Are humans animals?

[happyjoy]

that is a science, not all scientist agree on the specfics on how evolution is coming to be defined.

you seem to think that we can all be in agreement with the biologist and when we dont you say that we are superstitiouts. then when i point that line of thinking thats all were espoused by many naturalists, then you change your mind.

which science do you accept?
only biology? nothiing in the phsyciatry and phsycology arena, even though that you have stated animals have some morals. that falls under the fields of philosophy and phsycology.

i am not diverting pointing out a contradiction.
handy i agree with that.

What does the moral views of some evolutionary psychologist blogger have to do with the discussion of whether or not we are animals.

Biology is a hard science, psychology isn't. Just because some blogger says something inflammatory doesn't mean we aren't animals.

 

[jasoncran]

not a blogger at all. that person gives advice!

that is real, if read the advise myself

you want to us say that we are animals. so we do. then we point to to you we say we are more and why we disagree with the naturalist conclusion and deny that pov.

we are more then just animals. far more

to which you seem to fail to understand

so you dont beleive in physology and its sister field phsyciatry(yes they are related) one is therapy and the others is the study of the brains chemical imbalence)

i have alot expercience with that stuff, family history.

do i agree with those field all the time. no. but i do see that they have merit. my wife has bp and i have mild ptsd.

one field does cross over into the other. by your reasoning then the other fields should isolate and not correlate data if need be or influence the others. ie big bang and evolution as the explanation of how we got here.

 

[happyjoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science

 

[Mysteryman]

This conversation seems to more about "what" mankind is made from - dust, earth, clay, than what the purpose of God was.

IMO , if one is honest , they will look way beyond the material one is made up from.

They will look at the shape they are made" and the "image" they were made and created in. Things like a Father and mother and son and daughter. Even in the Word of God, the closest you can come to this, is when the Word calls them males or females. Or he goat and she goat, etc.

Man has only two legs, and two arms, and two feet, and two hands. Animals have four. Birds were also taken from the earth. They are fowl, and have wings, and when they die, they go back to the earth they were taken from. So why doesn't some claim that man is a bird ? Or how about another mammal such as a whale, which only lives in water ? And has no legs, or arms or hands or feet.

And mankind speaks, and mankind speaks many languages.

And I have another opinion --- I think that this line of thinking that mankind is an animal is just one small attempt to take our understanding away from the Word of God. Just my humble opinion .

 

[jasoncran]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science

i know what they are. i am not stupid, but that is being pushed into other circles.( the animal view only)
you seem to deny that.

i have read countless articles on that. so its like this
its ok to be called an animal, but dont treat as such? :crazy
you want us to roll over and say that we are only animals.

i am confused.

so evolutionary thought shouldnt affect any other field of science? medicine ,and others

so its convient for us to be called animals in your eyes cause that science, but when the same field of biology says that we have a common ancestor with the apes. then you dont want he naturalists to study and observe possible origins and similiar psychological history and devolopements.

and the devergents.

odd, we are told that french kissing came from the apes.and that we have biological urges to reproduce like the others to and even pick mates in like manner. strong genes lines.

 

[Mike]

I know I came into this around page 6, but I have no idea of the point that's being argued. I'm completely lost!

happyjoy, you started this thread. Are you talking about the physical properties and stopping there to say we are in a classification with animals? Or are you arguing that we are equal in creation to them?

This isn't on you. I'm just asking you because it was originally your thread. I feel like everyone's aiming at a moving target!

 

[happyjoy]

I know I came into this around page 6, but I have no idea of the point that's being argued. I'm completely lost!

happyjoy, you started this thread. Are you talking about the physical properties and stopping there to say we are in a classification with animals? Or are you arguing that we are equal in creation to them?

This isn't on you. I'm just asking you because it was originally your thread. I feel like everyone's aiming at a moving target!

I am saying that humans are animals. While we may have a soul or spirit or whatever, that we are animals. Like a dog or an ape. Oh, and don't forget that apes have two legs and two arms. All primates do.

I am saying that I am tired of superstition substituting as faith, and ignorance being glorified.

 

[Mike]

I know I came into this around page 6, but I have no idea of the point that's being argued. I'm completely lost!

happyjoy, you started this thread. Are you talking about the physical properties and stopping there to say we are in a classification with animals? Or are you arguing that we are equal in creation to them?

This isn't on you. I'm just asking you because it was originally your thread. I feel like everyone's aiming at a moving target!

I am saying that humans are animals. While we may have a soul or spirit or whatever, that we are animals. Like a dog or an ape. Oh, and don't forget that apes have two legs and two arms. All primates do.

I am saying that I am tired of superstition substituting as faith, and ignorance being glorified.

Are you saying it's "superstition" that holds that we have souls. Are you saying we don't, or that animals do? I'm still not following you...

I am saying that humans are animals.

OK, by our physical attributes, yes.

While we may have a soul or spirit or whatever, that we are animals.

Sounds like you believe there is a spiritual difference between people and the rest of living things. No problem yet...

I am saying that I am tired of superstition substituting as faith, and ignorance being glorified.

You lost me here. What is the superstition you're pointing to? It really sounds like you have a superiority complex, with all due respect. Like you understand the facts much more than anyone else around you.

 

[Mysteryman]

Mammals

Primate

dog

cat

pig

camel

horse

mankind

goat

whale

If one was to say that we are mammals, I would agree. However, this word has never been used . It is one thing to call a human an animal and its another to call them mammals.

Since the word "animal" is not biblical. I am wondering why this conversation has not seperated the difference !

Now the word "primate" has entered the conversation. Whales are not primates ! And the last I knew, a cow is not a primate, but is an animal.

Using biblical words -- such as the word "beasts". The Word tells us , that mankind can kill and eat beasts. And if the word "beast" means in conjuction with the word animal in its usage of a conversation. Then one could conclude that God is saying that it is alright to kill and eat another human.

This is how absurd this conversation has become !

 

[jasoncran]

mammalia is the phyla of the animal kindgom, just as is the reptile. and the avian(bird)

 

[happyjoy]

I would agree with whomever said this thread has become silly. We are animals, and mammals. There are indeed many categories that we and all other animals fit into. I sense that the inability to understand the easy logic of the thread is more about holding on to superstitions. We are special and the center of the universe type thinking. Or God causes earthquakes and the weather type thinking.

This culture of ignorance branching to affect everyone's lives. People who have no educations are more likely to believe even silly lies. Like Obama was born in Kenya, or we faked the moon landing. Reason and critical thinking are not the enemy of Christianity.

 

[Mike]

I would agree with whomever said this thread has become silly. We are animals, and mammals. There are indeed many categories that we and all other animals fit into. I sense that the inability to understand the easy logic of the thread is more about holding on to superstitions. We are special and the center of the universe type thinking. Or God causes earthquakes and the weather type thinking.

This culture of ignorance branching to affect everyone's lives. People who have no educations are more likely to believe even silly lies. Like Obama was born in Kenya, or we faked the moon landing. Reason and critical thinking are not the enemy of Christianity.

happyjoy, you passed up my last question to you. whatever Are you saying here, that we are not special among God's creation? That we're not central to His purpose? Is it superstitious of me (in your opinion) to believe the universe was created for our discovery, but that the purpose for all of His creation is man, who He created to adore and be adored? If you're so inclined, it would help if you listed a number of things (brought up in this thread) that you believe ARE superstition and things that ARE NOT superstition.

 

[Mysteryman]

I know I came into this around page 6, but I have no idea of the point that's being argued. I'm completely lost!

happyjoy, you started this thread. Are you talking about the physical properties and stopping there to say we are in a classification with animals? Or are you arguing that we are equal in creation to them?

This isn't on you. I'm just asking you because it was originally your thread. I feel like everyone's aiming at a moving target!

I am saying that humans are animals. While we may have a soul or spirit or whatever, that we are animals. Like a dog or an ape. Oh, and don't forget that apes have two legs and two arms. All primates do.

I am saying that I am tired of superstition substituting as faith, and ignorance being glorified.

Hi

We may have a soul or spirit or whatever ? Don't you know ?

You talk about ignorance and then imply that we may or may not have a soul or a spirit , as if you are not sure ?

 

[happyjoy]

Superstitions include:

Humans are not animals. God causes earthquakes, volcanoes, or weather to punish people, or more specifically it is superstitious to say that such and such earthquake is because God is angry. Believing the earth is 6,000 years old is superstitious. To hold that belief, one must disregard years of observations, in hard science fields such as chemistry, physics, Biology, and Geology. This is not an all encompassing list of superstitions, but they are some of the big ones prevent on this and other forums.

 

[jasoncran]

so why are you here then to "enlighten" us ignorant folk.
sorry we believe that bible , that foolish thing that you seem to think is archaic
you dodge my logical conclusion of what your are saying and you confirm what i have said all along

you believe that we are only animals. then why do deny the conclusions of darwinisms. by that reasoning it reasonable to believe that since we came from a hominid cousin of primates that we have some things in common on a pyschological level. after theres no God and by word no special creation.

no i know this, its ok to doubt the word, but not ask those annyoyind hard questions on the how what where of science. cause we know that evolution is happening. if you have no doubt then why even look to the fossil record and the dna for evidence your mind is made up.

 

[happyjoy]

you believe that we are only animals. then why do deny the conclusions of darwinisms. by that reasoning it reasonable to believe that since we came from a hominid cousin of primates that we have some things in common on a pyschological level. after theres no God and by word no special creation.

I have never said that. Why do you keep saying I did. I said before and will again. We are animals, not we are only animals. You may not comprehend the difference, but there is one.

then why do deny the conclusions of darwinisms.

I denied the conclusions of a evolutionary psychologist. I put forward the conclusions of all biologists. If you don't see the difference maybe this discussion is over your head.

no i know this, its ok to doubt the word, but not ask those annyoyind hard questions on the how what where of science. cause we know that evolution is happening. if you have no doubt then why even look to the fossil record and the dna for evidence your mind is made up.

[/quote]

Why do you want to make this about evolution so badly? I am not talking about evolution. We can discuss that if I ever decide to ask permission to join the science forum.

 

[Caroline H]

Superstitions include:

Humans are not animals. God causes earthquakes, volcanoes, or weather to punish people, or more specifically it is superstitious to say that such and such earthquake is because God is angry. Believing the earth is 6,000 years old is superstitious. To hold that belief, one must disregard years of observations, in hard science fields such as chemistry, physics, Biology, and Geology. This is not an all encompassing list of superstitions, but they are some of the big ones prevent on this and other forums.

Then I guess you can add miracles to that list of "superstitions." Do you have any faith whatsoever that there are any facts in the Bible? Do you not believe that God can intervene in his creation?

 

[happyjoy]

Superstitions include:

Humans are not animals. God causes earthquakes, volcanoes, or weather to punish people, or more specifically it is superstitious to say that such and such earthquake is because God is angry. Believing the earth is 6,000 years old is superstitious. To hold that belief, one must disregard years of observations, in hard science fields such as chemistry, physics, Biology, and Geology. This is not an all encompassing list of superstitions, but they are some of the big ones prevent on this and other forums.

Then I guess you can add miracles to that list of "superstitions." Do you have any faith whatsoever that there are any facts in the Bible? Do you not believe that God can intervene in his creation?

Miracles when? I have never seen a miracle. Every time I have heard about a miracle it sounded like a scam. To me that isn't what God or miracles are about. They should be obvious.... Like a Miracle!

 

[Caroline H]

It's a yes or no question, I'm not talking about scams...

If you don't want to answer that's fine. It has nothing to do with the topic anyway, except that you constantly bring up "superstitions," and in your definition/examples of "superstitions" you seem to have denied that God can have any involvement in his creation.

 

[happyjoy]

It's a yes or no question, I'm not talking about scams...

If you don't want to answer that's fine. It has nothing to do with the topic anyway, except that you constantly bring up "superstitions," and in your definition/examples of "superstitions" you seem to have denied that God can have any involvement in his creation.

No I certainly don't deny the existence of God. Sorry if you take that from anything I have posted. I deny that superstition can substitute for faith.