Atonement—Reconciliation

[netchaplain]

That doesn't answer my question.
Is it necessary for the believer to exert his effort to do God's pleasure?

Then I suppose I do not understand your question and cannot answer you because I thought I did.

 

[Jim Parker]

Then I suppose I do not understand your question and cannot answer you because I thought I did.

Hmm.
I thought it was a pretty simple question.

 

[netchaplain]

That sound like God doe it through a believer without the believer having to exert any effort
Is that what you mean?

Maybe it would help you could explain what you mean by "exert effort" because I guess this is the part I'm not sure of what you mean. Everything one does requires some degree of effort. If we did not apply effort to anything we would be motionless. To give it another try, I will add that I do not believe anyone would desire God and His "pleasure" if He did put this desire in you, because it cannot truly come from a sinful nature, unless this isn't what you mean.

Thanks

 

[Kidron]

Also 100% true is that no one who is not obedient will inherit the kingdom.

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If you are born again, you have already inherited the Kingdom and your eternal security is secured by the Blood Atonement.
Subsequently, You will either die and be with the Lord while you wait for the new body, or you will get the new body in the Rapture.
As a matter of fact, you are , (if you are born again) "seated in heavenly places IN Christ", as you read what I just wrote to you.

Salvation, (Grace through Faith) is the process whereby God accepts your faith and gives you His Righteousness ("faith is COUNTED as Righteousness" ) Romans 4:5.
Obedience is counted as discipleship, and nothing more.
So, based on the CROSS and the Blood of Jesus, and nothing else, we are ALLOWED into God's family.

"not by works of righteousness or obedience which we have done, but according to God's MERCY you are allowed into His presence"

TITUS 3:5

 

[Jim Parker]

Maybe it would help you could explain what you mean by "exert effort" because I guess this is the part I'm not sure of what you mean. Everything one does requires some degree of effort. If we did not apply effort to anything we would be motionless. To give it another try, I will add that I do not believe anyone would desire God and His "pleasure" if He did put this desire in you, because it cannot truly come from a sinful nature, unless this isn't what you mean.

Thanks

By "exert effort" I mean that the person has to choose to act upon the leading of the Spirit or to choose to obey the teaching of scripture and then do the good works to which the Spirit leads and which the scripture states we are to do.

By "exert effort" I mean that we are no just observers while the Holy Spirit operates our bodies to do God's will.

By "exert effort" I mean that WE are responsible for what we do and do not do.

Does that help?

 

[Jim Parker]

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If you are born again, you have already inherited the Kingdom and your eternal security is secured by the Blood Atonement.
Subsequently, You will either die and be with the Lord while you wait for the new body, or you will get the new body in the Rapture.
As a matter of fact, you are , (if you are born again) "seated in heavenly places IN Christ", as you read what I just wrote to you.

Salvation, (Grace through Faith) is the process whereby God accepts your faith and gives you His Righteousness ("faith is COUNTED as Righteousness" ) Romans 4:5.
Obedience is counted as discipleship, and nothing more.
So, based on the CROSS and the Blood of Jesus, and nothing else, we are ALLOWED into God's family.

"not by works of righteousness or obedience which we have done, but according to God's MERCY you are allowed into His presence"

TITUS 3:5

Yes it is all according to God's mercy because no one deserves eternal life.
And God said that you will not enter that eternal life without doing the good works which He created you to do.
So, if you believe and just sit back and do nothing then you can expect a very rude awakening at the judgment.

Jesus said, "...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,
and
those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."
(John 5:28-29)

Jesus told his apostles to go into the who world and make disciples and to teach them to OBEY everything he had taught (Mar 28:19-20)
Obeying means DOING what God said not just believing what God said.
"be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves." (Jas 1:22)
The devils believe in Jesus but they will spend eternity in the lake of fire because they don't OBEY Jesus.
Neglect to OBEY Jesus and you can join them.

If Jesus is your Lord then do what He commanded. If you will not do what He commanded then don't call Him "Lord." (Luke 6:46) If you teach others that it is not necessary to do what Jesus commanded then you are teaching them that it is not necessary to have Jesus as Lord.

Who is a true child of God, one who obeys God or one who acknowledges that He is God but doesn't obey Him?
Mat 21:28-31a ... what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go, work today in my vineyard.’ He answered and said, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he regretted it and went. Then he came to the second and said likewise. And he answered and said, ‘I go, sir,’ but he did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?

Mat 7:24-27 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.

By teaching people that no works (doing what Jesus taught) are necessary for eternal life or entering into the kingdom of heaven, you are teaching them to be like the man who built his house on the sand.

The difference between a Christian and a pagan is that a Christian does what Jesus commanded and a Pagan does whatever he feels like doing. So the Christian imitates Christ and the pagan imitates whatever his belly and his loins tell him to imitate.

The word for the person who says he is a Christian but does not submit to Jesus' Lordship or obey His commands is: "poser."
There will be no posers in the kingdom of heaven; only authentic, bond servant, adopted brothers and sisters of Christ.

 

[Kidron]

The word for the person who says he is a Christian but does not submit to Jesus' Lordship or obey His commands is: "poser."
There will be no posers in the kingdom of heaven; only authentic, bond servant, adopted brothers and sisters of Christ.

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You are correct.
The only "posers" are the devout legalist's who generally show up on (live on) Christian Forums, trying to convince weak believers that their works are necessary to get them into heaven, or their lack of them, get them into hell.
The Bible refers to your type of core theology as Galatians 1:8.
I dont share it.
I never will.
See, , I can't possibly share in what you unfortunately believe about Salvation, as what you believe, on one hand..... will mention the atonement, but in your other pocket you are always trying to add works to God's Grace and Deeds to the finished work of Jesus's shed blood.
However, Salvation, as created by the one who Died to offer it for Free, is :
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TITUS 3:5

Romans 3:21-28.


Here tho, for you, is the Good news... = "Christ died to get us into Heaven" (not our works and not our willingness to obey God later on down the line).
You go to heaven because your SINS are gone, or you GO TO HELL because they are not gone.
You go to heaven to STAY, because you will meet God as your FATHER, (born again) or you will go to hell then the lake of fire, because you met God as your JUDGE.
Bottom line, is that you dont have any part in getting rid of your Sin, as it takes a different kind of BLOOD then you possess to PAY for all your SIN.
It take GOD's BLOOD.
So, where exactly are all your works and obedience that you are concerned about in that?
NOWHERE. Not before being born again or after, as God will never accept any man's works or lifestyle (obedience) as acceptable regarding saving them and keeping them saved.

And if you are trusting in your obedience or your works or your enduring to the end, then you are NOT trusting in Christ alone to save you or keep you saved.
Thats a fact.
So, in this case, we do not meet theologically as "brethren", but we do agree that you are all about the works and im all about the Blood Atonement.
Read anything I write on this Site regarding Salvation, (as I post here exactly like I post on other Christian forums for years and years)... and compare it to anything you have written regarding the same topic, and its clear that im not trusting in anything I can do, and you are always writing about what ELSE is required other then the Blood Atonement, to get you into Heaven.
You just did it again, and I just wrote this post to you because you just did it again.

Works/Obedience.... are subsequent to eternal life being given by God through Christ as a "free gift" along with "Righteousness', and without this, (not works, not obeying",) but without RIGHTEOUSNESS being imputed based on FAITH ALONE, no-one will be going to Heaven other then to hit the Great White Throne Judgment.
And.....Presenting your Body a living obedient sacrifice, (works works works works works) without the Blood Atonement redeeming you FROM YOUR SIN, will land you into hell just as quickly as any other religious false idea you can come up with that does not give all the credit due the ONE who died to prove He is THE WAY ,= ALONE
No works need apply.
No obedience is worthy to be compared.
Ever.

God does not require or NEED your deeds or your obedience or your lifestyle to save you or keep you saved, ... He only needs your Faith to thereby apply His Eternal Atonement and Constant Grace which ALONE are the only reason anyone will ever be able to call Hm FATHER, and it be TRUE now or in their hereafter.
So, Works and Obedience, are what should follow Salvation along with water baptism and public confession and tithing and witnessing, (discipleship) but never ever ever do any of these discipleship efforts substitute or underpin God's Grace as a sort of a Part 11 + the Cross, as YOU and others like you would continue to try to imply, teach, and stress as NEEDED to be the (other part) of God's Redemption.
Sorry, no.
God needs Jesus's BLOOD to redeem a person and NOTHING ELSE.
I truly look forward to the day when you give Christ Alone all the Credit for saving you and keeping you saved and actually share this for the good of other's to hear, as this is the "Good News" of the Gospel that God wants believers to be sharing.
Who knows, maybe that day will come regarding you, before Jesus comes back.
I hope so.

 

[ezra]

i was listening to James Merritt tonight he made thus remark if the thief on the cross seen the need to be saved with out the Resurrection where does that leave those after the Resurrection . we ,make the plan of salvation complicated by adding stipulations when paul wrote whosoever shall call upon shall be saved works of some sort will follow

 

[Jim Parker]

The only "posers" are the devout legalist's

A legalist is someone who teaches that a Christian must keep the Law of Moses not someone who points out that, according to the Bible, God actually expects those who claim to be believers actually obey Him.
I have never said that anyone needed nto keep the Law of Moses.
You appear to be suggesting that it is not necessary to obey Jesus commandments.
I'm saying that, if Jesus is your Lord, then you must keep His commandments. As He said; "If you love me, keep my commandments." ( Jhn 14:15)
You appear to have a problem with that.
Jesus said you will be judged by your works as to whether or not you get eternal life. (So did Paul at Ro 2)
You don't seem to want to believe that.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Yes it is all according to God's mercy because no one deserves eternal life.
And God said that you will not enter that eternal life without doing the good works which He created you to do.
So, if you believe and just sit back and do nothing then you can expect a very rude awakening at the judgment.

Jesus said, "...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,
and
those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."
(John 5:28-29)

Jesus told his apostles to go into the who world and make disciples and to teach them to OBEY everything he had taught (Mar 28:19-20)
Obeying means DOING what God said not just believing what God said.
"be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves." (Jas 1:22)
The devils believe in Jesus but they will spend eternity in the lake of fire because they don't OBEY Jesus.
Neglect to OBEY Jesus and you can join them.

If Jesus is your Lord then do what He commanded. If you will not do what He commanded then don't call Him "Lord." (Luke 6:46) If you teach others that it is not necessary to do what Jesus commanded then you are teaching them that it is not necessary to have Jesus as Lord.

Who is a true child of God, one who obeys God or one who acknowledges that He is God but doesn't obey Him?
Mat 21:28-31a ... what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go, work today in my vineyard.’ He answered and said, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he regretted it and went. Then he came to the second and said likewise. And he answered and said, ‘I go, sir,’ but he did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?

Mat 7:24-27 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.

By teaching people that no works (doing what Jesus taught) are necessary for eternal life or entering into the kingdom of heaven, you are teaching them to be like the man who built his house on the sand.

The difference between a Christian and a pagan is that a Christian does what Jesus commanded and a Pagan does whatever he feels like doing. So the Christian imitates Christ and the pagan imitates whatever his belly and his loins tell him to imitate.

The word for the person who says he is a Christian but does not submit to Jesus' Lordship or obey His commands is: "poser."
There will be no posers in the kingdom of heaven; only authentic, bond servant, adopted brothers and sisters of Christ.

Well explained Jim. I believe the heart of the Christian message is love and obedience. If we continue to live in sinful disobedience despite what Jesus did for us on the cross, we are far worse off than the first man whose only sin was to eat a forbidden fruit. God banished him ( Genesis 3:23) , and by today's interpretation of the message ( you only need to believe, obedience is optional), I guess God is stuck with children who are exponentially more disobedient than Adam and yet God is stuck with such sons and daughters. He may as well have not cursed and banished the first man . I personally think every word n verse you mentioned here JP is the correct interpretation. Love and obedience are the heart and soul of the message . Of course we all have a right to interpret the message as we read it. This interpretation is just my personal opinion, and as I read it. Everyone is absolutely welcome to follow their hearts. I have no desire for anyone to believe or follow my interpretation. To me obedience is as important as believing in Lord Jesus as my Savior. I want to be a tad different than the demons who also believed.
James 2:19

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.
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[netchaplain]

By "exert effort" I mean that the person has to choose to act upon the leading of the Spirit or to choose to obey the teaching of scripture and then do the good works to which the Spirit leads and which the scripture states we are to do.

By "exert effort" I mean that we are no just observers while the Holy Spirit operates our bodies to do God's will.

By "exert effort" I mean that WE are responsible for what we do and do not do.

Does that help?

Thanks and yes! I suspected such but didn't want to disrupt the discussion with excessive conjecture on my part. It's my understanding that one who is born again will have everything you mentioned because of Phil 2:13. The only two possibilities are that if one doesn't permanently have this desire because God has not entered into you to "work," or He fails to work in in you, which of course is impossible. It's not sensible to conceive that God can work this in you and that you can eventually loose this desire, considering this is exactly why He has to work it in you.

One who is born-again can't avoid nor discontinue having this within them; nor can one who is not born-again possess it because God has to work it in you. It's also my understanding that when it says "both to desire and to do," the "to do" is God using us to do it. He's the One doing it and we're the ones He's using.

Thanks Brother

 

[Jim Parker]

Thanks and yes! I suspected such but didn't want to disrupt the discussion with excessive conjecture on my part. It's my understanding that one who is born again will have everything you mentioned because of Phil 2:13. The only two possibilities are that if one doesn't permanently have this desire because God has not entered into you to "work," or He fails to work in in you, which of course is impossible. It's not sensible to conceive that God can work this in you and that you can eventually loose this desire, considering this is exactly why He has to work it in you.

One who is born-again can't avoid nor discontinue having this within them; nor can one who is not born-again possess it because God has to work it in you. It's also my understanding that when it says "both to desire and to do," the "to do" is God using us to do it. He's the One doing it and we're the ones He's using.

Thanks Brother

(<---- me being perplexed.)
Nothing you posted relates to my comments.
You have provided a very clear and well ordered response to some other topic.
Apparently we do not quite speak the same language.
Oh well!

Be blessecd

 

[netchaplain]

(<---- me being perplexed.)
Nothing you posted relates to my comments.
You have provided a very clear and well ordered response to some other topic.
Apparently we do not quite speak the same language.
Oh well!

Be blessecd

Okay and thanks for the kind reply! God bless!

 

[Kidron]

A legalist is someone who teaches that a Christian must keep the Law of Moses not someone who points out that, according to the Bible, God actually expects those who claim to be believers actually obey Him.
I have never said that anyone needed nto keep the Law of Moses.
You appear to be suggesting that it is not necessary to obey Jesus commandments.
I'm saying that, if Jesus is your Lord, then you must keep His commandments. As He said; "If you love me, keep my commandments." ( Jhn 14:15)
You appear to have a problem with that.
Jesus said you will be judged by your works as to whether or not you get eternal life. (So did Paul at Ro 2)
You don't seem to want to believe that.

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In 2016, you and I had some warm discussions here about the fact that you , at that time used a bible that taught you to tell me that Jesus said in John, "You must be born again by water".....etc.
So, I talked to you and tried to have you understand that "baptismal regeneration" is not only a Catholic Denominational lie, but its created from a poison bible that is an even bigger deceit.
At exactly that point you disappeared from our discussions like a thief in the night.
And now you are back, (HEY AGAIN) with your typical "well let me imply this about you Kidron, tho I have no proof", and I'll hide it all under the guise of deceit by saying....>"well you SEEM to be saying".
No, not quite.
I dont seem to be saying anything that you are saying I seem to be saying, and as a matter of fact, I dont ever imply or seem to imply,... I state.
See, there is one thing about me, that love it or like it or leave it, I dont pussyfoot around or imply, or suggest.
I am direct like a hammer to a nail.
Im clear like a crystal.

So, let me say this to you first, and then I'll keep it short and respond briefly to clear up all your false implications that you slithered my way within your last post to me.

First, I hope that one day, you are able to not only believe that Jesus saves, but that He and God keep you saved.

It is Jesus who is the "author and FINISHER of your faith". Hebrews 12:2
It is GOD "who began SALAVATION in your and will FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT". Philippians 1:6

You on the other hand are all about the Works and the commandments.
Fortunately for the rest of us, THEY are not, with respect to SALVATION and ETERNAL LIFE and forgiving our SIN.

I do hope tho, especially in your case, that you will not only at some point trust Jesus to save you but that you will trust Him also to keep you saved, based on the Blood Atonement, as that is the only thing God offers that will do it.
You be sure to let me know if that day of GRACE ever arrives in your life.
Thx.

Now, we are in New Testament times, and the 10 commandments and the Law of Moses, are not required to be kept for you to be saved or stay saved.
In fact, if anything you have written about the Lord's commands, and keeping them....if any of this could save the hair on a dog's ear, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and not had the flesh torn off his body TO SAVE YOU with His BLOOD.
Understand?
So, what you are all tangled up In,..... all your commandment keeping, and your obedience doing,.... is simply the talk of a person who is either trying to keep yourself saved because you dont really understand the finished work of the Cross, or,... its just a simple case of you not understanding what Saves you, which is God through your faith, imputing you with the Blood Atonement, or you just dont grasp that the discipleship duties you keep talking about, have nothing to do with How, When, or Why, a person is originally saved and kept saved. (Born Again).


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[UberMink]

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In 2016, you and I had some warm discussions here about the fact that you , at that time used a bible that taught you to tell me that Jesus said in John, "You must be born again by water".....etc.
So, I talked to you and tried to have you understand that "baptismal regeneration" is not only a Catholic Denominational lie, but its created from a poison bible that is an even bigger deceit.
At exactly that point you disappeared from our discussions like a thief in the night.
And now you are back, (HEY AGAIN) with your typical "well let me imply this about you Kidron, tho I have no proof", and I'll hide it all under the guise of deceit by saying....>"well you SEEM to be saying".
No, not quite.
I dont seem to be saying anything that you are saying I seem to be saying, and as a matter of fact, I dont ever imply or seem to imply,... I state.
See, there is one thing about me, that love it or like it or leave it, I dont pussyfoot around or imply, or suggest.
I am direct like a hammer to a nail.
Im clear like a crystal.

So, let me say this to you first, and then I'll keep it short and respond briefly to clear up all your false implications that you slithered my way within your last post to me.

First, I hope that one day, you are able to not only believe that Jesus saves, but that He and God keep you saved.

It is Jesus who is the "author and FINISHER of your faith". Hebrews 12:2
It is GOD "who began SALAVATION in your and will FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT". Philippians 1:6

You on the other hand are all about the Works and the commandments.
Fortunately for the rest of us, THEY are not, with respect to SALVATION and ETERNAL LIFE and forgiving our SIN.

I do hope tho, especially in your case, that you will not only at some point trust Jesus to save you but that you will trust Him also to keep you saved, based on the Blood Atonement, as that is the only thing God offers that will do it.
You be sure to let me know if that day of GRACE ever arrives in your life.
Thx.

Now, we are in New Testament times, and the 10 commandments and the Law of Moses, are not required to be kept for you to be saved or stay saved.
In fact, if anything you have written about the Lord's commands, and keeping them....if any of this could save the hair on a dog's ear, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and not had the flesh torn off his body TO SAVE YOU with His BLOOD.
Understand?
So, what you are all tangled up In,..... all your commandment keeping, and your obedience doing,.... is simply the talk of a person who is either trying to keep yourself saved because you dont really understand the finished work of the Cross, or,... its just a simple case of you not understanding what Saves you, which is God through your faith, imputing you with the Blood Atonement, or you just dont grasp that the discipleship duties you keep talking about, have nothing to do with How, When, or Why, a person is originally saved and kept saved. (Born Again).


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Since there is no like button! You have perfectly rebutted something that even in my short time here is hard to miss and yet insists on its way. Well said brother! WELL SAID!

 

[Jim Parker]

I talked to you and tried to have you understand that "baptismal regeneration" is not only a Catholic Denominational lie,

And I pointed out that was an impossibility since there was no Roman Catholic Church when that waS\s the universal teaching of the entire Church.

its created from a poison bible that is an even bigger deceit.

The teaching of baptismal regeneration predates your KJV by about 1575 years.

At exactly that point you disappeared from our discussions like a thief in the night.

Yes.
But than you for reminding me of what a total waste of time it was to try and have a reasonable conversation with you.
Now I'm going to disappears again.

Bye...

 

[iLOVE]

Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death of Christ so Christ life is manifested through the Believer (2 Cor. 4:11, Gal. 2:20-21, Romans 8:2, 13, John 14:21).

I live by the Faith of the Son of God, who loved me (Who Jesus Is), and gave himself for me (What Jesus Has Done). Gal. 2:20

 

[Jim Parker]

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

So our standing with God is based in law and is thereby "legalistic"?

 

[UberMink]

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Well, first of all, im glad that you admit that you believe that the public water system is the means that God uses to save a soul, as you certainly didn't deny it.
I would say to you, that this teaching is a Satanic offense to the blood of Christ and the Cross itself.
But at least you admitted that its what you would have as your religion, as in the real world, silence is consent, as it would have been so very easy for you to deny you believe this teaching about water regeneration, instead of using it to attack a certain version of the Bible.
Correct me if you can, = Truthfully.
Yet, I think that trying to prove that water baptism regenerates the soul, or causes the new birth, by saying this cultic Christ offending
teaching must be true because its older then the KJV, is a very strange explanation to use as your reason for agreeing with this Blood Atonement denying mess.
Again, correct me if you can, = Truthfully.
Also, when you are thinking about what im writing to you, I truly hope you realize that Paul would never preach or teach that water has the power to save a soul or impart eternal life to anyone. So, whoever created this mad as swine theological idea that "water saves", didn't agree with Paul's doctrine, and Paul got his theology directly from Jesus Himself.


and then... You also said....
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"""""" A legalist is someone who teaches that a Christian must keep the Law of Moses not someone who points out that, according to the Bible, God actually expects those who claim to be believers actually obey Him."""""

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Now, this is very interesting, what this forum member has stated. And im glad he stated it so obviously just as a legalist would state it.
I was just a few min ago playing with the dumbbells, and as I was stretching, I began to think about him saying this, and what it means.
So, I wanted to talk about it briefly.
Thank for reading.

What this person has said, is exactly what a Legalist would say, if they are trying to explain their POV regarding legalism.
And it is exactly what a person would not say, if they were explaining legalism from the POV of having an understanding of Grace through Faith.
See, the bottom line is, a legalist, in the New Testament Pauline Theology sense, is someone who has issues with The Grace of God.

Do you remember Mary and Martha, the siblings of Lazarus?
Jesus came to them, and Mary is sitting at Jesus's feet, adoringly, lovingly, worshipfully, restfully, and happily, and Jesus is happy with her.
While Marth is making food, cleaning the toilets, dusting the walls, ironing the robes, edging the sidewalks, and cleaning the barbells.
Jesus is NOT happy with her........and she of course is envious of Sister Mary, The Grace filled believer, because Mary understands salvation and is not about breaking their backs trying to keep the commands, and won't try to work their way into God's favor like all legalists like Martha will try to do.
Read it.
Mary is the example of Grace at work in the heart of a believer.
Martha is the example of a working to stay saved, working for God's acceptance, legalist,

1. Mary - Beliver = understands Grace
2. Martha - Legalist = worries about the commandments and the works works works.
Did you notice who Jesus corrects?
Did you hear Him, oh ye Legalists who are just like Martha and can't enjoy your Salvation like Mary?

A legalist, is someone who has not accepted that God has accepted them on HIS Terms, and instead is involved with the idea that their acts , their works, their discipleship, is what is going to get them past the finished line, and into heaven, if they will just not stop.
See that?
That is NOT Grace, and that is not the "gift of righteousness" in play, and that is absolutely not Salvation as provided by God for FREE.
And Saints, Salvation is a free gift, that cost Jesus everything to provide it to you.
So, a legalist, distilled down to their theological fundamentals, is simply someone who is trying to be accepted by God in the end, based on how they behave after they are saved.
And what is this?......This is Self - Righteousness..... = the acts of a person who is trying to make THEMSELVES RIGHT WITH GOD by their works, lifestyle, or discipleship.
And once again, this is not GRACE, and this is NOT Salvation, this is not Redemption, and this is not the Atonement.
This is Self Righteousness.
This is RELIGION...This is the effort of self-righteousness, trying to self-attain the acceptance of God, that ONLY the Grace of God provides.

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AMEN!
I've read the argument you correct so perfectly rear its head here quite a number of times on these forums. You set it down and espouse the truth that rebukes the legalist argument very well.

 

[Jim Parker]

espouse the truth that rebukes the legalist argument

"Legalism" is adding the Law of Moses and circumcision to the Gospel.
Nobody in this forum (that I have seen) has promotes that.
Obedience to God is not "legalism."