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Peter did not say that it was through water that we receive the Holy Spirit in Acts10:47, 48 he was saying that others should not forbid a Gentile who wants to be immersed in water, but repentance must come first and at the same time of repenting we also receive the Holy Spirit according to Acts 2:38,39.

Mark 10:39; 16:15,16; Acts 2:38 It is Gods Spirit that was in Christ and which we are now baptized or have received as the disciples did on the day of Pentecost as when Jesus ascended into Heaven the Holy Spirit came down and fell on those who received Jesus and his word. The baptism that Jesus and Peter was talking about was a Spiritual rebirth through Gods word, not water, Luke 3:16, as Peter taught it was through repentance and accepting Jesus and his teachings is when we receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:36-38 we have to believe first and through confession we are given the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44-48 The Holy Spirit already fell on the disciples while they were listening to Peter. (No water involved)
The scriptures clearly show that water baptism is a requirement for Christians.
The scriptures don't care if you don't like that.
Jesus said to be baptized.
You do whatever you want.
 
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What do you guys think about infants getting Christened or baptized? I am personally against it because I really think that it should be one's own personal choice and the next step in your relationship with Christ. I myself am getting baptized soon and I'm thinking of it as a marriage to God.
I think the parents of infants that are sprinkled are following their religious tradition while thinking to protect their infant from the evils of this world.
It isn't scriptural but it is tradition for some sects.
Baptism is submersion. Just as Jesus showed us when he arrived at the Jordan and asked John the Baptizer to Baptize him. Jesus was God on earth and born without sin. However, as a man also he demonstrated to the Jews watching the new ritual for the cleansing of sins and the rebirth into the new life with God restored. And the Jews of the time were already familiar with the Mikveh. It was then easy to impart to them that step in being resurrected from the dead, dead in sin, and arising alive as a new creation.

That makes us one with Christ. It washes away the divide that sin caused between us and God. It isn't marriage. It is a family reunion. :)
 

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The scriptures clearly show that water baptism is a requirement for Christians.
The scriptures don't care if you don't like that.
Jesus said to be baptized.
You do whatever you want.
If the word water is not mentioned with baptism then that is adding to scripture and also reading between the lines of something that is plainly not there. Why didn't Jesus ever water baptize even his own disciples?
 

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Wow guys, this is really defeating the whole entire purpose of this thread. It was never supposed to be about baptism being essential or not. It was supposed to be about infant baptism. At this point I'm just hoping that one of the mods will close this thread and end it. It was never meant to be a debate.
 
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Wow guys, this is really defeating the whole entire purpose of this thread. It was never supposed to be about baptism being essential or not. It was supposed to be about infant baptism. At this point I'm just hoping that one of the mods will close this thread and end it. It was never meant to be a debate.
Why close it? You could lose out on important information. Let those who want to debate do so among themselves. Why not take what you can glean from others postings and maybe find your answers that way.
And besides, salvation doctrine is always going to generate a debate. Especially the topic of Baptism.
See if this link helps you with your question. Or maybe this link All those articles have scriptural support within.
The problem with infant Baptism is that the infant didn't decide to follow Christ.
 

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Why close it? You could lose out on important information. Let those who want to debate do so among themselves. Why not take what you can glean from others postings and maybe find your answers that way.
And besides, salvation doctrine is always going to generate a debate. Especially the topic of Baptism.
See if this link helps you with your question. Or maybe this link All those articles have scriptural support within.
The problem with infant Baptism is that the infant didn't decide to follow Christ.
That's true, thanks for the links. That really helped! :)
 

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Rituals do not cleanse us of sin nor does rituals baptize us into the Holy Spirit that immerses us. It is only by the word of God and His Spirit that we are Spiritually born again John 3:5-7. John's baptism came after one repented and not before.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
We receive the Holy Spirit at the time of the Spiritual rebirth of John 3:5-7. None of it comes by being dunked in dirty river water. Jesus was water baptized by John to fulfill the prophecy of Messiah come as a fulfillment of Gods righteousness as the Holy Spirit fell down on Him as a witness to man that Messiah had come.

John’s baptism was for the showing of one who repented of their sins first and then symbolized of actual water that they were made clean again. It was not for the receiving Jesus or the Holy Spirit as Jesus ministry hadn’t started yet and the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost in the upper room.
 

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Wow guys, this is really defeating the whole entire purpose of this thread. It was never supposed to be about baptism being essential or not. It was supposed to be about infant baptism. At this point I'm just hoping that one of the mods will close this thread and end it. It was never meant to be a debate.
Actually if you look at all of this in a sense it is about infant baptism as what has been displayed so far has nothing to do with with infant baptism as it is not scriptural. It has to come by ones decision to do so and an infant can not decide something like this. I have been baptized as an infant, but it never affected any decision to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It was only a ritual of the Church my Mother attended. In another Church I attended many many years later they would take an infant and dedicate the baby to the charge of the whole body of Christ that all would oversee it's Christian growth until the baby reached a level of understanding and maturity. I think that is really cool.
 
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We receive the Holy Spirit at the time of the Spiritual rebirth of John 3:5-7. None of it comes by being dunked in dirty river water.
Then you think Paul is wrong.
And all the earliest leaders of the Churches which the apostles founded were also wrong.
But you are right.
Pardon me if I am not convinced that you know more about what Paul wrote than Paul did.
 
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Rituals do not cleanse us of sin nor does rituals baptize us into the Holy Spirit that immerses us. It is only by the word of God and His Spirit that we are Spiritually born again John 3:5-7. John's baptism came after one repented and not before.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
We receive the Holy Spirit at the time of the Spiritual rebirth of John 3:5-7. None of it comes by being dunked in dirty river water. Jesus was water baptized by John to fulfill the prophecy of Messiah come as a fulfillment of Gods righteousness as the Holy Spirit fell down on Him as a witness to man that Messiah had come.

John’s baptism was for the showing of one who repented of their sins first and then symbolized of actual water that they were made clean again. It was not for the receiving Jesus or the Holy Spirit as Jesus ministry hadn’t started yet and the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost in the upper room.
I stand by what I said. Which did not include Baptism saves.
John 3 talks about Baptism. Jesus Baptized people. However, in that John 3 verse when Jesus speaks to Nicodemus he tells him, unless one is born of water and spirit they cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. He does not say, unless one is baptized....
We are saved by faith not by works. Our faith is arrived at due first to God's free gift of his grace that had Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of the world.

Baptism is a symbolic ritual, or rite, that recreates the burial of Christ and his resurrection . He died with the sins of the world upon himself on the cross. He was entombed for three days, and then arose in a new body and walked the earth for 40 days.
When we are baptized we aren't held under water for three days, we're immersed and then lifted up. A symbol that our old self that was dead in our sins was buried in the name of Jesus Christ and then arose renewed in him.
However, if someone is not baptized after they accept Christ it does not mean they are not saved.

That's also not what John 3 is communicating.
 
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Will you guys try and be a bit respectful to the forum you are posting in, to the OP
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