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jasoncran2 said:
man doesn't have triparte nature. that is the closest greek words for the five layered soul.

the word nephesh chayah, includes the body, mind. the word nephesh is the body. the word ruach is the spirit, though the nephesh chayah has that too. the yechod is the part that is from god. and theres one more I have to look up(nepheshima) it returns to god when we die.
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1 Thessalonians 5.23

('...spirit, soul and body...')
 
farouk if I remove your brain. can you still live? NO but the Hebrews have the tanach, the tanach has five layers to the soul. the greeks don't have that word. just like when we talk about love. all these words mean love in English.
agapao,eros, storge, phileo. yet I tell my wife I love her. It can be the eros, the storge and phileo type in one package. yet love is all I can say.that is what I mean. other wise using that greek usage tell me what is living soul? adam was lifeless and had soma,a psyche(that is the brain and can include the personality and its where psychiatry and psychology words come from) but yet was lifeless. he had no breathe, no animation until god activated him.
 
MysticalJourney said:
As a woman who body builds I think some explanation is due.

I have a bad whiplash injury in my neck - many overstretched and damaged ligaments. So the muscles gained from body building keep me from immense pain.

I have very damaged knees from a variety of sources. Body building and bicycling have kept me from needing dual knee replacements for 8 years now.

Where do I body build? In my own gym in my basement.

Who sees me? No one but my husband.

And it is going to stay that way. He likes that I have a few muscles, but more that I don't complain about being in pain all the time. He is proud I have found a way to live comfortably and not use pain medications. He also likes the way I look - although not like a massive body builder. Just a few more curves in the arms and legs than your average woman. And I am probably much healthier for my workouts!
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Hi, MysticalJourney: I think that with all the opionions being voiced off on a subject such as this the therapeutic value of bodybuilding to people with injuries needs to be remembered and respected.

I hope you are doing better these days.

Blessings.
 
farouk said:
PS:

Hi, MysticalJourney: I think that with all the opionions being voiced off on a subject such as this the therapeutic value of bodybuilding to people with injuries needs to be remembered and respected.
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Farouk, body building is not just exercise.

Body building is the purposeful attempt to make your muscles as big as you can.

You can not flippantly interchange the words 'exercise' and 'body building' as if 'body building' is just exercise. It is not. You will definitely get exercise from body building. That is for sure. But it can in no way shape or form be passed off as just exercise. That's a deceitful way of trying to rationalize the purpose for which body building is done.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Farouk, body building is not just exercise.

Body building is the purposeful attempt to make your muscles as big as you can.

You can not flippantly interchange the words 'exercise' and 'body building' as if 'body building' is just exercise. It is not. You will definitely get exercise from body building. That is for sure. But it can in no way shape or form be passed off as just exercise. That's a deceitful way of trying to rationalize the purpose for which body building is done.
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MysticalJourney has been ill and has health needs. My wife bought an exercise bike and it's in our basement.

Jethro: I have tried to be friendly with you. Why is there need to have issues with me being supposedly 'deceitful'? if you would like to continue in this mode, maybe do it in pm, or with the mods, but not here, please.

Blessings.
 
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farouk said:
MysticalJourney has been ill and has health needs. My wife bought an exercise bike and it's in our basement.

Jethro: I have tried to be friendly with you. Why is there need to have issues with me being supposedly 'deceitful'? if you would like to continue in this mode, maybe do it in pm, or with the mods, but not here, please.

Blessings.
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Yeah, but your wife buying an exercise bike is exercise, not body building.
 
Eora said:
He's saying you can't interchange body building and exercise as they're not the same thing. They have very different purposes.
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So, what? then. Maybe some people use those terms a bit more interchangeably, in any case.

Blessings.
 
farouk said:
So, what? then. Maybe some people use those terms a bit more interchangeably, in any case.

Blessings.
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farouk, have you ever lifted weights? I have. you can do it to get strong, to gain muscle mass and tone. so that you can reduce injuries to the spine or for heavy laborious work.however few do that later. most lift for well to have women gauk over them. women do it because they simply in general either want to get into some shape. there are extremes of this and that is what jethro is talking about. I lifted to loose weight and it worked. I stopped then I got back into it for simple to exercise. I didn't take suppliments. just hit the machines and free weights. I will also mention some athletes lift so that they can compete in football, boxing, and mma and other sports.
 
jasoncran said:
farouk, have you ever lifted weights? I have. you can do it to get strong, to gain muscle mass and tone. so that you can reduce injuries to the spine or for heavy laborious work.however few do that later. most lift for well to have women gauk over them. women do it because they simply in general either want to get into some shape. there are extremes of this and that is what jethro is talking about. I lifted to loose weight and it worked. I stopped then I got back into it for simple to exercise. I didn't take suppliments. just hit the machines and free weights. I will also mention some athletes lift so that they can compete in football, boxing, and mma and other sports.
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Good info.; ty.

I need to do something about my wieght and muscles; and need to use our exercise bike more, pulling the levers with more vigor than I do.
 
questdriven said:
They say practicing drawing muscles and skeletons is a good way to improve on drawing anatomy. Gives you a better idea as to how the body's shaped and built.
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My family doctor has an amazing poster on her wall of a skeleton covered in nerves and muscles.
 
farouk said:
Jethro: I have tried to be friendly with you. Why is there need to have issues with me being supposedly 'deceitful'?
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If you are not purposely trying to deceive yourself about the difference between exercise and body building, then I apologize.

But at least now you can see the difference between simply staying fit through exercise and purposely trying to make your muscles as big and defined as possible, and can now understand the resistance (pun intended) some of us are leveling against women's body building.

I can understand a person wanting to make their bicep, for example, as large as possible out of simple boredom or curiosity, but to then make sure everybody else can see that in order to convince them you're exceptional and gain something in the process (love, respect, attention, etc.) is crossing the line. And how much more unfitting that is for a woman to do that since by nature they do not have large muscles, or even the capacity to have large muscles.

Bodybuilding is really just another example of man's expression of his vanity, his pride and arrogance, and sensuality. And like other things traditionally done only by men for the purpose of serving that agenda of pride and sensuality, woman are now indulging it...and for the same purpose. It's a sign of the times.
 
jasoncran: Anyway re women doing it sometimes as well as mem, you know about Japan, so do some women in Japan do Sumo wrestling as well as men? (I'm not necessarily advocating it, mind; just wondered if they do.)
 
farouk said:
jasoncran: Anyway re women doing it sometimes as well as mem, you know about Japan, so do some women in Japan do Sumo wrestling as well as men? (I'm not necessarily advocating it, mind; just wondered if they do.)
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that's disgusting. sumo wrestling is a type of grappling and it has technique but the men are way overweight.
 
jasoncran said:
that's disgusting. sumo wrestling is a type of grappling and it has technique but the men are way overweight.
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I'm not saying it's nice. But while we are on the subject, since some women in North America do wrestling (whether advisedly or not), I wondered what the situation was in Japan, if you knew.

Blessings.
 
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