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Scripture does not say the elect are deceived as it says if it were possible these false Christ and false prophets will try to deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The rider on the white horse in Rev 6:2 is not Satan for he has not been thrown out of heaven yet. This is a false Christ that rides the white horse as he carries a bow with him as he goes forth conquering and to conquer.
You seem to have neatly side-stepped the issue

If people claim that a man will show up claiming to be Jesus, and people claim that Satan will try to trick people into thinking he's Jesus, then by logic one can infer that the man who shows up and claims to be Jesus is actually Satan and therefore no deception

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You seem to have neatly side-stepped the issue

If people claim that a man will show up claiming to be Jesus, and people claim that Satan will try to trick people into thinking he's Jesus, then by logic one can infer that the man who shows up and claims to be Jesus is actually Satan and therefore no deception

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Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
 
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Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

 
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Just like there is a Holy Spirit of Truth there is a Crooked Spirit of Lies and deception.

If people believe the Holy Spirit is not seen and within them because they believe Jesus words, then so should they believe the anti-christ is not seen and is a spirit within the world.

All scriptures on anti-christ point to a spirit of anti-christ, not some literal figure.

Read all the scriptures that mention anti-christ and you can only find a spirit of anti-christ.
 
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Just like there is a Holy Spirit of Truth there is a Crooked Spirit of Lies and deception.

If people believe the Holy Spirit is not seen and within them because they believe Jesus words, then so should they believe the anti-christ is not seen and is a spirit within the world.

All scriptures on anti-christ point to a spirit of anti-christ, not some literal figure.

Read all the scriptures that mention anti-christ and you can only find a spirit of anti-christ.
Disagree as satan is THE antichrist, greek meaning instead of

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Result of search for "anti":
473. anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The above is satan as The antichrist
 
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Disagree as satan is THE antichrist, greek meaning instead of

Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results


Result of search for "anti":
473. anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The above is satan as The antichrist
Thats the spirit of anti-christ. God is Spirit and so is satan. Yes the devil is the antichrist.

Its not literal satan is going to be a world leader. Just as God does not literally sit on a throne and Jesus does not literally sit on his right hand with 5 fingers.
 
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The Bible never defines just one Antichrist, but says even now there are many, 1 John 2:18. We have to remember that Satan is a created spirit and needs to work through others in order to build his literal kingdom here on earth. This will be a Luciferian political, economic and a religious power that will sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north which is Jerusalem and cause the greatest falling away from truth, which is an abomination of desolation unlike any other.

Jesus said those who will endure in the faith of Christ unto the end the same shall be saved, Matthew 24:13. Satan said, I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High, Isaiah 14:12-15.

2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

The last antichrist, (as there have been many and even now are in the world), is the son of perdition being the false prophet that Satan works through as he will sit on the sides of the North declaring himself as being God and will cause many to bow down to him and take his mark as many will believe the signs and wonders he will show, Rev 13. Again, nowhere in scripture does it capitalize antichrist, but mans misinterpretations capitalize it and makes it one Antichrist.
I agree with you a lot fhg .. Since no one knows the day or hour then the devil certainly doesn't, even though he knows it's coming .. I'm sure he's always had one ready to bat , one on deck to hit and one in the hole to fill the bill and then, now or later ..
 
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Disagree as satan is THE antichrist, greek meaning instead of

Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results


Result of search for "anti":
473. anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The above is satan as The antichrist
Of course Satan is the anti-God , was Judas Iscariot the devil ? Or did Satan enter into him like he will the Anti-Christ .. Or like he tried with Jesus in the desert ..
 
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Of course Satan is the anti-God , was Judas Iscariot the devil ? Or did Satan enter into him like he will the Anti-Christ .. Or like he tried with Jesus in the desert ..
Very BIG difference,satan will appear just as he did in the Garden
 
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Thats the spirit of anti-christ. God is Spirit and so is satan. Yes the devil is the antichrist.

Its not literal satan is going to be a world leader. Just as God does not literally sit on a throne and Jesus does not literally sit on his right hand with 5 fingers.
satan WILL not possess anyone,it will be him and his angels,just like they came in Gen 6,they shall return

I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

It is for this reason that the woman ought to have the power, which is the authority of that God gives to each of us, when we are in Christ. This again is written to the end generation, and our power and authority come from the Word of God. That knowledge and wisdom that is in the Word of God is where our power comes from, and we must have that wisdom in our mind or we will not stand in the day of the deception. This goes way back to Genesis 6, and it pertains to what the angels did when they came to earth. It was for this reason that the flood of Noah came to be, for Satan could not destroy the Seed, so he tried to destroy the coming of Christ through Eve's daughters.

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when the men began to multiply one the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

So the subject that we are trying to learn is why does a woman today ever have to protect herself from angels? Got the subject here? Daughters are born to men.

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

"Sons of God" are the "Nephilim" or "fallen angels". They are the angels that have committed themselves to Satan in his fall in the first earth age. These fallen angels saw that the daughters of flesh men were very beautiful, and they wanted to take them for their wives. Remember that flesh man was created from the dust of the earth, and the woman was created just like the man, also from the dust of the earth as a companion for each other. These fallen angels sought to have the things of flesh man, and their experiences of marriage, without being born of woman.

Angels are supernatural beings of a different form and dimension, and these fallen angels took for themselves the daughters that they wanted. This went directly against God's plan of our flesh age. They have the power and the supernatural wisdom to take what they wanted from flesh man.

You say God is spirit like He has no form,were we not made in His Image?

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
 
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he will appear just as he tempted Christ,or do you think it was man possessed?

Matthew 4:3 "And when the tempter came to Him, he said," If Thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread."
 

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You seem to have neatly side-stepped the issue

If people claim that a man will show up claiming to be Jesus, and people claim that Satan will try to trick people into thinking he's Jesus, then by logic one can infer that the man who shows up and claims to be Jesus is actually Satan and therefore no deception

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I didn't side step anything. If you are truly in Christ and He in you then you will not be deceived by the lying signs and wonders, as many will be that are not Spiritually born again, as we have been taught in the scriptures what must come first before Christ returns.
 

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Very BIG difference,satan will appear just as he did in the Garden
So, you are saying Satan will appear as a serpent? Satan is a created spirit not of flesh and blood and can take on the form of man or work through others for his deceptive purpose.
 

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satan WILL not possess anyone,it will be him and his angels,just like they came in Gen 6,they shall return

I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

It is for this reason that the woman ought to have the power, which is the authority of that God gives to each of us, when we are in Christ. This again is written to the end generation, and our power and authority come from the Word of God. That knowledge and wisdom that is in the Word of God is where our power comes from, and we must have that wisdom in our mind or we will not stand in the day of the deception. This goes way back to Genesis 6, and it pertains to what the angels did when they came to earth. It was for this reason that the flood of Noah came to be, for Satan could not destroy the Seed, so he tried to destroy the coming of Christ through Eve's daughters.

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when the men began to multiply one the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

So the subject that we are trying to learn is why does a woman today ever have to protect herself from angels? Got the subject here? Daughters are born to men.

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

"Sons of God" are the "Nephilim" or "fallen angels". They are the angels that have committed themselves to Satan in his fall in the first earth age. These fallen angels saw that the daughters of flesh men were very beautiful, and they wanted to take them for their wives. Remember that flesh man was created from the dust of the earth, and the woman was created just like the man, also from the dust of the earth as a companion for each other. These fallen angels sought to have the things of flesh man, and their experiences of marriage, without being born of woman.

Angels are supernatural beings of a different form and dimension, and these fallen angels took for themselves the daughters that they wanted. This went directly against God's plan of our flesh age. They have the power and the supernatural wisdom to take what they wanted from flesh man.

You say God is spirit like He has no form,were we not made in His Image?

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

I do not want to make this thread about the "Sons of God" but only to say that Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

If you want you can start a new thread on the Sons of God.
 

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he will appear just as he tempted Christ,or do you think it was man possessed?

Matthew 4:3 "And when the tempter came to Him, he said," If Thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread."
It only says when the tempter came to Him. Never indicates whether a form of man or just his voice the Jesus would have known.
 
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It's like you think they're like the wind,which is false ,as Paul says we have two bodies,for some reason people just seem to see the flesh!
 
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I do not want to make this thread about the "Sons of God" but only to say that Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

If you want you can start a new thread on the Sons of God.
Sons of God,yes would be a good thread
 
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I do not want to make this thread about the "Sons of God" but only to say that Sons of God is used many times in scripture to refer to men (not angels) such as Genesis 5:1, 2 and Luke 3:38 calling Adam the son of God. Adam was the first son followed by Seth and then his son Enos and the family began to call on God, Genesis 4:26. These are the first sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God have always been followers, believers and worshippers of God. Man was created in the image of God in His likeness for the purpose of having dominion over the earth and to multiply the earth as male and female created he them, Genesis 1:26-28. Nowhere does it say that angels were involved with multiplying or having any dominion over the earth as Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 makes it clear that angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so in fact they also can not procreate.

If you want you can start a new thread on the Sons of God.
23. "THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4.

It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)

This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels".

Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God.

That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6.

The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oijkhthvrion (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body.

The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7.

The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6).

For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19.

Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood.

Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim.

This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted.

As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land."

In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18.

This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--

The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen. 50:20.

The destruction of the male line in Israel, Ex. 1:10, 15, &c. Cp. Ex. 2:5. Heb. 11:23.

The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14.

After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chron. 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chron. 21:4).

The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chron. 21:17; 22:1).

When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chron. 22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chron. 23:3).

Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa. 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136).

In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est. 3:6, 12, 13. Cp. 6:1).

Joseph's fear was worked on (Matt. 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deut. 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not".

Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2).

At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation.

At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him.

The two storms on the Lake were other attempts.

At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb. 10:12, 13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col. 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chron. 23:3).

The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race.

When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked.

When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked.

And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him.


(*1) The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is gevnos (genos), which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God.
(*2) In Hos. 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.