Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by JM, Dec 15, 2003.
Nope, once was enough. :
I think the wording and meaning of this question can be tricky.
Have you ever literally had an ego death experience?
That is where you are totally disconected from the world and know that you should be dead?
If you have, and then realize that you came back than I call that a true Born Again experience.
It makes you realize how utterly dependant you are on God.
It brings a whole new light to Christ's words.
*Initiates 3rd impact.
Um, ok Soma, but that is not quite what Jesus had in mind.
Answer to question.....Yes! :angel:
---The THREAD Asks: "ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER?---
Hi, I think that I agree with that? :fadein: I call it 'spiritual suicide'. Total death to self by accepting the Everlasting Covenant & Everlasting Gospel conditions. First comes the Everlasting Covenant CONDITIONS of testing against 'forbidden' dis/obedience! And then.. accept the 'Everlasting' plan of Gen. 3:15. But, yes, before the fall, Both were simultaneus!
Saul is a perfect 'type'. An outright lost killer, & then a few verses later we see that he has given up his 'total will'! Acts 9:6 "...Lord what WILT THOU HAVE ME TO DO?" And of course Christ told him what he MUST DO, huh? (Me too! Matt. 28:20. :fadein
Just one last thought remains? Saul asked the question, and Christ stated the REQUIREMENT! What if Saul had now refused the CONDITIONS?? He summitted so far, & then the lights were turned on, so to speak. Now he was given a test! (see Hosea 4:6) What would he do with it? One might ask why Christ did not direct the 'blind' Saul Himself, (pluss restore his sight) instead of directing him to the 'offshoot fold' that He had just intrusted with the keys of His Zion heavenly kingdom? (see Matt. 18:15-18) By the way, Acts 9:18 records that Saul (Paul) was baptised & joined this offshoot 'fold' of Christ's making!
I suspect that this truth of the Master's requirement given to Saul, will find huge numbers only getting this CLOSE TO THE TOTAL REQUIRED SURRENDER! They say that they trust Christ? yet they CANNOT trust His REQUIREMENT. : 90% surrender is NO SURRENDER!
One last thought! The last church of the old Testament found the new Testament church on the scene at the same time! Consider Rev. 3:7---17.
Soma sounds more Hindu then Christian.
Soma, John here: I have a couple question's for [you], ok?
I read your post & seemed to agree with its bottom line. And that makes us both 'believers' right? Then I see that we have a Baptist Born Again Believer who is a forum moderator tell the 'world + the heavenly record books', that you sound more Hindu then (than?) Christian.
And seeing that I agree with your post, this must include me also?
Anyway, the question is, do Baptist Believe that Hindu's are believers?? And you had just stated that you 'believed' in Christ and have surrendered the total EGO! What WORK do you lack yet, is my question???
PS: Please, no more moderators like this one, OK???
"Born again" means Baptized. So in that case I was a few weeks after I was born.
Re: ---The THREAD Asks: "ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER?
As a brother in Christ, I love you. But as far as this Ego Death thing goes, it is not what you think. Please have an open mind and check out the links I provided below. Not for me, but for your own sake.
John, what was the question and what was Christ's response?
Hosea 4:6...OT. This was for the Hebrews. :-?
What last church of the OT are you talking about? There wasn't ANY churches in the OT. Since Jesus established His church (Matthew 16:18 ) it is impossible any church preceded Christ. :roll:
Links concerning Ego Death
http://www.digiserve.com/mystic/Muslim/ ... death.html
I respectfully disagree with you. At least he knows how to properly divide God's word.
I am willing and ready to be crucified for Christ right now at this moment.
I attained this state NOT from the accpeted Christian Church but from my own search and realization that Christ is the only "real" thing that exists.
The Lord of Love can be realized in many ways just like the fact that you have hands can be realized in many ways.
Through the shadow or thorugh the light.
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