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Are there Any Prophets Today ?
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Rick W
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The prophet was chosen by God to be His voice to the people. The priest was chosen by God to be the voice of the people to God.
The Holy Spirit hadn't been given to the people before the sacrifice of The Lamb. The Holy of Holies (glory of God) was still separated from the people by a very thick veil and only the priest could go beyond it. When Christ died the veil was rent from top to bottom and communication directly between God and the people was given through the heart. Look at it like this: When Christ's body was broken on the cross, the veil ripped assunder, no longer was there the separation of God and the people. In this respect Christ becomes the link between us and God. The obstacle is removed, the veil eliminated.
That's the short of it.
Hebrews is a very good book
Today the LDS church claims to have a living prophet, one who does have the power to create scripture or modify it. The word of Gordon B. Hinckley, today's LDS prophet, is believed to be that of God.
The Holy Spirit hadn't been given to the people before the sacrifice of The Lamb. The Holy of Holies (glory of God) was still separated from the people by a very thick veil and only the priest could go beyond it. When Christ died the veil was rent from top to bottom and communication directly between God and the people was given through the heart. Look at it like this: When Christ's body was broken on the cross, the veil ripped assunder, no longer was there the separation of God and the people. In this respect Christ becomes the link between us and God. The obstacle is removed, the veil eliminated.
That's the short of it.
Hebrews is a very good book
Today the LDS church claims to have a living prophet, one who does have the power to create scripture or modify it. The word of Gordon B. Hinckley, today's LDS prophet, is believed to be that of God.
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Rick W
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There's no reason for a prophet. We can communicate with God through the Holy Spirit and in many respects we seem to take that for granted.
No, self-proclaiming prophets seek their own honor among men. I have a personal relationship with Christ and that is my freedom from the yoke of men and their supposed doctrines.
No, self-proclaiming prophets seek their own honor among men. I have a personal relationship with Christ and that is my freedom from the yoke of men and their supposed doctrines.
Lewis
Member
Thats how I feel about it.
here is some stuff on this issue, check it out.
http://www.gotquestions.org/prophets-today.html
http://members.aol.com/twarren14/prophets.html
http://www.cresourcei.org/prophetstoday.html
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Rick W
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Freedom through Christ, not through men.
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Rick W
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I can see the point of christians being considered prophets in one of those links however I would believe we're more like ambassadors of christ than prophets. Claiming to be a prophet will invariably instill "separation" or "greater than thou" in most minds.
But even "ambassador" leaves me pause I suppose. We testify of Christ. That I'm more comfortable with since there's no claim of "position" or even a label besides being a follower of Christ.
But even "ambassador" leaves me pause I suppose. We testify of Christ. That I'm more comfortable with since there's no claim of "position" or even a label besides being a follower of Christ.
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Solo
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A prophet is to proclaim the Word of God. The Word of God today is being proclaimed by those who have been given the gift of prophecy by the Holy Spirit.
Lewis W said:
According to the dictionary, a prophet is not merely a seer. He speaks about the revelations of God. This includes spiritual understanding of scripture. The bible is now complete because the NT gives us the remedy for our inability to obey the law. That's why it's not supposed to be added to. It has everything we need to know about God's will. Therefore, I believe modern-day prophets are those who reveal God's will through scripture.
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Orthodox Christian
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The gift of prophecy continues until the perfect comes. The question is whether the gift of prophecy operating in an individual makes them a 'prophet.'
There is obviously a great deal of disagreement on this issue. I have had encounters with these people who call themselves prophets. Some of them had remarkable gifting, but nearly all of them were free-wheeling and oppositional to authority. They argue that this is the way that prophets were in the scriptures, but I counter that the NT shows prophets and teachers working together at Antioch.
I think anyone who has received the gift of the Comforter would "speak the oracles of God" at some point in their life- maybe just as simply as having words of edification and comfort to the afflicted.
I mean, really, what builds up the Body of Christ more- words of edification and comfort for the suffering and afflicted, downcast, or flashy Seer words that come as a sign?
I have my own opinion on this, obviously. I think these gifts are being merchandised and manipulated by propheteers (profiteers).
There have been clear examples of people who were workers of miracles and speakers of prophetic utterances in the history of the Orthodox Chruch, even to this day. Yet these people do not call themselves 'prophet' or 'wonder-worker'- they just do what they do and let God hold the office of prophet. After all, scripture says we are to be kings and priests- is that not enough?
There is obviously a great deal of disagreement on this issue. I have had encounters with these people who call themselves prophets. Some of them had remarkable gifting, but nearly all of them were free-wheeling and oppositional to authority. They argue that this is the way that prophets were in the scriptures, but I counter that the NT shows prophets and teachers working together at Antioch.
I think anyone who has received the gift of the Comforter would "speak the oracles of God" at some point in their life- maybe just as simply as having words of edification and comfort to the afflicted.
I mean, really, what builds up the Body of Christ more- words of edification and comfort for the suffering and afflicted, downcast, or flashy Seer words that come as a sign?
I have my own opinion on this, obviously. I think these gifts are being merchandised and manipulated by propheteers (profiteers).
There have been clear examples of people who were workers of miracles and speakers of prophetic utterances in the history of the Orthodox Chruch, even to this day. Yet these people do not call themselves 'prophet' or 'wonder-worker'- they just do what they do and let God hold the office of prophet. After all, scripture says we are to be kings and priests- is that not enough?
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D46
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I can't help but wonder what some of the New Agers think of Rasputin. After all, he supposedly prophecied of WWII, the murder of the Czar of Russia's family, etc. He never said, "thus saith the Lord" that I know of but; he obviously claimed to have insight into the future. Ditto for Nostradamus, famous 16th century soothsayer.
Blazin Bones
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Solo said:
Exactly.
It depends on what kind of prophet your looking for. A Teaching prophet, certainly. A future predicting prophet, I don't think so.
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D46
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I don't declare we have prophets, per se, living in the 21st Century as we did back in the days of Old Testament times. We now have all the glory of God's word in his book to us, the bible. David didn't have the whole word of God available to him as we do today so, Nathan was his prophet, the messenger from God who brought good tidings as well as wrath on him. Here is but one assurance of good tidings...
1 Samuel 30:8 (KJV) And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
...and in wrath...
2 Samuel 12:11-13 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
I would be very skeptical if someone would say to me,..."thus saith the Lord..." If God wants me to know something, I think he will let me know.Howbeit, there are and have been pastors I trusted implicitly with perhaps, a warning if you will, from God. That is an exception and not the rule.
1 Samuel 30:8 (KJV) And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
...and in wrath...
2 Samuel 12:11-13 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
I would be very skeptical if someone would say to me,..."thus saith the Lord..." If God wants me to know something, I think he will let me know.Howbeit, there are and have been pastors I trusted implicitly with perhaps, a warning if you will, from God. That is an exception and not the rule.
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Muad'Dib
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D46 said:
Nostradamus's prophecies are vague enough to see what you want in them. And Rasputin was a crook. But he was certainly a difficult man to kill. If I recall the story accurately, highly lethal doses of poison, being beaten, and being shot more than once all failed to kill him. He ended up drowning as he fled from his assassinators because he didn't know how to swim!
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D46
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Yep-he was definitely "bad to the bone"!! I watched some of that on the History channel about a week or so back. He was really something else. They led you to believe that he had a thing going on with the czar's wife as well...who knows. He got his powers from somewhere as he continued to 'heal' the czar's son of being a hemophiliac. Most interesting.
Acts 2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 21:9  And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Romans 12:6  Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1 Corinthians 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1 Corinthians 14:1  Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1 Corinthians 14:24  But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1 Corinthians 14:31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1 Corinthians 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Revelation 10:11  And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
The question at the current moment is not if there are belivers
that prophesy (I can name you many) the question is who are
the ones that speak in God's spirit and who speak in their own
mind. That's obvious most of the time, but a few weeks ago
I read a prophecy that came with power and credentials and
made me believe for close to an hour it's from God. Good that
Jesus always gives us hints and wisdom to dismantle every lie.
Darkness always gets exposed by the true light. Satan only
masquerades as light, but always gets exposed after a while.
Acts 2:18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 21:9  And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Romans 12:6  Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1 Corinthians 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1 Corinthians 14:1  Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1 Corinthians 14:24  But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1 Corinthians 14:31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1 Corinthians 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Revelation 10:11  And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
The question at the current moment is not if there are belivers
that prophesy (I can name you many) the question is who are
the ones that speak in God's spirit and who speak in their own
mind. That's obvious most of the time, but a few weeks ago
I read a prophecy that came with power and credentials and
made me believe for close to an hour it's from God. Good that
Jesus always gives us hints and wisdom to dismantle every lie.
Darkness always gets exposed by the true light. Satan only
masquerades as light, but always gets exposed after a while.