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Atonement—Reconciliation

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Though atonement entails all that is provided for forgiveness, are we traversing onward from there (Heb 6:1), or are we yet at the foot of the Cross, with Christ yet there upon it? If we lack the fullness of understanding our “reconciliation” (Rom 5:11; 2Co 5:18, 19; Heb 2:17), we will lack sufficient appropriation of “atonement” in our conscience. For those who know they have arrived at the place of atonement never needs to revisit there again but only in memory (Luk 22:19, 20; 1Co 11:23-26).

Obedience can never effect atonement, for only atonement is that which effects “forgiveness,” and forgiveness procures reconciliation. Our faith is in atonement, shown by our walk of obedience, and it is reconciliation wherein eternal fellowship dwells!



Atonement—Reconciliation

It is essential to understand the scriptural meaning of these two words: Atonement and Reconciliation. Every believer has, in some measure, apprehended the meaning of atonement, but very few, as far as I know, have entered in the light and fullness of reconciliation.

All through the OT we see that the man of faith was sheltered by the blood of atonement (i.e. Num 15:25); but it wasn’t until Christ, who dealt with the man who offended (“old man”; sinful nature—NC) in bearing its judgement on the Cross, and in it glorified the Father where man had dishonored Him, so that He “was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father” (Rom 6:4), that reconciliation had fully come in. The word reconciliation is used in the OT incorrectly (translation related—NC), whereas the word “atonement” is never really used in the NT (Rom 5:11 should be “reconciliation”).

Now many Christians never get beyond atonement. They have faith in the Blood of Christ, and are thus sheltered in the eye of God, and all the benefits of Christ’s work are secured to them hereafter, for that work has made their title sure to all the grace that has been secured by Him; but if they do not know reconciliation, they do not come out upon this earth in an entirely new way for Him.

They may rejoice in their shelter, but like Israel in Egypt they are still morally there, and they do not see that the power of death and sin have been broken; they have not begun here on earth the heavenly journey across the wilderness to Christ in glory. Sheltered by the Blood you are safe eternally; but unless you know reconciliation there will be little growth and fruitfulness in your life for His glory.

Now, reconciliation is based on the fact that the man who dishonored God is removed from His sight; but the Man who honored Him in bearing the judgment of death has been raised from among the dead to the Father’s right hand in glory. If you only know atonement, you do not get beyond Romans 3; but when you see the Lord Jesus risen from the dead, you have “peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: by whom we also have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand” (Rom 5:2). This grace is summed up in verse 11: “We joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the reconciliation.”

The scope of reconciliation is detailed very distinctly in 2Cor 5:14-17: “For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh (e.g. we do not discern other’s person according to the sinful nature—NC); yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh (according to our sinful nature before being renewed—NC), yet now henceforth know we Him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Not a vestige remains before the eye of the Father of the one who has offended Him (concerning the believer—NC); but the One who has glorified Him fills the whole scene, and every believer in Him knows that the Father’s heart is toward them, as we see illustrated in the prodigal. The father runs and falls on his neck and kisses him—he is reconciled. And then as he enters into and enjoys his reconciliation, he begins to joy in the Father; he knows he is in Christ before Him, as a son God and joint-heir with Christ. There is not a cloud between him and his Father, and finally he learns that the Father loves him as He loves His blessed Son.

- J B Stoney



Excerpt from MJS devotional for March 28:

“The Lord may see it needful, for the trial (development) of faith, to seem for a season not to regard our supplications; yet, if we patiently and believingly continue to wait upon Him, it will be manifest in His own time, and way, that we did not call upon Him in vain.” -G.M.

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Dear Brother,
How does the Holy Spirit perform the work of reconciliation in us for sanctification?
 
Dear Brother,
How does the Holy Spirit perform the work of reconciliation in us for sanctification?


When you are born again, you have this : 1 Corinthians 1:30.

This is what you have become, or better understood, it is what has become you., if you are born again.

A believer BECOMES, everything that Is related to being "In Christ".
If you are "in Christ", then this means you have had the atonement applied to you by God through the Holy Spirit, and within this, you are become ....
= 1 Corinthians 1:30.

Welcome to the new you, or as the NT explains it...."new creature IN CHRIST".
New identity, new position in eternity.


This is not just your position, that is YOU as a born again family member of God's family.
You were birthed into the family of God, and a birth is final, as how can a birth be undone?
= It can't.
Birth's are eternal, and even moreso when it has happened based on the process of redemption.

When your mother birthed you, there was blood shed.
When God birthed you "in Christ", there was BLOOD SHED on a Cross.
You are not only blood redeemed, and born again, you are "bought with a price", and that price is the shed blood of the Living Savior.
There is no undoing this any more then you could undo being birthed by your mother.

This is why the NT teaches that " So Jesus IS, so ARE WE in this world"., as this it what it means to be reconciled to God, based on being redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and "born again".
 
Dear Brother,
How does the Holy Spirit perform the work of reconciliation in us for sanctification?
Hi iL, and appreciate your reply! Kidron is correct in that the believer has "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2Pe 1:3), which includes "sanctification," that is, we are as sanctified as we will ever be. Same for all the other godly attributes, except for faith, which grows in strength the longer we remain here.

Many have confused sanctification with growth in the image of Christ (Rom 8:29), which has to do with our spiritual growth and maturity, which is a different issue. Sanctification is never used in Scripture in a sense that it admits in degrees but is a state of being, like holiness, righteousness, justification, etc. , these exist only in one degree, according to Christ's being. No believer can be any of these more or less than any other believer, because the Lord Jesus is the standard and therefore it all is imputed and not imparted (except for faith and salvation), because the attributes of God are incommunicable to the creature, e.g. they always have their origin from God, never from man.

God bless!
 
Hi iL, and appreciate your reply! Kidron is correct in that the believer has "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2Pe 1:3), which includes "sanctification," that is, we are as sanctified as we will ever be. Same for all the other godly attributes, except for faith, which grows in strength the longer we remain here.

Many have confused sanctification with growth in the image of Christ (Rom 8:29), which has to do with our spiritual growth and maturity, which is a different issue. Sanctification is never used in Scripture in a sense that it admits in degrees but is a state of being, like holiness, righteousness, justification, etc. , these exist only in one degree, according to Christ's being. No believer can be any of these more or less than any other believer, because the Lord Jesus is the standard and therefore it all is imputed and not imparted (except for faith and salvation), because the attributes of God are incommunicable to the creature, e.g. they always have their origin from God, never from man.

God bless!
This is simply not correct. Sanctification is a process that we are to engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is clearly shown in the NT.

Rom 6:19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
...
Rom 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.

2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.

Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

(All ESV.)

There is a sense in which we are sanctified, made holy, but it is most certainly also a process.
 
This is simply not correct. Sanctification is a process that we are to engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is clearly shown in the NT.

Rom 6:19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
...
Rom 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.

2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.

Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

(All ESV.)

There is a sense in which we are sanctified, made holy, but it is most certainly also a process.
Hi Free, and appreciate your reply and comments! I see no problem with having a difference of opinion (and different translations) concerning this subject. The problem I find with sanctification is that it can be misunderstood and seen as something that can affect your salvation, which of course nothing can alter

Blessings!.
 
This is simply not correct. Sanctification is a process that we are to engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is clearly shown in the NT.

Rom 6:19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
...
Rom 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.

2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.

Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

(All ESV.)

There is a sense in which we are sanctified, made holy, but it is most certainly also a process.

-
Free,

The verses you quoted, each of them, is dealing with the Christian Lifestyle that we are to follow, subsequent to salvation.
Christian Lifestyle = Discipleship.
That is, following being born again, we are to : = and you quote many verses that deal with the discipleship of a believer.
Amen, they are all good.
Yet, A lost person, unsaved, not born again..... could read these same verses, and live according to what they believe they are being told to do by a New Testament, and end up in hell the second after they die, because NONE OF THIS will atone for their sin, or redeem their soul, or save them from God's judgment.
The only thing that gets you out of that hot seat, is the BLOOD of JESUS being applied to you = Atonement.
God only accepts us based on what Christ did on a Cross, and He does not accept us as righteous based on what we do, ever.
Not before or after we are saved.
We are ACCEPTED in the BELOVED ... Ephesians 1:6, based on God's GRACE and the Blood of Jesus, and nothing else.
Especially nothing we do.
The Righteousness that God accepts on our behalf, HE provided.
THIS IS Salvation.
"The Gift of Righteousness".

The simple truth is... if we could save ourselves, by living holy, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and saved Himself some HURT !!!!!!!
But it does not work that way....as Jesus is THE WAY, (not a way) (Jn 14:6) and His shed blood is the only means God provided so that we can be accepted by God, who is the one that sent Himself in human flesh to save us.
Thats right, God wrapped Himself in Human flesh and walked among us and DIED FOR US, as this is the only way He could take us back.
HE HAD TO DO IT FOR US. = Amazing Grace.
WE don't save us, GOD DOES, and then, after He did, we are to live a life that reflects what He did for us. (Discipleship_)
Call this works, or enduring to the end, or becoming more and more lifestyle sanctified, or mortifying our members, or presenting ourselves a living sacrifice.......call it what you will, but all of this is done because we are already saved., already heading to heaven.
You, me, and no-one here, can add anything to the blood of Jesus that can help it to atone.
When Jesus said....from the Cross...>"It is FINISHED", he was not inviting anyone to later try to save themselves along with His shed blood.
Jesus gets the credit for our Salvation, and we get the result.
We don't get the credit.

We are told that our deeds are "filthy rags" in the eyes of God until the Blood of Jesus has been applied to us, and then after that happens, our works and our lifestyle then begin to have merit in God's opinion, (Judgement Seat of Christ) but ONLY because we have been made RIGHTEOUS by God Himself > Atonement > Redemption.

Romans 3:21-28

Free, You could have posted..."be Holy as God is Holy", or you could have posted Hebrews 12:6, where God Himself at times will target an area of our flesh that needs to go and He will then involve our lives with a process that after it is finished its work in our hearts and life, we are a little more like Christ......which is what you are talking about when you speak about the process of being sanctified personally, in our lifestyle and mind and heart.
We are, absolutely supposed to live a personal lifestyle that reflects that we are born again, and created anew by God through the Holy Spirit.
Yet, ALL of this, is just "discipleship" in progress, where we are " being conformed into the image of Jesus" which starts the instant you are saved and ends when you are ither dead and are changed, or you are caught up in the rapture and "receive the end of your salvation", which is not just the new body.
 
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Free,

The verses you quoted, each of them, is dealing with the Christian Lifestyle that we are to follow, subsequent to salvation.
Christian Lifestyle = Discipleship.
That is, following being born again, we are to : = and you quote many verses that deal with the discipleship of a believer.
Amen, they are all good.
Yet, A lost person, unsaved, not born again..... could read these same verses, and live according to what they believe they are being told to do by a New Testament, and end up in hell the second after they die, because NONE OF THIS will atone for their sin, or redeem their soul, or save them from God's judgment.
The only thing that gets you out of that hot seat, is the BLOOD of JESUS being applied to you = Atonement.
God only accepts us based on what Christ did on a Cross, and He does not accept us as righteous based on what we do, ever.
Not before or after we are saved.
We are ACCEPTED in the BELOVED ... Ephesians 1:6, based on God's GRACE and the Blood of Jesus, and nothing else.
Especially nothing we do.
The Righteousness that God accepts on our behalf, HE provided.
THIS IS Salvation.
"The Gift of Righteousness".

The simple truth is... if we could save ourselves, by living holy, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and saved Himself some HURT !!!!!!!
But it does not work that way....as Jesus is THE WAY, (not a way) (Jn 14:6) and His shed blood is the only means God provided so that we can be accepted by God, who is the one that sent Himself in human flesh to save us.
Thats right, God wrapped Himself in Human flesh and walked among us and DIED FOR US, as this is the only way He could take us back.
HE HAD TO DO IT FOR US. = Amazing Grace.
WE don't save us, GOD DOES, and then, after He did, we are to live a life that reflects what He did for us. (Discipleship_)
Call this works, or enduring to the end, or becoming more and more lifestyle sanctified, or mortifying our members, or presenting ourselves a living sacrifice.......call it what you will, but all of this is done because we are already saved., already heading to heaven.
You, me, and no-one here, can add anything to the blood of Jesus that can help it to atone.
When Jesus said....from the Cross...>"It is FINISHED", he was not inviting anyone to later try to save themselves along with His shed blood.
Jesus gets the credit for our Salvation, and we get the result.
We don't get the credit.

We are told that our deeds are "filthy rags" in the eyes of God until the Blood of Jesus has been applied to us, and then after that happens, our works and our lifestyle then begin to have merit in God's opinion, (Judgement Seat of Christ) but ONLY because we have been made RIGHTEOUS by God Himself > Atonement > Redemption.

Romans 3:21-28

Free, You could have posted..."be Holy as God is Holy", or you could have posted Hebrews 12:6, where God Himself at times will target an area of our flesh that needs to go and He will then involve our lives with a process that after it is finished its work in our hearts and life, we are a little more like Christ......which is what you are talking about when you speak about the process of being sanctified personally, in our lifestyle and mind and heart.
We are, absolutely supposed to live a personal lifestyle that reflects that we are born again, and created anew by God through the Holy Spirit.
Yet, ALL of this, is just "discipleship" in progress, where we are " being conformed into the image of Jesus" which starts the instant you are saved and ends when you are ither dead and are changed, or you are caught up in the rapture and "receive the end of your salvation", which is not just the new body.
I’m not sure what your point is. The verses I have clearly show that sanctification is a process we engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
Dear Brother,
How does the Holy Spirit perform the work of reconciliation in us for sanctification?
you just said it the Holy Spirit we are justified declared righteous ..not guilty ..just as if we never sinned .. then we are set apart sanctioned it is the work of the spirit . many things about how the spirit works remains a mystery ..sorta like the spiritual birth
 
I’m not sure what your point is. The verses I have clearly show that sanctification is a process we engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit.
was a bit to read.. here is my thoughts 1. i look at things different than most break it down to easy level of understanding every thing he posted long as it was is %100 true the Blood is our atonement but not just any Blood. all these terms he used is true.. i look at it like this ..i take all the above like a cake mix .but the main ingredient is Jesus and him crucified risen on the 3rd day
1 Corinthians 15:2-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 3 steps of sanctification at birth set apart a WIP 2. PROGRESSIVE the Bible SAYS W ARE changed FROM glory TO GLORY 1 step at a time.. then we get to heaven w become the finished product
 
Obedience can never effect atonement,
100% true!
Also 100% true is that no one who is not obedient will inherit the kingdom.

While the Holy Spirit directs our way, we take our steps and, in the final analysis, we are responsible for all of our actions.
If that responsibility is taken away the God's justice goes with it because it would be 100% unjust to punish someone for anything for which he was not responsible.
 
100% true!
Also 100% true is that no one who is not obedient will inherit the kingdom.

While the Holy Spirit directs our way, we take our steps and, in the final analysis, we are responsible for all of our actions.
If that responsibility is taken away the God's justice goes with it because it would be 100% unjust to punish someone for anything for which he was not responsible.
Hi JP, and always appreciate your replies and comments! Obedience concerning the fruit of the Spirit is the only manifestation of salvation, thus to know you have salvation, this fruit will be seen in you and to others. One cannot know salvation if obedience is absent, therefore all who are reborn will manifest obedience because you can't be reborn and not manifest obedience. God ensures that those who are His "desire and do of His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13).

Blessings!
 
Hi iL, and appreciate your reply! Kidron is correct in that the believer has "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2Pe 1:3), which includes "sanctification," that is, we are as sanctified as we will ever be. Same for all the other godly attributes, except for faith, which grows in strength the longer we remain here.
Many have confused sanctification with growth in the image of Christ (Rom 8:29), which has to do with our spiritual growth and maturity,

Sanctification means to be set apart unto God. So you're right to say we won't be more and more sanctified as time goes on. We are as sanctified today as we will be tomorrow. But within that sanctification, we experiences growth. Another way to say that is that we are set apart (sanctified) to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. Within our being sanctified, we grow and mature. It's a whole package.
sanctification is a process we engage in through the power of the Holy Spirit.

So to say this part another way, our sanctification isn't the process, our sanctification is our being set apart unto God and in that sanctification (in that being set apartness) we engage in experiences (experiential sanctification) through the power of the Holy Spirit where we grow and mature.

I hope I haven't convoluted things with this explanation. ;)

https://www.gotquestions.org/sanctification.html
Pleasing God: Discovering the Meaning and Importance of Sanctification
 
Sanctification means to be set apart unto God. So you're right to say we won't be more and more sanctified as time goes on. We are as sanctified today as we will be tomorrow. But within that sanctification, we experiences growth. Another way to say that is that we are set apart (sanctified) to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. Within our being sanctified, we grow and mature. It's a whole package.


So to say this part another way, our sanctification isn't the process, our sanctification is our being set apart unto God and in that sanctification (in that being set apartness) we engage in experiences (experiential sanctification) through the power of the Holy Spirit where we grow and mature.

I hope I haven't convoluted things with this explanation. ;)

https://www.gotquestions.org/sanctification.html
Pleasing God: Discovering the Meaning and Importance of Sanctification
I think you're doing fine Brother PZ! I see sanctification in the same light as holiness and justification, salvation, redemption, etc. No believer can be more nor less in these than any other believer. These godly attributes exists only in one degree, which is to the degree it is in God, for He is the sole standard. We are His children and He has placed us in Him in these attributes to the fullest--He wouldn't have it any other way!
 
I think you're doing fine Brother PZ! I see sanctification in the same light as holiness and justification, salvation, redemption, etc. No believer can be more nor less in these than any other believer. These godly attributes exists only in one degree, which is to the degree it is in God, for He is the sole standard. We are His children and He has placed us in Him in these attributes to the fullest--He wouldn't have it any other way!
And we can be eternally grateful for that!
 
Hi JP, and always appreciate your replies and comments! Obedience concerning the fruit of the Spirit is the only manifestation of salvation, thus to know you have salvation, this fruit will be seen in you and to others. One cannot know salvation if obedience is absent, therefore all who are reborn will manifest obedience because you can't be reborn and not manifest obedience. God ensures that those who are His "desire and do of His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13).

Blessings!
That sound like God doe it through a believer without the believer having to exert any effort
Is that what you mean?
 
That sound like God doe it through a believer without the believer having to exert any effort
Is that what you mean?
To me it means our "desire" to "do" God's pleasure is continually "worked in you" by Him (Phil 2:13). The evidence of one whom God is not in will be one whom does not have a true desire and ability for Him.
 
To me it means our "desire" to "do" God's pleasure is continually "worked in you" by Him (Phil 2:13). The evidence of one whom God is not in will be one whom does not have a true desire and ability for Him.
That doesn't answer my question.
Is it necessary for the believer to exert his effort to do God's pleasure?
 
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