults and general nastiness than would be an in-person conversation among the same people. Here, one could assemble 1,000 recent posts from posters who are also Moderators and they would be at a level of nastiness equal to or exceeding that of the community as a whole.
   
   Points 1-7 can all be attributed to human nature, but surely it has to be just a bit troubling that human nature continues to plague to such an extent a religion whose followers claim to be uniquely indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Is "Christianity" different in any objective way from Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam or Atheism? Are the fruits of the Spirit any more evident in "Christianity" than in Judaism, Buddhism or elsewhere? A fair inference is that something is drastically, fundamentally wrong with "Christianity."
   
   In short (1) “Christianity” is largely a bad joke that Jesus would neither recognize nor endorse, (2) by its very nature, any Internet forum is going to represent the worst of “Christianity,” and (3) because many on this forum approach “Christianity” from a perspective of rigid Biblical inerrancy, fussin’ and feudin’ is inevitable.
   
   "One Spirit, One Body, One Forum." Slogans are easy to write, difficult to implement and abide by.
   

 

[Papa Zoom]

I've certainly been guilty of this over the years. I'm embarrassed to say. God's been working on me a long time on this one. I see this sort of behavior in students at school. It saddens me. They are cruel to each other. I also see acts of courage and compassion. We are all so broken only God can fix us. Love never fails. Some of us may not have always run the race well, but we can all finish well. Starting today.

 

[Nathan]

I was listening to the radio just a little bit ago when I ran an errand for work.

Wouldn't you know it, they were talking about this very subject.

He mentioned John 7:16-17 and how Jesus did not argue with those He was speaking to. He just let them know that if they were in God's will then they would know if what He said was true or not. We do often try to convince people that our way is the right way, instead of pointing them to God with our posts. At the same time, we cannot look at others posts as them trying to make us believe their way is the right way all the time, but have the thought that they are trying to point us to God.

I am sure there are times when its painfully obvious that someone is just trying to make you think what they do. But love looks for the best when it can.

The guy also talked about how we shouldn't talk over people's head. I am guilty of that. I like to use big words because I feel they add meaning to a sentence. But, that is not always a good thing. I don't think its bad to use big words, and in today's age where even the most simplest words are abbreviated, its not a bad thing for people to be exposed to "big" words. But his point was when you are presenting the truth of God to someone, it should always be done in a way that little children could understand.

I get that. All to often I have asked a question or tried to understand something from someone and all I get is a bunch of verses and very short hand half sentences/thoughts. It cracks me up especially when its followed with "God will give you insight if He so chooses". lol It does not annoy me like it used to, but it does not add anything to the discussion and still leaves me blank as to what their thoughts are.

 

[Northman]

When the leadership is neck deep in this kind of activity then there really isn't too much hope for others to follow a way they aren't being shown.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

When the leadership is neck deep in this kind of activity then there really isn't too much hope for others to follow a way they aren't being shown.

Jesus said in Mathew 16:6 to be on guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. And elsewhere Jesus spoke against the hypocracy of the same people and the teachers of religous law.

I could be wrong here but the time's I feel puffed up is when I'm trying to teach something, or in disagreement with something. Those are also the same times it's hardest to apply the lessons of Jesus.

 

[reba]

Does showing Christlike love one to another start with the other guy or with ourselves?

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Who is our leader ? some moderator ... A pastor... A TV preacher... Politicians
Christ is our head or should be.. right?

 

[Chopper]

It is so very sad... .. tis nothing new this preachers kid grew up hearing it.. in this form or that ... like a flock of vultures on road kill

is how we look to the world...

most of us here should/could lean how to talk to one another just by reading how the guys in the scriptures talked to others... Here on this board Chopper has gone out of his way to be kind in disagreement .
His posting have tugged at my heart to apply God given grace to others ..

The world should not be rightfully saying those Christians are so hateful to one another .. Reading here, sadly we know it is true..

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

O Reba, thank you for those very kind words. I'll let you and the others who liked what you said in on my secret....Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." If it's true that Christ lives in me, He also lives in the person I'm communicating with. If I insult another member, I'm really insulting Christ who lives in that member.

This Scripture has been my anchor ever since joining CF.net. When I joined, I saw how badly some of the members treated those who they disagreed with, and I purposed in my mind that if at all possible, I would not do that but to be an example. I hope I succeeded, and it looks like I did.

Thanks again Reba.

PS. also, I didn't want this from Reba.

 

[reba]

For you Mr. Chopper
Pro 16:31 The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness.
Pro 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The letter destroys. Just like Christ commanded to Love, because its a commandment people cannot do it because they try to hard to do it and they only judge through the knowledge of good and evil because people who know the law in its depth will judge through it. Its exactly the same thing Paul tried to explain.

"Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died."

The only way to do it is to come to acknowledge your sins have been washed away and your worthy and dont need to live under any commandment from God, then people can just naturally love and walk in light and not feel guilty, and if they do sin they have Christ who forgives.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Anyone who lives under Jesus Commandments are still living under the Law of Moses. Even Jesus said the truth and gave way and path, he then nailed all law to the cross as scripture says, and as Christ said until the time is fullfilled not one jot will be taken away from the law, then he nailed all law to the cross so people are free from living under a command they cannot hold.

Just these two verses give truth.

"Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

"Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died."

The problem is because people know the depth of the knowledge of good and evil they cannot help but judge others through it, always the first to judge others through God's laws thats truth but only brings out the negative.

Jesus leveled everything, no one is more holy that anyone else. I love more than that person. Its a command.

Jesus leveled the field so people can walk naturally and there natural light inside them can grow and they can walk in love and peace as all humans have inside them. Grow the positive energy inside as the negative energy weakens.

 

[Chopper]

Jesus said, if you love me, keep my Commandments.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Jesus said, if you love me, keep my Commandments.

Then he nailed all commandments to the cross. People can live out Christ commandments without being told they must obey them but if they think they must obey them sin springs to life like Paul said and we start judging others through the Law and fail to Love and feel guilty. That's my point. Im not saying Jesus commandments are wrong or not valid, but naturally obeying Jesus is alot more pleasing to God than only doing it because he said so.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Then he nailed all commandments to the cross. People can live out Christ commandments without being told they must obey them but if they think they must obey them sin springs to life like Paul said and we start judging others through the Law and fail to Love and feel guilty. That's my point. Im not saying Jesus commandments are wrong or not valid, but naturally obeying Jesus is alot more pleasing to God than only doing it because he said so.

I think what Jesus was saying is like this: "If you do the things I have told you to do, love each other, think of others more highly than yourselves, serve others in love, live life in humility, if you do these things, you will demonstrate that you really do love me."

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

I think what Jesus was saying is like this: "If you do the things I have told you to do, love each other, think of others more highly than yourselves, serve others in love, live life in humility, if you do these things, you will demonstrate that you really do love me."

Yes but do you do them because Jesus said, or do them because you want to, that is pleasing to God, and not live under the commandment so sin cannot spring to life.

I want to walk in good because good is better, not that im commanded. My mind is being renewed slowely so i only have positive energy. The light inside slowely gets stronger and the darkness slowely fades away.

There is a difference between loving thy neighbour because they want to and loving thy neighbour because there commanded.

That person wanted to walk in light, and that person only tried to walk in light because they were commanded.

 

[JohnDB]

Jesus said, if you love me, keep my Commandments.

Yes,
The commandments He gave immediately preceding this statement.
One was to have faith in Him and the other was to love. I am positive that you knew that though.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Yes but do you do them because Jesus said, or do them because you want to, that is pleasing to God, and not live under the commandment so sin cannot spring to life.

I want to walk in good because good is better, not that im commanded. My mind is being renewed slowely so i only have positive energy. The light inside slowely gets stronger and the darkness slowely fades away.

There is a difference between loving thy neighbour because they want to and loving thy neighbour because there commanded.

That person wanted to walk in light, and that person only tried to walk in light because they were commanded.

I agree. The only meaningful way to obey is to do so from the heart.