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The Book of Daniel chapter 7 talking about 4 beasts, in KJV Bible verse 17 said that four beasts are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

It is very likely talking about 4 presidents after "Reform and Opening" of China. They are Presidents and Paramount Leader.

1. Jiang Zemin 2. Hu Jintao 3. Xi Jinping and the fourth is yet to know.

According to Book of Daniel, third beast got four heads, these are very likely to represent Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao.

One session of Chinese President is five years, can only re-elected for two sessions.

Xi Jinping took office in year 2013, if he are re-elected for two sessions, which is until 2023.

If I didn't misinterpret to these verses, Taiwan will unite with Mainland China before Xi Jinping retiring.

Fourth beasts got ten horns, perhaps talking about China, Russia and others eight countries will become ally.

I read a news many days ago, talking about Russian payment system "Mir" and China's Unionpay will be compatible. This maybe is a first step to unite.

How do you think?
 
The Book of Daniel chapter 7 talking about 4 beasts, in KJV Bible verse 17 said that four beasts are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

It is very likely talking about 4 presidents after "Reform and Opening" of China. They are Presidents and Paramount Leader.
Hi Brother idono; greetings. I can only give what I believe.
Something to take notice of is that the man of sin who will promote himself to an exalted place in the Holy place of God is also known by many as the antichrist. Dan 7:8 speaking of a little horn describes his talent of speaking great things: probably a political leader.

Will he indeed come from China? I personally don’t think so and go more with the location being that ten nations of Europe which much of the Church has adopted.

If you’re aware of the four kingdoms Daniel described they were Babalonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome, and here again I believe what we’re looking at is a revived Roman empire in some manner.

Daniel Chapter Seven especially pertains to that future abomination of desolation that God will destroy with His coming. 2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

A study I have access to says the following: “the rising kingdom of which the "little horn" is the chief actor, will be as a fifth world empire, because it is a counterfeit of Christ's kingdom, which rightly is the fifth empire.

http://www.gracegod.com/Study Books/study_books.html

Listed under Study Books- Daniel - Prophet of Gentile Times.

Blessings in Christ Jesus. :wave2
 
Hi Brother Eugene, greetings. I share you two reasons that why ten nations are not from Europe.
1. Ezekiel 38:15 mentioned that one of these ten nations is located in the far north (Gog, land of Magog).
2. Revelation 16:12 mentioned that some of these ten nations are from the east.
Combine these two reasons together, it is most likely to be Russia and China's ally.
Blessings in Jesus Christ.
 
I add on another reason here, according to Revelation 12:4 this red dragon "swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth."

Stars usually use to represent the people. For example, God said to Abraham: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore."

So, a third of the stars likely to represent the population of these ten nations are equal to a third of the world population. Now the world population is about 7.4 billion so, a third is about 2.5 billion.

Of course, now it is yet to fulfill and the population of the world is going on increasing, but I am very sure that China is one of the ten nations.
 
Something to take notice of is that the man of sin who will promote himself to an exalted place in the Holy place of God is also known by many as the antichrist. Dan 7:8 speaking of a little horn describes his talent of speaking great things: probably a political leader.

The little horn of Daniel 7:8 and the ensuing verses is a reference to Jesus Christ, the words he spoke, the works he performed, his death, his resurrection, and the kingdom given to him by the Father.

antichrist? You might want to read that chapter again.
 
The little horn of Daniel 7:8 and the ensuing verses is a reference to Jesus Christ
Are you saying the following two verses of scripture refer to Jesus?

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them . . (This is suppose to be Jesus?)

I do acknowledge the time frame as that of the end where we read of Jesus there in Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
 
Daniel 7:7-8
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Your sins are forgiven you. Rise, and walk. I and the Father are one. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. You have heard it said, but I say unto you..


Daniel 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.


Daniel 7:11
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This identifies the horn, who is Jesus Christ, as the beast that was slain. When you understand this, then you will know this to be the deadly wound of the beast of Rev 13, who is none other than Jesus Christ. The Pharisee sought to kill him because he spoke blasphemy, equating himself with God.

Daniel 7:12
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


Daniel 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


Acts 1:8-9
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Ephesians 1:17-21
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Matthew 5:21-22
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 5:33-35
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:38-39
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
The little horn of Daniel 7:8 and the ensuing verses is a reference to Jesus Christ, the words he spoke, the works he performed, his death, his resurrection, and the kingdom given to him by the Father.

antichrist? You might want to read that chapter again.

I do not agree with you that the little horn in Daniel 7:8 refers to Jesus. In New International Version (NIV) Bible mentioned this horn spoke boastfully. I do not think this verse refer to Jesus.
 
I do not agree with you that the little horn in Daniel 7:8 refers to Jesus. In New International Version (NIV) Bible mentioned this horn spoke boastfully. I do not think this verse refer to Jesus.


While I am not surprised that you would disagree, after all, it's your OP and your looking at the Chinese. I do wonder why you would be looking at the Chinese in the first place? So since you looking for the Chinese, maybe this will help you in your search.

小角是耶稣基督
Xiǎojué shì yēsū jīdū


Now you seemed to key in on the words the the little horn spoke. Have you never read the Red Letters in the Bible, the words that Jesus spoke? Since it was this little horn that received the everlasting kingdom, the kingdom with out end, that doesn't help give you a clue as to whom it is speaking? Since it was to Jesus Christ who was given all power and dominion; Are you telling me that most of the new testament writing are false? That Jesus is not our Lord and King ruling from His heavenly throne? We are to look for a Chinese leader to rule the everlasting kingdom?
 
The Book of Daniel chapter 7 talking about 4 beasts, in KJV Bible verse 17 said that four beasts are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

It is very likely talking about 4 presidents after "Reform and Opening" of China. They are Presidents and Paramount Leader.

1. Jiang Zemin 2. Hu Jintao 3. Xi Jinping and the fourth is yet to know.

According to Book of Daniel, third beast got four heads, these are very likely to represent Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao.

One session of Chinese President is five years, can only re-elected for two sessions.

Xi Jinping took office in year 2013, if he are re-elected for two sessions, which is until 2023.

If I didn't misinterpret to these verses, Taiwan will unite with Mainland China before Xi Jinping retiring.

Fourth beasts got ten horns, perhaps talking about China, Russia and others eight countries will become ally.

I read a news many days ago, talking about Russian payment system "Mir" and China's Unionpay will be compatible. This maybe is a first step to unite.

How do you think?

15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’

19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,

Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.

And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.


26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.” Daniel 7:15-28

The whole earth will be under the dominion of this fourth kingdom.

The ten horns are ten kings.

Ten kings [rulers] shall arise and rule this world kingdom.

One king shall arise after this and subdue three of the kings.

This king shall persecute the saints for three and a half years. [the time of the great tribulation]


From these basic facts we can discuss this end time kingdom and how it will effect us.



JLB
 
While I am not surprised that you would disagree, after all, it's your OP and your looking at the Chinese. I do wonder why you would be looking at the Chinese in the first place? So since you looking for the Chinese, maybe this will help you in your search.

小角是耶稣基督
Xiǎojué shì yēsū jīdū


Now you seemed to key in on the words the the little horn spoke. Have you never read the Red Letters in the Bible, the words that Jesus spoke? Since it was this little horn that received the everlasting kingdom, the kingdom with out end, that doesn't help give you a clue as to whom it is speaking? Since it was to Jesus Christ who was given all power and dominion; Are you telling me that most of the new testament writing are false? That Jesus is not our Lord and King ruling from His heavenly throne? We are to look for a Chinese leader to rule the everlasting kingdom?

Firstly, I didn't say that the little horn is China. I only said that China and Russia are two of the ten nations (ten horns).

Secondly, according to Daniel 2:34 Lord Jesus will smash these ten nations not only subdue three kings as Daniel 7:24 said.

Thirdly, Daniel 7:25 mentioned that this little horn will speak against the Most High and oppress the saints. Do you confirm this little horn refers to Jesus?
 
15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’

19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,

Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.

And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.


26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.” Daniel 7:15-28

The whole earth will be under the dominion of this fourth kingdom.

The ten horns are ten kings.

Ten kings [rulers] shall arise and rule this world kingdom.

One king shall arise after this and subdue three of the kings.

This king shall persecute the saints for three and a half years. [the time of the great tribulation]


From these basic facts we can discuss this end time kingdom and how it will effect us.



JLB

According to King James Version Bible,

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Verse 23 only said the fourth beast devours the whole earth, but didn't mention about another 3 beasts devour the earth.
 
Firstly, I didn't say that the little horn is China. I only said that China and Russia are two of the ten nations (ten horns).

‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth...

There will only be one kingdom over the whole earth.

... Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth.

There are no "nations" mentioned.

Nations as we know it, as in "National Sovereignty", or Independent Nations, with leaders who are chosen through elections, will have disappeared.

There will only be kings who will rule "regions" of this kingdom, which is over the whole earth.

23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:23-24



Ten Unions / Kingdoms / Horns
1. African Union



1942:Union of African Republics

Now:African Union

Description: The African Union (abbreviated AU in English, and UA in its other official languages) is an intergovernmental organization consisting of 53 African states. Established on 9 July 2002, the AU was formed as a successor to the Organization of African Unity (OAU).

Established: 07 / 09 / 2002

Flag:

600px-African_Union_flag.svg.png








2. South American Union



1942: United States of South America

Now: South American Union

Description:The Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) is an intergovernmental union integrating two existing customs unions: Mercosur and the Andean Community, as part of a continuing process of South American integration. It is modelled on the European Union.

Established: 12 / 08 / 2004

Flag:
900px-Bandera_UNASUR.svg.png







Members:




    • Argentina
    • Bolivia
    • Brazil
    • Chile
    • Colombia
    • Ecuador
    • Guyana
    • Paraguay
    • Peru
    • Suriname
    • Uruguay
    • Venezuela





3. European Union



1942: United States of Europe

Now: European Union

Description:The European Union (EU) is an economic and political union of 27 member states, located primarily in Europe. It was established by the Treaty of Maastricht on 1 November 1993, upon the foundations of the pre-existing European Economic Community

Established: 11 / 01 / 1993

Flag:

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Members:




    • Austria
    • Belgium
    • Bulgaria
    • Cyprus
    • Czech Republic
    • Denmark
    • Estonia
    • Finland
    • France
    • Germany
    • Greece
    • Hungary
    • Ireland
    • Italy
    • Latvia
    • Lithuania
    • Luxembourg
    • Malta
    • Netherlands
    • Poland
    • Portugal
    • Romania
    • Slovakia
    • Slovenia
    • Spain
    • Sweden
    • United Kingdom
4. North American Union


1942: United States of America

Now: North America Union between 2009-2010

Description: The North American Currency Union is a theoretical economic and monetary union of the three principal countries of North America, namely Canada, the United States, and Mexico

Established: Theorized, between 2009-2010

Theorized Flag:
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Members:




    • United States of America
    • Canada
    • Mexico
5. Mediterranean Union
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1942: No such comparison

Now: Mediterranean Union

Description:The Union for the Mediterranean, previously known as the "Mediterranean Union" is a community initiated on 13 July 2008 by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, as a development of the Euromediterranean Partnership. The act unites all EU members with several non-EU countries that border the Mediterranean Sea. The headquarters of the Union for the Mediterranean are located in Barcelona, Spain.

Established: 07 /13 / 2008

Flag:
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Members:




    • Albania
    • Algeria
    • Austria
    • Belgium
    • Bosnia and Herzegovina
    • Bulgaria
    • Croatia
    • Cyprus
    • Czech Republic
    • Denmark
    • Egypt
    • Estonia
    • Finland
    • France
    • Germany
    • Greece
    • Hungary
    • Ireland
    • Israel
    • Italy
    • Jordan
    • Latvia
    • Lebanon
    • Lithuania
    • Luxembourg
    • Malta
    • Mauritania
    • Monaco
    • Montenegro
    • Morocco
    • Netherlands
    • Palestinian Authority
    • Poland
    • Portugal
    • Romania
    • Slovakia
    • Slovenia
    • Spain
    • Sweden
    • Syria
    • Tunisia
    • Turkey
    • United Kingdom
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6. Central American Union


1942: No such comparison

Now: Central American Union

Description:Central American Integration System (Spanish: Sistema de la Integración Centroamericana; SICA) is an intergovernmental organization of Central American states. It has a standing invitation to participate as observers in the sessions and the work of the United Nations General Assembly, and maintaining permanent offices at UN Headquarters. Four countries, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua, are going through a process of political, cultural, and migratory integration and have formed the CA4 (The Central America Four) union, which has introduced common internal borders. The CA4 is joined by Costa Rica in matters of economic integration and regional friendship.

Established: 1991 and on-going unification

Flag:
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Members:

  1. Belize
  2. Costa Rica
  3. El Salvador
  4. Guatemala
  5. Honduras
  6. Nicaragua
  7. Panama
  8. Republic



7. Gulf Union


1942: Arabian Federated Republics

Now: Gulf Union ( Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf )

Description:The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf, also known as the Gulf Cooperation Council is a trade bloc involving the six Arab states of the Persian Gulf with many economic and social objectives.

Established: 05 / 25 / 1981

Flag:



Members:

  1. Bahrain
  2. Qatar
  3. Kuwait
  4. Oman
  5. United Arab Emirates


8. Caribbean Union


1942: None associated

Now: Caribbean Union

Description:The Caribbean Community (CARICOM), is an organization of 15 Caribbean nations and dependencies. CARICOM's main purposes are to promote economic integration and cooperation among its members, to ensure that the benefits of integration are equitably shared, and to coordinate foreign policy. Its major activities involve coordinating economic policies and development planning; devising and instituting special projects for the less-developed countries within its jurisdiction; operating as a regional single market for many of its members (Caricom Single Market); and handling regional trade disputes. The Secretariat headquarters is based-in Georgetown, Guyana

Established: 07 / 05 / 2001

Flag:
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Members:

  1. Antigua and Barbuda
  2. Bahamas
  3. Barbados
  4. Belize
  5. Dominica
  6. Grenada
  7. Guyana
  8. Haiti
  9. Jamaica
  10. Montserrat
  11. Saint Kitts and Nevis
  12. Saint Lucia
  13. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
  14. Suriname
  15. Trinidad and Tobago

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Community

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2003

Organization Web-Site: www.caricom.org

9. Asian Union


1942: None associated

Now: Asian Union

Description: The Association of Southeast Asian Nations, commonly abbreviated ASEAN is a geo-political and economic organization of 10 countries located in Southeast Asia, which was formed on 8 August 1967 by Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Thailand. Since then, membership has expanded to include Brunei, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, and Vietnam. Its aims include the acceleration of economic growth, social progress, cultural development among its members, the protection of the peace and stability of the region, and to provide opportunities for member countries to discuss differences peacefully

Established: 08 / 08 / 1967

Flag:
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Members:

  1. Brunei Darussalam
  2. Cambodia
  3. Indonesia
  4. Laos
  5. Malaysia
  6. Myannar - Burma
  7. Philippines
  8. Singapore
  9. Thailand
  10. Vietnam


10. Asian Pacific Union


1942: None associated

Now: Asian Pacific Union before 2020

Description: The Pacific Union is a proposed development of the Pacific Islands Forum, suggested in 2003 by a committee of the Australian Senate, into a political and economic intergovernmental community. The union, if formed, will have a common charter, institutions and currency. Although the former Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, spoke of a Pacific Union whilst in office, his government's emphasis was focused on bilateral relations and agreements with the individual states of the Forum

Established: Proposed, and implementation before 2020?

Flag:



Members:

  1. TBA
  2. TBA
  3. TBA
  4. TBA
  5. TBA
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Union



JLB
 
15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’

19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,

Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.

And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.


26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.” Daniel 7:15-28

The whole earth will be under the dominion of this fourth kingdom.

The ten horns are ten kings.

Ten kings [rulers] shall arise and rule this world kingdom.

One king shall arise after this and subdue three of the kings.

This king shall persecute the saints for three and a half years. [the time of the great tribulation]


From these basic facts we can discuss this end time kingdom and how it will effect us.



JLB

What I reckon are these four beasts are four Chinese leaders and the visions represent the four evolution process of China.

When reaching the fourth, China will unite with nine others nations. That is what Daniel 7:24 said one nation and ten kings.
 
What I reckon are these four beasts are four Chinese leaders and the visions represent the four evolution process of China.

When reaching the fourth, China will unite with nine others nations. That is what Daniel 7:24 said one nation and ten kings.

No China. No Russia.

‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth...

There will only be one kingdom over the whole earth.

... Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth.

There are no "nations" mentioned.

Nations as we know it, as in "National Sovereignty", or Independent Nations, with leaders who are chosen through elections, will have disappeared.

There will only be kings who will rule "regions" of this kingdom, which is over the whole earth.

23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:23-24
 
Verse 23 only said the fourth beast devours the whole earth, but didn't mention about another 3 beasts devour the earth.


That's because the other three do not devour the whole earth.

Only the forth.
 
No China. No Russia.

‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth...

There will only be one kingdom over the whole earth.

... Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth.

There are no "nations" mentioned.

Nations as we know it, as in "National Sovereignty", or Independent Nations, with leaders who are chosen through elections, will have disappeared.

There will only be kings who will rule "regions" of this kingdom, which is over the whole earth.

23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:23-24

Make sense. Maybe your interpretations are correct, but these visions have not yet to be fulfilled, just wait and see. Maybe you are right.
 
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