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What do you guys think about infants getting Christened or baptized? I am personally against it because I really think that it should be one's own personal choice and the next step in your relationship with Christ. I myself am getting baptized soon and I'm thinking of it as a marriage to God.
 
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What do you guys think about infants getting Christened or baptized?
It's similar to male Jews getting circumcised on the 8th day after they are born. The don't decide to be Jews any more than a baptized infant decides to be Christian.
"Believer's Baptism" is a modern, Protestant concept.
The Church has practiced infant baptism from at least the 2nd century.
I myself am getting baptized soon and I'm thinking of it as a marriage to God.
That's not what scripture says about baptism.

Rom 6:3-7
... (1) all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
(2) Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that (3) as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. (4) For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly (5) we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that (6) our old self was crucified with Him, in order that (7) our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for (9) he who has died is freed from sin.

SO, In baptism:
(1) We are joined to Jesus in His death.
(2) We were buried with Jesus through the cat of baptism.
(3) We were raised to new life just like Christ was raised to new life.
(4) We were united with Christ in his death.
(5) We are like Him in His resurrection.
(6) Our old self was crucified with Christ.
(7) Our body of sin was done away with.
(8) We are no longer slaves to sin.
(9) We died and were freed from sin.

So, in Baptism, were die. are buried, and are born again to new life in Christ.
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Tit 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing (baptism) of regeneration (being born again) and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Act 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In Baptism you die and are buried with Christ (in the water) then you rise from the dead (re-birth) to new life in Christ and receive the Holy Spirit. You are born again of water and of Spirit.

That's what the Church has taught for the past 2000 years.

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Oh really? Then why is there all of this talk of becoming the bride of Christ? Or is that just the way of a nun since they have completely devoted their lives to God and have chosen the vow of chasity?
 
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why is there all of this talk of becoming the bride of Christ?
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready. (How?)

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (Acts or deeds of righteousness) of saints.

A pamphlet “Preparation of the Bride” is available at the URL link below.
http://www.gracegod.com/pamphlet_and_articles/pamphlets/Preparation of the Bride.pdf
NOTE: The Pamphlets and Articles are in PDF format and can be read with the free Adobe Reader
 

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Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready. (How?)

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (Acts or deeds of righteousness) of saints.

A pamphlet “Preparation of the Bride” is available at the URL link below.
http://www.gracegod.com/pamphlet_and_articles/pamphlets/Preparation of the Bride.pdf
NOTE: The Pamphlets and Articles are in PDF format and can be read with the free Adobe Reader
Oh I see, so you're saying that we become the bride of Christ by our actions right? I'm sorry but you must remember that I am mentally handicapped and that's why I have a message Bible. Your pamphlets are just too difficult for me to understand.
 

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Apparently since you liked it, that must have meant that my theory was correct. Thanks for not taking any offense for me not reading your pamphlets they are just too long and difficult for me. Good night! :):hug
 
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Then why is there all of this talk of becoming the bride of Christ?
You're already there.
That's from
Eph 5:25-32
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.

For we are members of His body, of His flesh and bones. “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
 
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What do you guys think about infants getting Christened or baptized?
I love it! It seems like just the other day, that I was baptised as a beautiful bouncing baby! Oh what joy! You could see the smile on my face, as were the proud parents and somewhat bored teenage siblings looking on.
 

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What do you guys think about infants getting Christened or baptized? I am personally against it because I really think that it should be one's own personal choice and the next step in your relationship with Christ. I myself am getting baptized soon and I'm thinking of it as a marriage to God.
With infant baptism I'm honestly a bit on the fence. I'm not convinced one way or the other. I was baptized as an infant and do not believe it is necessary to redo it as an adult.

As far as marriage to Christ, I believe that speaks of a personal committed relationship with Him. To some degree I can see why you look at your baptism in a similar light but I'm not sure I can agree with it completely.
 

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With infant baptism I'm honestly a bit on the fence. I'm not convinced one way or the other. I was baptized as an infant and do not believe it is necessary to redo it as an adult.

As far as marriage to Christ, I believe that speaks of a personal committed relationship with Him. To some degree I can see why you look at your baptism in a similar light but I'm not sure I can agree with it completely.
It's just that when you're madly in love with a man, (or woman if you are a man) the next step that you want to take is to marry them. I just view baptism as my next step in my relationship with God by publicly stating that I believe in Him and that I wish to follow, love, honor, and worship Him for the rest of my life and into eternity.
 

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It's just that when you're madly in love with a man, (or woman if you are a man) the next step that you want to take is to marry them. I just view baptism as my next step in my relationship with God by publicly stating that I believe in Him and that I wish to follow, love, honor, and worship Him for the rest of my life and into eternity.
That's wonderful. I don't believe it requires baptism to make that commitment which is where we may differ a little.
 

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That's wonderful. I don't believe it requires baptism to make that commitment which is where we may differ a little.

That's a good point too. I don't either. I don't believe that baprism is required to go to Heaven, I was just simply using it as a metaphor.
 
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As far as marriage to Christ, I believe that speaks of a personal committed relationship with Him.
There are several passages which refer to believers being the "body of Christ." The most direct comment is probably Eph 5:30
where Paul said, "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." He then made reference to the ancient definition of marriage from Gen 2:24; For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” and then Paul said, (v.31) "This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

So, Paul painted a very explicit picture of the Church as the "bride (spouse) of Christ.

Of course a "personal committed relationship with Him" is necessary; Christ does not join with anyone who does not want to be joined with Him.

"For many are called but few are chosen."
 
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"For many are called but few are chosen."
offtopic but I heard a non-Christian say once that this verse turned them off Christianity. "the chosen few". They took it to mean that God is only interested in an elite group of people. The rest don't cut it.
 

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offtopic but I heard a non-Christian say once that this verse turned them off Christianity. "the chosen few". They took it to mean that God is only interested in an elite group of people. The rest don't cut it.

Believe it or not that's exactly what caused me to backslide. When I hear something like you better believe it this way and show up in church every Sunday or you're going to Hell, it makes me question whether or not I would really want to follow a God like that. Luckily I do because I made up my own mind about Him and like WIP said, focus on Jesus and don't listen to what other people say, because in the end, God is the only real judge.
 
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Believe it or not that's exactly what caused me to backslide.
See how important it is , when we speak to non-believers. What we say, how we say it and the verse we quote from the Bible. The verse may be misunderstood by the listener. Case in point: Gays put off by the words "Man lying with man is an abomination."
'Abomination" is such a strong word, but it needs to be pointed out that heterosexual adultery is also an abomination. (as are other sins?)
Sorry, I thought it was important to mention this, though offtopic.
 
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offtopic but I heard a non-Christian say once that this verse turned them off Christianity. "the chosen few". They took it to mean that God is only interested in an elite group of people. The rest don't cut it.
Often, people who do not want to repent and submit to God's will for them will find some excuse no to do so. You have described such an excuse. (Unfortunately, Calvinism teaches "limited atonement" [Christ didn't atone for everyone, just the "elect"] which is very close to what that which the person found objectionable.)

John tells us that God so loved "the world", not some "elite" group. But scripture (and, therefore Christianity, says otherwise.
Jhn 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

Salvation is for everybody.
Rom 10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.

Many are called. (The whole world, in fact.)
But, few are chosen. (Those who believe are chosen.)

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See how important it is , when we speak to non-believers. What we say, how we say it and the verse we quote from the Bible. The verse may be misunderstood by the listener. Case in point: Gays put off by the words "Man lying with man is an abomination."
'Abomination" is such a strong word, but it needs to be pointed out that heterosexual adultery is also an abomination. (as are other sins?)
Sorry, I thought it was important to mention this, though offtopic.

Well it is still wrong but I agree with you. Maybe you should start your own topic about it. It's like I said before, nobody should be scared towards or away from Christianity. Sure we all need Jesus one way or another, but whatever you believe, is it really necessary to scare people?
 
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The original Greek word for baptism means immersion, or submerge. The body has to go under water. It was translated vaguely intentionally to match a doctrine. Flick water at a forehead doesn't equate to the same thing.
 
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