Growth America at a Crossroads

[Edward]

I think you said that, but I will reiterate,

this revival is not on the stage, not in some kind of service, but in the heart.​

Exactly. Revival implies someones dead. They need revived. Do we all know how to perform CPR? (Christian Pulmonary Resuscitation).

 

[sourberry]

Isn't crossroads a term describing being double minded? Indecisive or uncertain? We are to be single minded and remain focused upon our Lord always.

You are probably right, I am not very good at idioms. I just imagined roads that cross. And this is where our hearts are.

 

[sourberry]

You are probably right, I am not very good at idioms. I just imagined roads that cross. And this is where our hearts are.

Ok, may be this just applies to me.

 

[reba]

Often i am reminded of the banners and the 'tent revivals' of the 50s... Loud shouting all kinds of going ons... Revival is in the hearts not the big tent... Do we need the big banner? I dont think so , we need live the life .. See His banner over us is love....

 

[Edward]

Well, Websters says that crossroads is a point where a vital decision must be made. We have chosen life as Christians so it is important for us to understand the responsibility that accompanies it. Mainly...be single mined upon the Lord and then He will be able to help many people through us.

We don't need to prepare. Oh sure, store some food. But be single minded. David was single minded and slew Goliath. Moses was single minded and defeated an entire army with nothing more than his staff. Eh?!


a point at which a vital decision must be made.

 

[Deborah13]

My first thought is, absolutely.

My second thought is...what is revival? Where you go to a service somewhere and a man preaches and many people accept the Lord? Huh. Not necessarily. We are revival. We are to spread the Word. That one neighbor you bring to Christ, or that one person in the grocery store that you plant a seed in...means more than one may think. Revival isn't 'out there' somewhere. It is within us. There is the perspective we should have.

Sow the seeds of revival brothers and sisters! It is our Christian duty. Then you walk away from planting a seed and may never know what happened to them. But then the Holy Spirit does His job and goes home with that person watering the seed that you planted in them. That's how revival works!

Each member of the Body doing the job that the Lord has called them to do, whether they be a little toe or an arm. All working together for one cause, sharing the Gospel message, which by the Holy Spirit changes hearts and minds.

 

[sourberry]

Often i am reminded of the banners and the 'tent revivals' of the 50s... Loud shouting all kinds of going ons... Revival is in the hearts not the big tent... Do we need the big banner? I dont think so , we need life the life .. See His banner over us is love....

You are very kind, reba.

Well, Websters says that crossroads is a point where a vital decision must be made. We have chosen life as Christians so it is important for us to understand the responsibility that accompanies it. Mainly...be single mined upon the Lord and then He will be able to help many people through us.

We want to be single minded, as I think. And some are. And some even have the mind of Christ.

But people, and me, are at a crossroads, as I think.

 

[Edward]

You are very kind, reba.



We want to be single minded, as I think. And some are. And some even have the mind of Christ.

But people, and me, are at a crossroads, as I think.

Exactly right brother. The mind of Christ comes through the daily reading of His Word, meditating on it, prayer...and a choice made through the heart and not the mind. First we make the choice, and then the Holy Spirit will come and impart understanding, which is the mind of Christ. I have prayed for you brother.

 

[Claudya]

What is politics?

Would negotiation between Pharaoh and Moses be politics?

God's big on politics

I guess we gotta differ between old and new testament. The old covenant was with the people of Israel. It was between God and a nation. So since God was dealing with humans mostly on the level of nations of course politics mattered because the state of the nation Israel was relevant to whether God would bless or puish them.

But the new covenant is between God and individuals. And sometimes between God and churches. But salvation does no longer depend on being part of Israel. People from any nation can follow Jesus and become friends of God, regardless of how their country is ruled and what policy their government has about gay marriage or abortion or prayers in schools. For those things the people in office who made those decisions will have to answer to God, as individuals. There is no Bible verse thats states new Christians from gentile nations need to change their government into a classical kingdom in order to remain saved, or move to such a place.
Jesus Himself refused to get involved in and used for politics:
in Mark 12:17 (Give to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's) Jesus states that earthly government and heavenly kingdom are two different realms.
John 18:36-38, likewise.
And when Jesus came to Jerusalem one week before He died there He used the symbolism of a king coming to a city triumphantly to establish that He is king, but He didn't do anything politically. He didn't negotiate the retreat of the romans or start an insurrection against them. He didn't comment on the political situation of Israel at all.

 

[jasoncran]

"Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not receive his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Rev. 20:4-5

so theres a end to the reign of Christ?

Daniel says that th kingdom of god has no end.he also said the ancient of days was on the throne of heaven.all visions of god in the tanach are of jesus not father.if you take that literally, then only those that are beheaded reign. the church will not have all its members beheaded. besides paul says in coninthians know ye not we shall judge men and angels?

when did god ever loose his throne? he also said, hevean is my throne, the earth is my footstool. god is always in control. therefore all that goes on, is allowed by god. you are looking for a peaceful sinless reign. god says that will happened at the end. even in the chialism theres murder, sin.

 

[Edward]

I guess we gotta differ between old and new testament. The old covenant was with the people of Israel. It was between God and a nation. So since God was dealing with humans mostly on the level of nations of course politics mattered because the state of the nation Israel was relevant to whether God would bless or puish them.

But the new covenant is between God and individuals. And sometimes between God and churches. But salvation does no longer depend on being part of Israel. People from any nation can follow Jesus and become friends of God, regardless of how their country is ruled and what policy their government has about gay marriage or abortion or prayers in schools. For those things the people in office who made those decisions will have to answer to God, as individuals. There is no Bible verse thats states new Christians from gentile nations need to change their government into a classical kingdom in order to remain saved, or move to such a place.
Jesus Himself refused to get involved in and used for politics:
in Mark 12:17 (Give to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's) Jesus states that earthly government and heavenly kingdom are two different realms.
John 18:36-38, likewise.
And when Jesus came to Jerusalem one week before He died there He used the symbolism of a king coming to a city triumphantly to establish that He is king, but He didn't do anything politically. He didn't negotiate the retreat of the romans or start an insurrection against them. He didn't comment on the political situation of Israel at all.

Because it's worldly, and the mind of Christ is upon heavenly things. The Father is head over Christ and Christ is over man...everything has its order. .It is "like" a government. There is order of things, rules, commandments, etc. Everything He created has to be within and under certain boundaries (I'm not talking about keeping Him in a box either!). After Jesus came, He left us with, Christ in us, the Father's Holy Spirit and His manual. It goes together not one without the other. He is the living Word. And His written Word is the Living Word --His testimony. In His manual is to read/search to know His written Word and as we learn it, "with the help of the Holy Spirit"...it is a process...we learn to hear from Him (in the Spirit) along the way, having a personal relationship with Him, and discerning who is talking to us in order to "test" the spirits in the spiritual world.

We are all different, and He speaks to us differently because we have different jobs, personalities to fit those jobs, different dreams, etc, but His manual is the testimony of Christ as a government, order, rules, commandments, etc. which is the same for us all through The Holy Spirit (&Christ in us) and His written word which all work together.
And the Body of Christ are all under this government..

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

so theres a end to the reign of Christ?

Daniel says that th kingdom of god has no end.he also said the ancient of days was on the throne of heaven.all visions of god in the tanach are of jesus not father.if you take that literally, then only those that are beheaded reign. the church will not have all its members beheaded. besides paul says in coninthians know ye not we shall judge men and angels?

when did god ever loose his throne? he also said, hevean is my throne, the earth is my footstool. god is always in control. therefore all that goes on, is allowed by god. you are looking for a peaceful sinless reign. god says that will happened at the end. even in the chialism theres murder, sin.

What!! Why would you even say that there is an end to the reign of Christ? This is not what that scripture is about. It is about His earthly reign for 1000 years, not that His reign ever ends. If you read the end of the book God creates a new Heaven and new Earth where He rules and reigns forever.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

I guess we gotta differ between old and new testament. The old covenant was with the people of Israel. It was between God and a nation. So since God was dealing with humans mostly on the level of nations of course politics mattered because the state of the nation Israel was relevant to whether God would bless or puish them.

But the new covenant is between God and individuals. And sometimes between God and churches. But salvation does no longer depend on being part of Israel. People from any nation can follow Jesus and become friends of God, regardless of how their country is ruled and what policy their government has about gay marriage or abortion or prayers in schools. For those things the people in office who made those decisions will have to answer to God, as individuals. There is no Bible verse thats states new Christians from gentile nations need to change their government into a classical kingdom in order to remain saved, or move to such a place.
Jesus Himself refused to get involved in and used for politics:
in Mark 12:17 (Give to Cesar what is Cesar's and to God what is God's) Jesus states that earthly government and heavenly kingdom are two different realms.
John 18:36-38, likewise.
And when Jesus came to Jerusalem one week before He died there He used the symbolism of a king coming to a city triumphantly to establish that He is king, but He didn't do anything politically. He didn't negotiate the retreat of the romans or start an insurrection against them. He didn't comment on the political situation of Israel at all.

In Daniel 2:21 it says "He removes kings and raises up kings." I think the Lord is very active in every aspect of earthly things. But, you are right. His kingdom is in heaven not on earth. Just like the Lord we should be more interested in getting people into His heavenly kingdom than worry about the political scene. I get so tired of Christians that want to go to the government and make laws to govern morality when we can't legislate morality. Morality is within us, changing the heart of man is the only way to make this world a more moral place.

 

[jasoncran]

What!! Why would you even say that there is an end to the reign of Christ? This is not what that scripture is about. It is about His earthly reign for 1000 years, not that His reign ever ends. If you read the end of the book God creates a new Heaven and new Earth where He rules and reigns forever.

read one Corinthians 15 where he turns the throne back to the father. that is why I say its a figurative meaning that at present Christ is lead of all that is. next for Christ to become human/god again means that he limits himself. one must travel to worship him. yet well the torah doesn't show that.nor the alleged chapters in Ezekiel where it says ONLY the sons of zadok may enter the holy of holies!