Autism

[Claudya]

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http://www.endowmentmed.org/index.php?Itemid=38&id=284&option=com_content&task=view
A staff member told Olmsted that she had never thought about it before, but in the five years that she had worked at the clinic she had never seen one autistic Amish.

On June 8, 2005, Olmsted reported on the autism rate in the Amish community around Middlefield, Ohio, which was 1 in 15,000, according to Dr Heng Wang, the medical director, at the DDC Clinic for Special Needs Children.
In addition to the Amish, Olmsted recently discovered another large unvaccinated group. On December 7, 2005, Age of Autism reported that thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with Amish children, they have never been vaccinated and they don't have autism.

Homefirst has five offices in the Chicago area and a total of six doctors. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973.
"So far," according to Age of Autism, "there is evidence of fewer than 10 Amish with autism; there should be several hundred if the disorder occurs among them at the same 166-1 prevalence as children born in the rest of the population."

There are so many lifestyle and environmental factors that are different between Amish and "average American" I bet you will find a dozen more plausible causes for why they have such a low autism rate. I could come up with 5 or 6 in an instant.

Autism probably predates vaccination, doesn't it? So if the Amish who don't get vaccinated have like no autism at all while autism was way more prevalent even in pre-vaccination time than it is among the Amish now, then vaccination is probably not the cause.

 

[follower]

There are so many lifestyle and environmental factors that are different between Amish and "average American" I bet you will find a dozen more plausible causes for why they have such a low autism rate. I could come up with 5 or 6 in an instant.

Autism probably predates vaccination, doesn't it? So if the Amish who don't get vaccinated have like no autism at all while autism was way more prevalent even in pre-vaccination time than it is among the Amish now, then vaccination is probably not the cause.

no, there was no autism "known" until immunizations started.
the rate of autism and of sids deaths is directly related to the rate of immunizations, in all of the populations of people where immunizations are used.
the clinic in chicago (see the above link) has recorded and publicized the same lack of autism in the 'normal' population who do not receive the immunizations. the proof is and has been overwhelming since around 1950, and earlier concerning the harm caused by other shots used (for instance in the spanish flu epidemic - widely publicized (the effect of the shots) on the internet the last several decades.)

 

[Claudya]

look again. remember to watch the money - who funded the reports that said mrcry is not to blame(one guess).

Science isn't only funded by large and powerful companies that try to sell something. Some is funded by wellfare organistations, medical boards, media, NGOs/ non-profit organisation, state/ government institutes and sometimes the universities themselves.

So if all researchers who find vaccinations to be rather safe are actually bribed or corrupted... well how would that be even possible? We are speaking about researchers, assistants, student interns, ans so on all across the globe from all walks of life. Don't you think there would be at least some that are honest and responsible enough to blow the whistle on the evil pharmacy industry? A conspiracy of that kind is just impossible.

while i was still in pharmacy school i learned about the toxicity of immunizations, and the lack of real proof that they work even. (there is virtually no proof that any of them are worth as much as sea water).

While there is a risk of side effects (I got some sort of flu after one immunisation shot I recieved as a kid, some people have allergic reactions, and such things) there is no huge toxicity - else how do you explain that in some countries a vast masjority of the population get immunised, yet they still live and grow older and older with every generation?
And while I got a flu from on of my vaccinations I never got measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, pertussis, polio or diphtheria or any of the other stuff I am immunised against. That's because those vaccines do work. There is overwhelming evidence - the rates of those diseases have drastically gone down after a vaccination was invented and accessible to the public.
How would that be possible if they didn't work.

it was no secret in medical schools in the 1980's, but had already been known for over 40 years.
it was known before 1910, when 12 soldiers died before leaving the doctor's office after getting ONE shot.

That was 100 years ago. You can't compare medical practice of those days to what it is now.
Also, immunisation shots cause WAY more deaths than the infections would cost!

the cover up has cost the pharmacy tens of billions of dollars, but they make hundreds of billions, so they don't care how much it cost.

I would bet they'd make even more money if more people got ill from infections and needed treatements to ease the symptoms.

 

[follower]

Reportedly, in 1902 the drug manufacturers had a meeting, as was published on the internet about 45 years ago (might or might not be found today). they said , look , only 1 in 100 people are taking medicine we sell, so we only make so much money. if we could sell medicine to 100 out of 100 people, we'd make more money. so they continued in their already in place plans, and increased them, to sell more people more medicine. this is the plan of american business , just like the car dealers who want to sell everyone a new car every 3 years.

the tremendous increase in disease between 1902 and 1935, and the continued increase , is not due to natural causes.

if you seek out the truth, and only if you seek out the truth, you will find it.

when i went to medical and pharmacy school, at first i had no idea what they did. as i learned what they did, from THEM(i asked them directly - no holds barred), i got further and further from their practice, because i have a conscience (ALL Thanks and Praise to Yhvh for His grace and kindness and forgiveness in Yeshua! ) and don't care for money. They offered me the chance to make over 100,000 per year if I would simply be quiet about the truth and be willing to lie every day. I turned them down, every time they offered. (they offered that to a lot of people, and most others take them up on it.)

 

[Claudya]

no, there was no autism "known" until immunizations started.
the rate of autism and of sids deaths is directly related to the rate of immunizations, in all of the populations of people where immunizations are used.
the clinic in chicago (see the above link) has recorded and publicized the same lack of autism in the 'normal' population who do not receive the immunizations. the proof is and has been overwhelming since around 1950, and earlier concerning the harm caused by other shots used (for instance in the spanish flu epidemic - widely publicized (the effect of the shots) on the internet the last several decades.)

There are historical reports of people showing behaviour that we'd consider autistic now. Those reports date back to at least the middle ages.
However, in order to be diagnosed with a disease the disease needs to be described and known to most doctors. With the criteria of a disease changing (because of new observation or new understanding) the rates of a disease will change.
E.g. the Asperger's Syndrom diagnosis didn't come up until the late 80s. Nowadays a considerable number of people diagnosed with Autism have Asperger's. Before the 80s that portion of autistic people would have gone undiagnosed because while that "disease" (sorry, I know the term doesn't fit here) already existed the diagnosis did not.
We'll see how the new Autism Spectrum Disorder classification will change the Autism rates.

If a country or an area of a country gains better access to health care professionals they will receive more vaccinations - but they will also receive more autism diagnoses, because there are more doctors that recognise and diagnose those symptoms.

 

[follower]

that's what the drug makers would like you to continue to believe. if you trust them, i can't help you nor change your mind in any way.

 

[Claudya]

on the internet about 45 years ago

 

[Claudya]

that's what the drug makers would like you to continue to believe. if you trust them, i can't help you nor change your mind in any way.

"The drug dealers"? Like they are a homogenous group.

 

[follower]

"The drug dealers"? Like they are a homogenous group.

well, you can call them dealers if you want.
the drug makers stick together and
according to Revelation chapter 18 or 19 "the phrmk has deceived the whole world"

 

[follower]

on the internet about 45 years ago

however long ago 1978 was. at the university of missouri - rolla we had internet/web access long before the public did.

still, keep seeking - remember Yeshua said the Truth will will broadcast as a lie, and the lie will be published as the Truth (by 'specialists', 'scholars', 'professionals' with exceedingly painful credentials and so on - the world in its wisdom is foolish to Yhvh and cannot find Him)

 

[Claudya]

on the internet about 45 years ago



however long ago 1978 was. at the university of missouri - rolla we had internet/web access long before the public did.

Wow that's pretty awesome.

still, keep seeking - remember Yeshua said the Truth will will broadcast as a lie, and the lie will be published as the Truth (by 'specialists', 'scholars', 'professionals' with exceedingly painful credentials and so on - the world in its wisdom is foolish to Yhvh and cannot find Him)

The Lord may have announed that people will be liars and masses will be deceived does NOT automatically mean that every main stream view is a lie.

 

[follower]

Wow that's pretty awesome.
The Lord may have announed that people will be liars and masses will be deceived does NOT automatically mean that every main stream view is a lie.

good subject for a thread somewhere. casual dress. informal discussion. point by point with tangents and other points allowed, tolerated and welcome like little children running in and out.

pick 12 main stream views if you know that many, and let's discuss them in the light of Scripture/what Scripture says, one at a time probably to keep it simple.
but try to pick 12 main stream views to start with; will get around to every one of them eventually, Yhvh willing.

at least, if everyone's willing to accept Scripture as the final authority, when there's no ambiguity (if there's ambiguity, there won't be a final say so most likely -- there has to be a final standard or the whole process of learning , studying, finding out the truth would or could be arbitrary, i think.

if you like, when i get back home later after a job, i'll try to come up with a few main stream views too.

we can try the lounge forum to start with, if that's okay with you.

 

[TOG]

One problem with blaming increasing autism rates on vaccines is that the vaccination rate of children has remained steady since the 80's, at about 95%, but the prevalence of autism has been increasing since then. If you want to look for a cause of increasing autism, then you have to find something that has been increasing, not something that has remained constant.

The TOG​

 

[TOG]

Reportedly, in 1902 the drug manufacturers had a meeting, as was published on the internet about 45 years ago

Something about that doesn't sound quite right... Hmmm...

*TOG gets out his Galculator"

Yep... That's what I thought. 45 years ago was 1969. From what I've been able to find out, the word "Internet" was first used in 1974, and it wasn't until 1982, that the Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP) was standardized and the concept of a world-wide network of fully interconnected TCP/IP networks called the Internet was introduced. (Source)

So, this was published on the Internet 13 years before the Internet as we know it existed, and 5 years before the word "Internet" was even first used. But I suppose the big pharmaceutical companies have just fooled me into thinking that things like that actually matter and that articles that are published in non-existent (at the time) places and cannot be found in places that actually exist today, are just as reliable as other sources.

The TOG​

 

[follower]

on the internet about 45 years ago
however long ago 1978 was. at the university of missouri - rolla we had internet/web access long before the public did.......

i were a math major !

 

[Mike]

Wow. So much unsubstantiated information. The "evil empire" that is the medical community is endlessly doubted and mistrusted to the point that any outside source that claims conspiracy is given all confidence beyond any doubt. I don't believe I'm a shill for the AMA, because history has shown they make errors in judgement. Once a body of data is available from real world use to scrutinize the impact of any medication or vaccine, they have been forced to admit the danger and pull them from the market. But I don't think they are bent on harming lives. I do believe there are people within some companies who are willing to turn their heads if they come across evidence that can impact their bottom line, but to claim that this is the mission of the industry seems a bit of a stretch.

Most people who treat autism seem to agree that the rates haven't changed. Diagnosis of it has. Before autism was differentiated from other conditions, they were classified as mentally ill. Now we know more, so autism is more often the diagnosis.

 

[follower]

you assume it's unsubstantiated. if you look into it, you will find more than you can comprehend. it's not a conspiracy. it's simply business for profit - the american way - business as usual. but basically 2 things may be needed if you ever want to find the truth. you have to love the truth, and Yhvh has to allow it/ grant it from heaven - as John the Immerser said - (actually I think Yeshua said it also, several times, but don't remember when and where right now) - no man can receive anything unless it is granted him from heaven.

remember the world is still satan's domain, until after the tribulation (regardless of when anything else happens) ... until Yeshua returns, the nations get farther and farther and farther away from Him and from 'right-ruling'. (see what's happened in just the last 54 years since prayer was taken out of schools !? ) .

it is devastating and embarassing to learn the truth about the sinfulness of ourselves and society.
but it is necessary to recognize and repent of if anyone is to be set free from their sin and from the power of society and of the devil. Yeshua came to destroy the works of satan, and He is still doing this every day, but only for those who call on Him totally relying on Him (i.e. by faith - a true gift and a free gift from Yhvh)
and willing to do what He says.

how many thousands of doctors // even if 90% of the doctors admitted it - would you believe the truth then ?

the pharmacy reps, the pharmacists, the doctors, and pastors in tulsa all agreed when asked directly - if the people were told the truth it would ruin the economy !!!! they all (the afore-mentioned) all admitted it was okay to do to get more money, and that it is not only standard business practice (like used car dealers are know to do, without argument) but is NECESSARY for the economy.

keep seeking, and ask the Creator if He is willing to forgive those who really don't know what they are doing.

 

[follower]

the national health federation , composed of over 100,000 doctors (licensed ama doctors in the usa),
have been trying since 1960 to get the government to allow the practice of honest medicine. they have been overwhelmed over and over and over again by the trillion dollar a year budget of the opposition who don't want honest truthful medicine to be practiced - they prefer and demand profit.

but, find an honest doctor, and look at the truthful results of honest 'medicine' in line with Yhvh's Word and Plan, and you'll never trust the us government nor the profit-mongers again. (we are never never never told to trust the government , but instead to TEST EVERYTHING. so TEST.) (and start looking for one of the honest doctors in the states - they are quiet, because they have to be, but they are still around.)

 

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