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  1. Eha Aluoja

    Eha Aluoja Guest

    Hello! did read this thread " question about Christ"

    "Hello,
    I am a Christian and have a question regarding the payment that Christ made to cover our sins. We are all sinners and deserve to be punished for our sins. The deserved punishment is eternal death/separation from God. Now, Jesus came to pay the price of our sins - to take the deserved punishment for us. Now if he took our punishment in our place should he not suffer eternal death/punishment from God? This is the logic that my mind puts to it, but I certainly don't like it. What am I missing?"

    what make me angry, that question is now locked and MORE of that - THERE WASNT NOT A SINGLE RIGHT ANSWER !

    lock subject or move it, but at least give the man right answer...
    so i wont sign up in this forum. just pointing out mistakes. what you do, is up to you.
     
  2. reba

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    He also was the first resurrection ..
     
  3. Eugene

    Eugene Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Eha Aluoja, and you are welcome here. I do not know what happened to your post at first other than it was posted in the Foyer Forum as a guest, and before appearing to the membership, a moderator must approve it, and it had only been 48 minutes whereas the notice to us may not have even appeared.

    As to the question you asked, I read concerning Jesus that after His passion He went down in Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? What happened there? Was there mercy shown Him? Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men.

    Now let's explore the consequence Jesus suffered taking our place. In Php 2:6 Jesus, Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. What does this mean? I don't know if the following scripture will clear it up for you, but in 1Cor 15:27 For He (our Father) hath put all things under His (Jesus') feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He (our Father) is excepted, which did put all things under Him (Jesus).
    1Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. (Does this becoming subject the same as Jesus had before in being equal with the Father?) In the following punishment cast on Jesus for our redemption, He will forever now separated from the place, and we read of in Mat 27:46. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? God could not even look on sin. How could this all be? God loved the world so much He gave everything He had.

    Blessings in Christ Jesus.
     
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  4. dirtfarmer

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    hello Eha Aluoja, dirtfarmer here

    I don't know if you are still here but the answer to you question is simple.
    In Leviticus 17:11 it is stated: " For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
    Jesus was God manifest in flesh, similar to ours, yet without sin. So, he could offer his life, by shedding his blood, as a substitute for us. It was Jesus the sinless man that died in our place, yet he was still God.

    In Hebrews 9:12 states; " Neither by the blood( life) of goats and calves, but by his own blood(life) he entered in once into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us."

    Hebrews 9:14, " How much more shall the blood(life) of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God."

    Jesus is alive today but the body that he has is a glorified body and the life of the body is Spirit that is why in Luke Jesus said his body was flesh and bone, not flesh and blood. Because of his blood offered on the altar in heaven, he suffered eternal separation from God by his blood(physical life), but he is alive Spiritually with his glorified body.
     
  5. Cygnus

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    What do you think happened when Jesus cried out...MY God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
     
  6. Eha Aluoja

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    i did go that through by myself and know now, why Jesus did cry out.
     
  7. Eha Aluoja

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    yet .. no simple short right answer to that man.

    only sin cause punishment - second death, and Jesus did not sin... but Jesus did die like criminal. as He IS God, He's payment for our sins (sinless did die, as sinner) is endless. if there were man, he could die as martyr and no other's man sin would not been paid out. that's why it had to be Jesus - God in man's body and thats why none of else could do it. and still - Jesus DID NOT SIN, so punishment is not for Him - God the Father IS JUST! and i hope you understand justice...

    God is all day here, saying "I Am here! I Am here!"
    God is easy to find
    just one sacrifice He want and accept - you to be thankful
    one is more, then burnt offerings - knowing Him.

    bye.
     
  8. dirtfarmer

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    hello Eha Aluoja, dirtfarmer here

    Yes, if Jesus was just a mere man, he would have been a martyr, but he was God made flesh, yet without sin. Scripture states in 2 Corinthians 5:20, " For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Scripture states that the blood of bull and goats cannot clear man conscience, but Jesus Christ's sacrifice gives us a clear conscience.
     
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    Hi Eha Aluoja and welcome to CFnet! Eugene has already shared this but I thought I'd share it again to hopefully help you understand what may have happened.

    We created the Foyer to allow passers by, such as yourself, to post without first becoming a member of CFnet. It provides an opportunity to test the waters so-to-speak. But, because it is an open forum where someone may post without first agreeing to our terms of service, we feel it is appropriate that all posts in the Foyer must be very strictly monitored. When you post in this forum, your post remains in a queue until a moderator has a chance to review it and approve it before it can appear on the discussion board. This is necessary to protect CFnet as well as others that may be viewing.

    There may not have been any active moderators online when you posted or they were busy with other tasks and didn't have opportunity to review your post immediately when you posted and that is probably why you didn't see your post appear right away.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and welcome you to join CFnet membership. Thank you for stopping by and we hope your time here is inspirational and edifying.
     
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