Animals as food.....

[jasoncran]

Thank you for the information. I going to have to find out if I can get some.

import ban here.you have to know who is in the farming business to get exotic species that bad boy would dominate the seas here if he was realised as look at the size! what would eat him!

 

[warfrog]

Tiger shrimp is phenominal, not only does it taste as good if not even better than lil shrimpies, theres a whole lot more to eat!!

I really enjoy sea-food, havent had any in a long time, nor do i live anywhere near the sea so i cant just catchem myself 8(
Perhaps if the Lord wills i will have a good feast of sea-food sometime soon.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Drew]

He is advocating the eating of meat, in fact He is advocating through Paul all things are pure before the Lord.

Where, and please be specific, does Paul advocate the eating of meat. Saying that something is "acceptable" or even "clean" is not the same thing as saying "you should eat that thing"

It is the heart that is being given account, if i love my brother and my brother can stumble because i eat whatever i eat infront of him and he struggles with it, then why would I being a servant of the Lord and a brother who loves continue in the possibility of destroying Gods work.
I love my brother so for that sake alone i would not cause a stumbling block, because I know this creates peace and righteousness and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I have no idea what your point is. At the very least, nothing you say here constitutes any kind of argument that we "should" eat meat.

You do not understand because you do not understand love.

What is your evidence, and please be specific, as to your assertion that I "do not understand love". You do not know me, and I daresay nothing in any of my posts supports such an assertion.

Love does not have a boundary set between it, love produces peace on all accords.
Love is not chastising your brethren who does not at that time agree with you, love is long suffering and patient and love looks forward not backwards on a brethren.

I am pretty sure you are mistaken. Using this kind of reasoning any exhortation can be seen as "being un-peaceable". Your argument appears to be that is "unloving" to suggest that the "kingdom way" in respect to this issue is to abstain from meat. How is this any kind of argument? Is any effort to exhort people to follow the gospel path really just "being un-peaceable"? How does that make sense?

And you simply ignore my argument as to what the teaching about meat is really all about.

 

[warfrog]

Simply if you understood love you would understand that Paul was speaking that all things are pure before the Lord.

In other words there is nothing we shouldnt eat or drink, all is holy if taken through the thanksgiving of the Lord.

What Paul was speaking about actually didnt have much to do with food per say, he was actually adressing the heart.
If your brother can stumble because of something you eat when you are with them, refrain from eating that specific thing, not for your sake in saying it is not good, but for the sake of love, that you do not make your brother stumble by eating that specific thing.

This has nothing to do with Jewish or Gentile eating habits, it has everything to do with righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit through love, by not offending your brother over such a matter and causing him to stumble.

I didnt say what i said to make you feel stupid or that your ignorant of what love is i said it to show you exactly what Paul was saying regarding food and drink in that scripture that was shown, and the truth is you dont understand love regarding that scripture right now, you dont. If you drop the Jew and Gentile thing that has 0 mention at all regarding those scriptures that i posted you perhaps may see that love.
I dont mean that in a negative way in any fashion, if you were standing with me you would see, but you cannot, so either you take my word or you dont, i cant control that, but im not negative regarding this, i love you.

Do i ignore you or do you ignore me?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Drew]

Simply if you understood love you would understand that Paul was speaking that all things are pure before the Lord......

We are done. It is clear that we have deeply different ways of understanding this teaching, probably reflecting a fundamentally different way of reading the Bible.

 

[warfrog]

We are done. It is clear that we have deeply different ways of understanding this teaching, probably reflecting a fundamentally different way of reading the Bible.

ok, if you wish to dicontinue our discussions ill follow that, but dont say, "we are done" the body cannot cut off the body.
perhaps in due time this specific discussion will continue, Lord willing.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Lewis]

Today's dinner. Nice -N- hot and spicy, along side potato salad & sweet potato's & collard greens and 1 liter of Mountain Dew. And I will enjoy this in front of my 42" flat screen TV.

 

[Nick]

Lewis, stop making my mouth water!

I just had some Tandouri Chicken drumsticks.

 

[Elijah674]

ok, if you wish to dicontinue our discussions ill follow that, but dont say, "we are done" the body cannot cut off the body.
perhaps in due time this specific discussion will continue, Lord willing.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lets see, Protest'ants' of today are PROPHESIED in Rev. 17:1-5. And Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 is REJECTED as old T. stuff by most.

And food was as God gave in the beginning up until the flood. No animal as food. (or flesh) And even before God permitted 'flesh food' after the World Flood to be eaten, we see that there were DOCUMENTED BY HIM AS THE [CLEAN & UNCLEAN] in Gen. 7:2-10!

So in verse 5 of Gen. 9 we see (some at least!) God AGAIN ETERNALLY DOCUMENTATING what now happenes because HE REQUIRES IT when this is done. (compare Heb. 13:8-9!) But who cares what they eat 'or drink' of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones?

God said: 'And SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I REQUIRE; AT THE HAND OF EVERY BEAST WILL I REQUIRE IT.'

And God told 'you'ins' again after the flood what was Clean & UNCLEAN in Lev. 11. And then from nearly 1000 year old ones to the final DOCUMENTATION of these Rev. 17:1-5 babbling ones. And Gen. 11 found even these ones lives went down down & down!

So where does one go for Truth today for what they want to hear?? Just to the Jer. 17:5 'more babbeling ones' who hardly have any two agreeing on anything anyhow. (and these boards???)

Who cares what God say's, huh? Most eat anything and everything! (false spiritual as well as physical) + drink anything! and many waddle as some overweight 'duck'? (I can think of a better defination!)

It is NO WONDER we see the Isa. 5:4 & Matt. 24:21 on verse's following up with what God will now DO as a 'last LOVING' resort to AWAKEN (Matt. 25) just the few left in Babylon. Rev. 18:4 'COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!'

--Elijah

 

[warfrog]

Lets see, Protest'ants' of today are PROPHESIED in Rev. 17:1-5. And Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 is REJECTED as old T. stuff by most.

And food was as God gave in the beginning up until the flood. No animal as food. (or flesh) And even before God permitted 'flesh food' after the World Flood to be eaten, we see that there were DOCUMENTED BY HIM AS THE [CLEAN & UNCLEAN] in Gen. 7:2-10!

So in verse 5 of Gen. 9 we see (some at least!) God AGAIN ETERNALLY DOCUMENTATING what now happenes because HE REQUIRES IT when this is done. (compare Heb. 13:8-9!) But who cares what they eat 'or drink' of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones?

God said: 'And SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I REQUIRE; AT THE HAND OF EVERY BEAST WILL I REQUIRE IT.'

And God told 'you'ins' again after the flood what was Clean & UNCLEAN in Lev. 11. And then from nearly 1000 year old ones to the final DOCUMENTATION of these Rev. 17:1-5 babbling ones. And Gen. 11 found even these ones lives went down down & down!

So where does one go for Truth today for what they want to hear?? Just to the Jer. 17:5 'more babbeling ones' who hardly have any two agreeing on anything anyhow. (and these boards???)

Who cares what God say's, huh? Most eat anything and everything! (false spiritual as well as physical) + drink anything! and many waddle as some overweight 'duck'? (I can think of a better defination!)

It is NO WONDER we see the Isa. 5:4 & Matt. 24:21 on verse's following up with what God will now DO as a 'last LOVING' resort to AWAKEN (Matt. 25) just the few left in Babylon. Rev. 18:4 'COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!'

--Elijah

Elijah i have no idea what you saying, why do you speak to your brethren so confusingly? why not just speak with them?
Seriously, i dont understand a single reason or relation to your post.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah i have no idea what you saying, why do you speak to your brethren so confusingly? why not just speak with them?
Seriously, i dont understand a single reason or relation to your post.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi! 'i' am an older Christian, so just relax & don't read my posting if they are 'confusing'!;)

And the personal Loving Rebuke or whatever is meant? Thanks much, but my 'Love for Christ and His ones, is set in spiritual concrete'.. if you understand what that means? Col. 1:23

And my way of 'wittness' (or whatever one wants to call it) is what it is. Anyway, thanks again for the kind words.

---Elijah

 

[warfrog]

Hi! 'i' am an older Christian, so just relax & don't read my posting if they are 'confusing'!;)

And the personal Loving Rebuke or whatever is meant? Thanks much, but my 'Love for Christ and His ones, is set in spiritual concrete'.. if you understand what that means? Col. 1:23

And my way of 'wittness' (or whatever one wants to call it) is what it is. Anyway, thanks again for the kind words.

---Elijah

Elijah that wasnt meant to discriminate you, you use tons of colours and type your wording very weirdly and hardly ever explain what it is your actually talking about, thats all i meant.
I honestly had 0 clue what you were saying in that post i qouted.

I want to respond and i want to understand Elijah, thats why im saying this, if i dont know whats going on when you represent something what is the point? I want to know what your saying, what your trying to express.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[reba]

Sheesh man it aint even football season

Today's dinner. Nice -N- hot and spicy, along side potato salad & sweet potato's & collard greens and 1 liter of Mountain Dew. And I will enjoy this in front of my 42" flat screen TV.

 

[Jake]

Lets see, Protest'ants' of today are PROPHESIED in Rev. 17:1-5. And Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 is REJECTED as old T. stuff by most.

And food was as God gave in the beginning up until the flood. No animal as food. (or flesh) And even before God permitted 'flesh food' after the World Flood to be eaten, we see that there were DOCUMENTED BY HIM AS THE [CLEAN & UNCLEAN] in Gen. 7:2-10!

So in verse 5 of Gen. 9 we see (some at least!) God AGAIN ETERNALLY DOCUMENTATING what now happenes because HE REQUIRES IT when this is done. (compare Heb. 13:8-9!) But who cares what they eat 'or drink' of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones?

God said: 'And SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I REQUIRE; AT THE HAND OF EVERY BEAST WILL I REQUIRE IT.'

And God told 'you'ins' again after the flood what was Clean & UNCLEAN in Lev. 11. And then from nearly 1000 year old ones to the final DOCUMENTATION of these Rev. 17:1-5 babbling ones. And Gen. 11 found even these ones lives went down down & down!

So where does one go for Truth today for what they want to hear?? Just to the Jer. 17:5 'more babbeling ones' who hardly have any two agreeing on anything anyhow. (and these boards???)

Who cares what God say's, huh? Most eat anything and everything! (false spiritual as well as physical) + drink anything! and many waddle as some overweight 'duck'? (I can think of a better defination!)

It is NO WONDER we see the Isa. 5:4 & Matt. 24:21 on verse's following up with what God will now DO as a 'last LOVING' resort to AWAKEN (Matt. 25) just the few left in Babylon. Rev. 18:4 'COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!'

--Elijah

you follow the law for your food, too! :o that must be hard to follow Elijah.
peace.

 

[RockyVanRen]

Jeremiah 17: 5 – 8 (NIV)

5 This is what the LORD says:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from the LORD.
6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives.
7 “But blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD,
whose confidence is in him.
8 They will be like a tree planted by the water
that sends out its roots by the stream.
It does not fear when heat comes;
its leaves are always green.
It has no worries in a year of drought
and never fails to bear fruit.â€

Elijah – What does this have to do with the thread?

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: I will jump in between the verses and comment. Remember the subject is animals for food' (flesh food)
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Jeremiah 17: 5 – 8 (NIV)

5 This is what the LORD says:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

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The Lord tells us how to study His Word. And diet (food) is indeed a doctrine. 1 Cor. 3:16-17. And Christ documents that man is to 'LIVE BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE GOD.' Matt. 4:4 with 2 Tim. 3:16 telling us that 'ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED and to be used FOR DOCTRINE' +!
(and that is to be our Spiritual FOOD)


Now for non/inspired man? There are so many commentaries where none hardly agree with anything, and which are what man claim's as Doctor this or that, that we see the problem of Rev. 17:1-5 as big/time.. in CAPPS!


And God told us where to GO FOR DOCTRINE! (not to these ones) We are told that we are WITHOUT CONDEMNATION in Rom. 8:1 when we are [IN CHRIST] and verse 14 documents that THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD US.. if we will be led? But not to these Jer. 17:5 ones for the Holy Spirits work!
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6 That person will be like a bush in the wastelands;
they will not see prosperity when it comes.
They will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives.

7 “But blessed is the one who trusts in the LORD,
whose confidence is in him.
8 They will be like a tree planted by the water
that sends out its roots by the stream.
It does not fear when heat comes;
its leaves are always green.
It has no worries in a year of drought
and never fails to bear fruit.”

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God gave two directions to go. To His Words! (from cover to cover.. ALL!) Or go to uninspired man for your 'understanding'.

When any doctrine needs understanding, He tell's us to COME TO HIS WORD ALONE FOR FINAL DIRECTION! And what do most ALL of these 'church's teach on flesh food + 'fermented wine & the like???


Let me just give a total opposit 'view' (teaching doctrine) of many of these Broadway ones of Matt. 7. They teach to never run Bible Scripture. Just stick to the time + chapter. Yet, God gives the Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 verses TWICE so that we can test history with history, both backwards & forwards. He even gives another TWICE DOCUMENTED verse to verify His ETERNAL WORD! Gen. 41:32 has it stated.. 'And the dream was [DOUBLED unto Pharaoh TWICE;] it is [BECAUSE THE 'THING' IS ESTABLISHED BY GOD]..'


And in Isa. 28:7-10 a 'spiritual' saint will find how God tell's us to find ALL TRUTH. Use the K.J. and see if that gives you any additional Truth? And the Vomit there is the Church table where one was 'susposed' to be 'spiritually' fed! And we see that we are to understand doctrine by studying 'here a little and there a little.'!
And if the 'table' stumps you? check out the church 'trap' in Psalms 69:20-28 and its FINISHED verses!


But, per subject, one needs to understand that [FOOD] from day one of Gen. to Rev.'s close. And ALWAYS REMEMBER the Word UNCLEAN are CHRIST'S WORDS!! (Heb. 13:8-9) And who that is a knowledgeable Born Again Christian would eat a rat??
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Elijah – What does this have to do with the thread?

 

[Vic C.]

you follow the law for your food, too! :o that must be hard to follow Elijah.
peace.

It's not too hard. Eat Kosher when you can. ;)

 

[Jake]

It's not too hard. Eat Kosher when you can. ;)

disgusting....good thing we're free in Christ and not under old law.

 

[Elijah674]

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you follow the law for your food, too! :o that must be hard to follow Elijah.
peace.

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It seem's strange to 'me' how the Christian was created by God, and then it is believed, that they were left without any 'eternal' health & sanitatian (+) laws! At least they all changed in the N.T. some think?

Even when Gen. 26:1-5 found Abe in past/tense Obeying God by His Voice in person to person conversation, while telling Isaac, why God had called him was.. 'BECAUSE THAT ABE OBEYED MY VOICE, [AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUES, AND MY LAWS].' ibid 5.

Was there anything left out for all of mankind?? And.. 'JESUS CHRIST the same YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER. Be NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH STRANGE DOCTRINES'! Heb. 13:8-9

Along with Mal. 3:6 'FOR I AM THE LORD, I CHANGE NOT..'

No personal judgement intended for anyone, (rhetorical) yet, when God see's us all, it could be very revealing as to the look's of our home, inside & outside? and our Worship attire, & even our personal 'shaped body' as to how we 'measure' up.?

And what does this have to do with 'Animal's for Food'? The old saying goes.. 'that we are pretty much what we eat'.

--Elijah


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[Jake]

Was there anything left out for all of mankind?? And.. 'JESUS CHRIST the same YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER. Be NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH STRANGE DOCTRINES'! Heb. 13:8-9

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Surely, you would not claim this to be strange doctrine, huh, Elijah?
Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

eat away, anytime you please, and be merry (even on your Sabbath).