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Here is a simple story of being led by the Spirit.. Not some far out SUPER natural...a normal occurrence
Luk 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luk 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
Luk 2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
Luk 2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Peters vision Act 10 following the Spirit after the vision was normal every day stuff .. of travel, walking, then a conformation to Cornelius of his vision ... So we have a picture in the Word of a vision and then conformation.. IMO a vision from the Lord will have conformation.. if not it is just our imaginations ...

Here are a few more examples that show the lack of what we might call the supernatural

Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal_5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

I love those scriptures! I agree, Sister. You make a great point. I did find a warning in scripture, it's from

2 Timothy 3:5
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. ../

I'm sorry, but the Lord needs people to wake up to who they really are in Christ and already redeemed! He's not going to lead you into the occult. He promised all truth. Pray to Jesus and none other, and test those spirits...and you'll be ok. Yea though I walk through the valley...you know the rest. Please, please! Don't deny His power.
 
Where is this stated in Scripture?


Who do you mean by "everyone"? His blood covers who?

It's in
Romans 12
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.../

I mean everyone Believers who have made Jesus Lord of their life...

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 
It's in
Romans 12
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.../

I mean everyone Believers who have made Jesus Lord of their life...

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And what about the first part of my post: Where in Scripture does it state that "There is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all even unbelievers. Each man gets a measure."?
 
Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.../

What does being led of the Spirit mean? It this something a Christian should do? It's scripture, and seems to indicate that we should be led of the Spirit. That's the Holy Spirit, right? How do I do that?
controlled obedient that leads us in what we should do
 
I love those scriptures! I agree, Sister. You make a great point. I did find a warning in scripture, it's from

2 Timothy 3:5
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. ../

I'm sorry, but the Lord needs people to wake up to who they really are in Christ and already redeemed! He's not going to lead you into the occult. He promised all truth. Pray to Jesus and none other, and test those spirits...and you'll be ok. Yea though I walk through the valley...you know the rest. Please, please! Don't deny His power.
Never would i deny the Power of God .. nor will i ever chase the the powers of this world...
 
There is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all even unbelievers.
thats not Bible Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.{ Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.} the spirit is given to those saved
 
I love those scriptures! I agree, Sister. You make a great point. I did find a warning in scripture, it's from

2 Timothy 3:5
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. ../

I'm sorry, but the Lord needs people to wake up to who they really are in Christ and already redeemed! He's not going to lead you into the occult. He promised all truth. Pray to Jesus and none other, and test those spirits...and you'll be ok. Yea though I walk through the valley...you know the rest. Please, please! Don't deny His power.
this i agree with
 
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Being shown discernment at a very young age has kept me from following the whims of the world...

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
I wont chase those how have tall tales to tell that i can not find scripture backing for.. Seem many Christians have different ideas of what who and how the Holy Spirit works in our lives..
 
exactly so- Pentecost imho is not fully understood as unique, one off, incomparable, unrepeatable etc - here I would ask that Jn 14:16-17 be considered as to whether applying to us or the disciples and as to whether we here are the you or the world - twinc
 
And what about the first part of my post: Where in Scripture does it state that "There is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all even unbelievers. Each man gets a measure."?
Actually, he is partially right.

Do a study on the Holy Spirit and it will soon become clear to you that the Holy Spirit works in the lives of unbelievers to bring them to repentance.

Just like the wind, we do not know from where the wind comes, or where it goes...

God desires all men to be saved, and the Holy Spirit works in every life to that end.
 
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exactly so- Pentecost imho is not fully understood as unique, one off, incomparable, unrepeatable etc - here I would ask that Jn 14:16-17 be considered as to whether applying to us or the disciples and as to whether we here are the you or the world - twinc

That's a reasonable question. That is not just for those 12 apostles. That's for every single believer on earth who lives after His resurrection. It can't be only for the apostles. We are all the body of Christ. One body, one faith, one God. Remember that, Brother? If it were somehow only for the apostles...then wouldn''t that mean that God IS a respecter of persons? Scripture tells us differently brother. Acts 10:34 Romans 2:11
 
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Actually, he is partially right.

Do a study on the Holy Spirit and it will soon become clear to you that the Holy Spirit works in the lives of unbelievers to bring them to repentance.

Just like the wind, we do not know from where the wind comes, or where it goes...

God desires all men to be saved, and the Holy Spirit works in every life to that end.

Stove...! Thank you, Brother!! It's in scripture. No man can come to God unless called, right? That means the Holy Spirit. He calls everyone. Amen.
 
Actually, he is partially right.

Do a study on the Holy Spirit and it will soon become clear to you that the Holy Spirit works in the lives of unbelievers to bring them to repentance.

Just like the wind, we do not know from where the wind comes, or where it goes...

God desires all men to be saved, and the Holy Spirit works in every life to that end.
That isn't "partly right," that's a different idea altogether.
 
Stove...! Thank you, Brother!! It's in scripture. No man can come to God unless called, right? That means the Holy Spirit. He calls everyone. Amen.
No, that is a very different idea than what you stated. Where is your biblical support?
 
Stove...! Thank you, Brother!! It's in scripture. No man can come to God unless called, right? That means the Holy Spirit. He calls everyone. Amen.


not according to scriptures, especially Jn 14:16-17 - twinc
Actually, he is partially right.

Do a study on the Holy Spirit and it will soon become clear to you that the Holy Spirit works in the lives of unbelievers to bring them to repentance.

Just like the wind, we do not know from where the wind comes, or where it goes...

God desires all men to be saved, and the Holy Spirit works in every life to that end.


are you sure you looked at and considered Jn 14:16-17 - twinc
 
Here is a supporting scripture to that, we are able to cross the veil and operate within the natural and the Kingdom realms at the same time.

2 Corinthians 3:15-18
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.../

I've turned to the Lord. He's slooowly peeling back the veil for me. (I'm a slow learner so it's taken awhile, lol) After I was in that accident in my truck back in 09 and reached out to the Lord, and He saved me...I had four months on my back to reflect on just what happened out there, that He did respond and save me, so I began to become serious about walking with Him and learning about Him. One of the first things He taught me was that reading His Word and Praying are the two most important functions of a believer.

Remember when I first signed up on this site? There was that member, uh..Aardvark. I would post read your bible and pray to people, and he would flip his lid and get all mad, saying I'm stupid and no one needs this juvenile sunday school mentality of read the bible, blah blah blah.
(He was trying to get people not to read because he knew it was true), so attacked me whenever he could. I knew it was true then and I still know it...So I have been. And only praying to our Lord. Reading HIS word. While I'm not perfect and have ups and downs, I'm staying on track with this...fast forward to now and this is where I am at now. You Brothers and Sisters are trying to tell me, that God's word is a liar? That I'm not being led into the truth? He promised to lead me into all truth. I don't read anything else hardly. No new age weirdo stuff. Do you understand how many times I pray to not be deceived or to deceive myself? A lot.

So this is where He's taken me. And I'm standing here being accused or suspected of occult-new age-worldly whatever...but these ideas came from scripture. So how do you explain that I'm so wrong, yet my source is only His Word? So He lied to me now? That's what it would have to be. I know that's not true. The veil is torn and we have been granted access back into Eden. Back into fellowship with the Lord. The only veil which remains is the vail of unbelief upon our hearts.

This isn't about power to be able to do miracles or to be able to cross the veil into the third heaven and approach the throne. Those are gifts, grace. The Kingdom is about who we are. WHo we are in Him, who we were created to be. If you do not know who you are in Christ then you need some studying. Don't you understand that it is finished, that He already won?! Restoration has been made. Believe it, God needs you to believe who you are in Him so that you can function as a proper Christian and be useful to Him!

Don't give more credit to the enemy than our Lord. You do not have to be scared of it, (we have authority over spirits!) Use it. He has not given you the spirit of fear.

2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
 
not according to scriptures, especially Jn 14:16-17 - twinc



are you sure you looked at and considered Jn 14:16-17 - twinc

Yes I did. I see what you're getting at. Perhaps some have been given over to a reprobate mind or something and he speaks of them there? I know one thing. Those Words are for us. Every single one of them. They wouldn't be there if they weren't. You can your name and insert it anywhere in scripture where there is another name or reference to a whomsoever and wotnot...and I guarantee you that it will speak to you upon your life applications and accurately. That wasn't just for the disciples.
 
No, that is a very different idea than what you stated. Where is your biblical support?

You don't read much, do you? lol :poke

It's in Psalm 139. V's 1-10 should do it for you. Unbelievers are His creation too, ya' know. The Holy Spirit is omnipresent. I thought that was a given and that everybody knew that..These might be David's prayers, but you can position these words as unto yourself and they will be 100% true. Read and see.

Psalm 139:1-10
139 O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me.

2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.

3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O Lord, thou knowest it altogether.

5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.../

Technically an unbeliever can not receive the Holy Spirit or be indwelt as they say for he is in the flesh and knows not the Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is right there with them, watching, hoping for an invitation to come in. But God has rigged it through His Gospel message so that the unbelievers will be repeatedly confronted throughout their life with the truth that God is real and created man. So they have no excuse. No one will have any excuse. That's what I meant, not indwelt. But He's sure right there. No one has ever been alone post pentecost.
 
Here is a supporting scripture to that, we are able to cross the veil and operate within the natural and the Kingdom realms at the same time.

2 Corinthians 3:15-18
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.../

I've turned to the Lord. He's slooowly peeling back the veil for me. (I'm a slow learner so it's taken awhile, lol) After I was in that accident in my truck back in 09 and reached out to the Lord, and He saved me...I had four months on my back to reflect on just what happened out there, that He did respond and save me, so I began to become serious about walking with Him and learning about Him. One of the first things He taught me was that reading His Word and Praying are the two most important functions of a believer.
What do you mean by "we are able to cross the veil and operate within the natural and the Kingdom realms at the same time"?

2Co 3:12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold,
2Co 3:13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end.
2Co 3:14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
2Co 3:15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts.
2Co 3:16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. (ESV)

This is speaking of the veil of unbelief that is still on the hearts and minds of the Jews and which is removed upon faith in Christ.
Paul is referring to Exodus 34:29-35:

Exo 34:29 When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking with God.
Exo 34:30 Aaron and all the people of Israel saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
Exo 34:31 But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the leaders of the congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them.
Exo 34:32 Afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he commanded them all that the LORD had spoken with him in Mount Sinai.
Exo 34:33 And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
Exo 34:34 Whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he would remove the veil, until he came out. And when he came out and told the people of Israel what he was commanded,
Exo 34:35 the people of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face was shining. And Moses would put the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him. (ESV)

You Brothers and Sisters are trying to tell me, that God's word is a liar? That I'm not being led into the truth? He promised to lead me into all truth. I don't read anything else hardly. No new age weirdo stuff. Do you understand how many times I pray to not be deceived or to deceive myself? A lot.

So this is where He's taken me. And I'm standing here being accused or suspected of occult-new age-worldly whatever...but these ideas came from scripture. So how do you explain that I'm so wrong, yet my source is only His Word? So He lied to me now? That's what it would have to be. I know that's not true.
No one is saying that God's word is lying. I am saying that while it is true that in a general sense the Holy Spirit leads and guides us, John 16:13 was for Jesus' disciples, those who were going to be charged with starting and leading his Church. There is no promise to us that as long as we read the Bible and pray that we will come to--that the Holy Spirit will lead us to--a correct understanding of what the Bible says. Of course we should always pray for God's help in understanding the Bible but there isn't even one verse in the NT that says to pray for understanding of the Scriptures, so why people think that doing so guarantees they will have the correct interpretation and understanding, I do not know. We are told and shown to study and to learn from those whom God has gifted and appointed as teachers.

Act 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.
Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. (ESV)

1Co 3:1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, (ESV)

1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
1Co 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? (ESV)

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. (ESV)

1Ti 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things. (ESV)

2Ti 2:2 and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
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2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. (ESV)

Heb 5:11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, (ESV)

Jas 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. (ESV)

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. (ESV)

So while we need to study on our own and pray for understanding, we are never to do it all alone. We are always to do it within the context of the broader community of believers, taking into account what conclusions others have come to. This is all the more important today when we are far removed from the historical and social contexts and when relatively few understand the Greek like the original audience did. Even then, there are difficulties in translation.

The biblical way of things, the way God has ordained our growth, is through the teaching of those who are called and gifted to be teachers. Does this mean we just take everything they say as truth? Of course not. They are still just men and we need to study the Scriptures ourselves. But we must realize that our minds are still subject to biases of all sorts, to fleshly desires, to deception, and worldly thinking. While we think we may have the right interpretation, that the Bible is saying a certain thing, it could still very well be something of our own making and not what the Bible is actually saying.

This isn't about power to be able to do miracles or to be able to cross the veil into the third heaven and approach the throne. Those are gifts, grace.
What do you mean by "able to cross the veil into the third heaven and approach the throne"?

Don't give more credit to the enemy than our Lord. You do not have to be scared of it, (we have authority over spirits!) Use it. He has not given you the spirit of fear.
Who is giving "more credit to the enemy than our Lord"? What do you mean by that? Who is scared and what are they scared of?
 
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