Anyone Believe in the "NEW WORLD ORDER".......

[Danus]

For a moment there i thought you would reject this mans wise words and shrug it off with ignorance and arrogance but you didnt.......

Thank God! Cause only a fool would denie what he just wrote

Not sure why you'd think that of me, but let me be clear, so there is no misunderstanding; I am not a Dispensationalist. Just to set the record straight.

Never the less, the message is the same.

I want to say one last thing about this topic. Regardless of a "new world order" or not, it has nothing to do with ones salvation, it is not important if it exist or not, and it neither adds nor takes away absolutely any value to ones relationship with Christ or not.

God clearly has the direction for our lives. We do not have it, he does. But we will never find his direction if we are holding on to our own and thinking we are in control.

You can turn to any part of the bible and see this message of God's will vs our will, and we see God's will and control always leading; always winning, always trumping man, and it's for this very reason we don't need to worry about the "New World Order"

Look at Jonah. God wanted Jonah to do a very specific thing, but Jonah's will said NOPE! God I know you have a will here, but it does not sound good to me and so I'm going to interject my will and not do it. Who won that one? ....anybody?

The bottom line is this, we are to surrender and obey to God's will, and to do that we have to trust in God; not ourselves, or other man, or systems of government, excetera excetera excetera.....

If we do this, we've nothing to fear.

The problem is not so much the people who have rejected God, but we have a bunch of people claiming to love and accept Christ who really don't trust him. They continue to hold on to their own will. They are afraid, and so they start constructing their own plans...IN THE NAME OF GOD.... only to find out that it does not work that way.

In man's view, Christian or not, understanding leads naturally to control. Like learning to drive a car. First we develop an understanding of the car, and how it works and then eventually we are in control of a motor vehicle. But, that's not how Christianity works.

In God's kingdom one must first GIVE UP control before one is able to acquire understanding. The more of our will we give up, the more God's will can take over and the more of God's will we are able to understand.

 

[TonkaTim]

btw most of the american fathers were also masonic

Some, not most. Franklin definitely was, he was a Grand Master of the Philadelphia lodge. From Washington's letters we know he did participate some when younger but was not active. Also folks need to realize there was a huge difference from the 3 degree Masonry of the 1700's & the 33 degree Masonry of Albert Pike, beginning a century later in the 1800's & lasting to the present.

 

[Damascus]

Absolutely true. Freemasonry changed very much over the centuries. And even now, Freemasonry isn't inherently evil. There are many good men in the introduction levels of the brotherhood who are there for fraternity.

However, I won't deny that there are Masons who are also Illuminists.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

In man's view, Christian or not, understanding leads naturally to control. Like learning to drive a car. First we develop an understanding of the car, and how it works and then eventually we are in control of a motor vehicle. But, that's not how Christianity works.

In God's kingdom one must first GIVE UP control before one is able to acquire understanding. The more of our will we give up, the more God's will can take over and the more of God's will we are able to understand.

I still struggle to see knowledge as bad thing. Searching the book of Revelation for what has been hidden is encouraged..it does not mean someone would then try to change the world if they discovered something

 

[Danus]

I still struggle to see knowledge as bad thing. Searching the book of Revelation for what has been hidden is encouraged..it does not mean someone would then try to change the world if they discovered something

I never said knowledge is necessarily a bad thing. Nothing is hidden in revelations, but maybe understanding. Ask yourself this, Is knowledge = to understanding? I'd say no, but I think it's natural to say yes.

 

[TonkaTim]

On thursday of this week the 9th of February 2012, Obama establishes the President's Global Development Council.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...lishing-presidents-global-development-council

The purpose is quoted as follows - "the successful pursuit of development is essential to advancing our national security objectives: security, prosperity, respect for universal values, and a just and sustainable international order."

 

[Vic C.]

Shame that i am only 17 and know more about the World and whats happening than most adults......its sad how the blind lead the blind these days and i cant do anything about it

First thing you need to do is put your head into your Bible and study and read and learn! That was a pretty cocky statement you made. I hardly doubt you know more than most adults, maybe some...

Interesting that this is the second time today I get to use this passage:

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Prov 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

There is something you can do; all believers are called to tell the world the Good News. I don't recall a commandment that tells us to preach the bad news. The Bible is a book of hope. It's God's revelation to man telling us of His plan to reconcile mankind to Himself.

If you are one of His, evil has no power over you and evil cannot take you away from Him!

Go and tell that to people instead of worrying about some NWO.

Danus i am sure that I am saved....and that its it....my future is not certain not even the next minute. I would not dream to sit at a position at the table of my Lord. I would not enter his room but wait with hope to be invited and I would accept anything he decides. We are different people my faith comes from repentance and asking forgiveness. maybe i'm chaff...

I wouldn't say you are chaff, but you do have a different understanding of salvation than some of us.

It saddens me to see you say your future is not certain. God doesn't break promises to His people. You say you wouldn't sit at a position at the Lord's table when He has promised you a mansion! He has adopted you and you are now entitled to an inheritance. His righteousness has been imputed on us.

The moment Jesus died, the veil in the Temple was torn from top to bottom. Do you understand what that means?

Jesus says:

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Have you knocked? Better yet:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

He is waiting for you to open the door.

For some, the book of Revelation is a book of doom and gloom; for others, it's a book of hope and victory!

 

[ivorhughjarse]

I wouldn't say you are chaff, but you do have a different understanding of salvation than some of us.

It saddens me to see you say your future is not certain. God doesn't break promises to His people. You say you wouldn't sit at a position at the Lord's table when He has promised you a mansion! He has adopted you and you are now entitled to an inheritance. His righteousness has been imputed on us.

The moment Jesus died, the veil in the Temple was torn from top to bottom. Do you understand what that means?

Jesus says:

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Have you knocked? Better yet:

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

He is waiting for you to open the door.

For some, the book of Revelation is a book of doom and gloom; for others, it's a book of hope and victory!

He has adopted you and you are now entitled to an inheritance

With regard inheritance we have not finished our service and our measure is not yet..You may demand your inheritance early and have your reward now its your choice.... but me I will stay a servant and await my reward that is my choice

I see every sin of man starts with pride. Its something that I will always have to fight against. Having salvation is the most wonderful thing that has ever happened but our position after salvation can still upset our Lord the same way that the early disciples got it wrong many many times. We will never know everything of God while in the flesh although you could be mistaken by some peoples attitude, we are still living in our sinful bodies although forgiven status is given to us our sins still happen in real time and i prefer to keep short accounts with my God so I will ask forgiveness daily. When pride rises in us then our sins flourish and its not a competition to see who can get the most sins forgiven.

I do not beat myself up about my sin but i do try to resist it and i know what type of people carve their own path to sit at the right hand of Christ to help him sort us lesser ones out they have their reward in full. We are not mini Gods, the "name it and claim it" mentality of some Christians is simply incantations of the occult. We pray humbly for our wants and we are given our needs. I look at some majestic church buildings and wonder if Jesus had nowhere to lay his head why are these praying for an even bigger building?

To serve one another we need to be lesser in our esteem than our brother...less is more and it was a great example our Lord set for us

 

[K stunna]

First thing you need to do is put your head into your Bible and study and read and learn! That was a pretty cocky statement you made. I hardly doubt you know more than most adults, maybe some...

Interesting that this is the second time today I get to use this passage:

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Prov 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

There is something you can do; all believers are called to tell the world the Good News. I don't recall a commandment that tells us to preach the bad news. The Bible is a book of hope. It's God's revelation to man telling us of His plan to reconcile mankind to Himself.

If you are one of His, evil has no power over you and evil cannot take you away from Him!

Go and tell that to people instead of worrying about some NWO.


edited out the part not in reference to this poster.

LOL! Thats why im here on this forum, study the bible alot, and go to Church every Sunday, and when i said most adult i didnt mean Christian Adults but the ones that do not believe in Christ cause those people are the "true" fools and the people who are leading the World today, i know i still have much to learn from my Christian brethren and fathers

the point im trying to say is their "knowledge" is practically useless because without God in their lives it will be wasted in Hell and lead others there too

 

[jasoncran]

vic gives good advise. i hate the idea of globalasation but to say that its a sin to buy from walmart and any global american owned or otherwise is a bit much.


ever think god could have lead you to that job to win souls? joseph comes to mind, he was a proxy ruler over egypt when god used him to save isreal.

 

[Elijah674]

I indeed do believe that that Satan is started his campaign already to start the "One World/Nation" and destroy Christianity and have the "One World Fake Religion" and the Anit-Christ, feel very strongly in this for some reason that real Christians dont have much time left before they are persecuted and killed for their faith and God

I've really never met a Christian that didnt believe in the "Illuminati" or the "New World Order" plans, i mostly think cause they read Revalations and know that all these things were put in there and are meant to happen

Surely! What do these broadway + Rev. 17:1-5 ones differ on even today??

Matt. 6
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And with all hell breaking loose as seen in Matt. 24:21 on, the following verses will find these all in this type of mammon UNITY! Then to [make] 'c'hristians?? Caesar will be needed with the USA Supreme court (it starts here.. from lamb/like to dragon) forced power & surely most do not understand Rom. 13 anyway? which will be QUOTED OVER & OVER to finally execute the ones who will not bow to these 'c'hristians unity.

And UNITY? What are they most all united on even as we speak? That on the immortality of the soul + of course sun sacredness. One dear young baptist told me that if the USA Government used Rom. 13 power from God to execute 'us'ins', that it will be done! (bottom/line)

--Elijah

Rom.13
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
[11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
[12] The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
[13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
[14] But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

And will this be something NEW? Eccl. 3:15 Note Acts 5 for whose OBEDIENCE came First before satan's church/Caesar ('WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!)

Acts 5

[26] Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
[27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[28] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

[29] Then Peter and [[the other apostles answered]] and said, [[We ought to obey God rather than men]].