Being Led Of The Spirit

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  1. StoveBolts

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    With your knowledge, it would be better for you to build up the body of Christ than tear down.
    Instance after instance Paul takes truth that others already know, and he expands upon it. And what about Appolos? Do you think he was challenged, or was his truth redirected and expanded?

    I would encourage you to start by doing a word search on the Holy Spirit, John 16:7-9 would be a good start
     
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    Asking for biblical support is not tearing down. How can one be built up or grow if they believe the Bible says things that it does not?

    2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
    2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (ESV)

    Notice that in order for "the man of God [to] be complete, equipped for every good work," he must be taught, corrected, and reproved.

    2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
    2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
    2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (ESV)

    Do you agree with what Paul says here in verse 2? Are we to "reprove, rebuke, and exhort," or are we to just let believers believe whatever they want about Scripture?

    It is worldly post-modern thinking that says you have your truth and I have mine, leave me alone. Whereas the Bible clearly goes against such thinking.

    I don't understand what your point is here. How does this relate to the discussion?
     
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    Hello Edward, the simple answer to both questions is yes. And it just slays me when people tell me, "And don't give me that Holy Spirit crap." They just, short of repentance, blas-phemed the Holy Spirit. There are a number of important issues here, but the most important issue here, I feel, is how do you know you are indwelt and second to that is, how does a body deal with Him? Through the Holy we are called to become Saints (Rom 1:7; 1 Cor 1:2); we are called to “eternal life” (1 Tim 6:12); we are called “out of darkness into the light” (1 Pet 2:9); and by the spirit you were called to virtue and to glory. (2 Pet 1:3)

    He does all of this before you are saved and after salvation He is, short of our quenching Him, leader because He is the third person of the God Head. We know of His presence by the changes in our way of doing everything. With the indwelling of the Spirit we have two sets of eyes and, personally, I try never to use the natural eyes to view anything. I knew the Spirit had changed me, the instant He did it because I was singing and one of the regulars danced his wife past me, flipping me off and I laughed at him instead of coming off stage to mop up the parking lot with him

    That night the Old testament was unlocked for me and it was no longer gibberish, with the Spirit to guide me, it made perfect sense. The next morning the trees were more beautiful than ever before. Even the animals were pleasing to my sight. Having been a functioning, for the most part, drunk for 28 years I poured every ounce of it from every botte down the drain, I did not need alcohol to chase the demons out of my head. For the first time in forty-five years, save twenty-five days I was at peace.

    So I have shown that He speaks through the Word of God but know this, what He gives you at any point in your life is what you need or what you will soon need. Read the Bible with prayer and meditation seven times through and some passage(s) will have new meaning to them, thst is the Spirit at work in you and the new application He taught you will never disagree with anything He has already taught you, they will go, hand in glove.

    That is a tiny bit of the Holy Spirit. This string could go on for years and never cover all of who He is and how do we deal with Him. PRAIASE God on high, give the glory to Him!
     
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    Just as you see spiritual flaws in Edward, and you feel the Spirit guiding you to correct him so that he may be taught, I also am being guided by the Spirit so that you too might be taught. In essence, what you have written to me in regard to being taught also applies to yourself.

    Edward has a good heart, and he is following the Spirit, but honestly, none of us have it all right.

    So how do we build each other up? We don't do it by always challenging each other. And we believe each other and we listen to each other. We are all on a different section of the path, and when Edward says he's been praying for scriptural truth, and then states he is not reading anything except the Bible, you accept where he is at. But you wrote paragraphs that not only invalidated his efforts, but insulted his intelligence. That's not cool, and it's not how Jesus would have handled it.

    Edward said everyone had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and to that he is partially right. However, you took the opportunity to invalidate him, and steal the partial truth that he held.

    When Appolos was preaching, he preached a partial truth, for he did not know the whole truth. When Paul came to Mars Hill, he did not invalidate the unknown God, rather he gave it a name. He did not insult them.

    Perhaps you did not know the role the Spirit plays in an unbelievers heart, but now this has been brought to your attention, as has the example of Paul and Appolos.

    Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. Have patience and kindness toward others, just as the Lord continues to show you patience and kindness.

    Grace and peace brother.
     
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    Well said, Brother. I have to believe that the Lord is leading me into the truth, for this is where I am. Otherwise He would be a liar and that's not possible. I don't have all the answers but I refuse to stand still and stagnate. So I trust the Lord
     
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    Exactly. Or perhaps you do not believe that even now we are seated with Him in Heavenly places? Jesus said He does nothing but what He sees the Father do...(Seeing does not always have to be visual. The Lord has let me see some things, but not visually with mine eyes (yet lol)
    But blessed are those who not see yet believe.

    Are you trying to say that this doesn't apply to us?

    Because He promised to lead us into all truth. Now you know.
    I do that. I listen to quite a few Pastors and teachers messages on YT. The Lord pings my spirit when I'm watching the truth. More and more these teachers are bringing these issues up. so they come up for consideration.

    Hebrews 4:16
    16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.../

    Ephesians 3:
    3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

    2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

    4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

    5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

    6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

    7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

    8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

    9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

    11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.../

    2 Corinthians 12:2-4
    2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

    4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.../

    Crossing the veil; caught up into the third Heaven, not on earth anymore, lol.
     
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    Oh, that's an afterthought of one other time I was speaking of these issues and certain ones tried to warn me off from the danger, told me might slip into the occult or something of that sort. Which is impossible. No one can "snatch you" from His hand, if all you're doing is seeking HIM.
     
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    Of course it applies to me. It isn't a matter of feeling the Spirit guiding me to correct him; it is what Christians are supposed to do.

    I have never said otherwise about any of those points.

    Is letting error pass for truth the right way to go about things? Is that building someone up? And when I ask questions, I am not always challenging. I am often seeking clarification.

    Nothing I wrote invalidates his efforts or insulted his intelligence.

    You claim that is a partial truth but it is not, unless you can provide biblical support for such an assertion. Edward has already admitted that is not what he meant.

    No one is insulting anyone.

    That the Holy Spirit works, at times, in unbelievers' hearts is very different from saying that "There is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all even unbelievers. Each man gets a measure."
     
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    Nah, He's right Free. That's how you come across whether you realize it or not.
     
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    I am not sure what you're saying "Exactly" to. I was asking you what you meant by that statement.

    Yes. Paul clearly says, in referring back to Exodus 34:29-35, that "...when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed" (2 Cor. 3:16, ESV).

    I cannot think of a verse where it is promised to us that he will lead us into all truth. He certainly won't lead us astray but as humans we tend to do that ourselves or let it be done to us. And it is worth saying that the Holy Spirit guiding us to truth comes in different forms. This is where many people get caught thinking that it is only through prayer that the Holy Spirit will show us what a certain passage of Scripture means.

    Do you use other study helps such as lexicons, concordances, and, in particular, commentaries and the works of scholars and theologians?

    This is a different veil than what Paul was referring to 2 Cor. 3. But the reason I asked is because you said: "This isn't about power to be able to do miracles or to be able to cross the veil into the third heaven and approach the throne. Those are gifts, grace."

    You seem to be implying that we can have the power to "cross the veil into the third heaven and approach the throne." But that is not what Paul is saying nor is that taught anywhere. For all we know, this was a one-time occurrence for reasons only God knows.
     
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    Then people must be reading into why and how I am saying things. I cannot do anything about that.
     
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    I have always loved these verses that you posted Reba....
    In fact just reading them right now, I was overjoyed with with tears. Simeon knew immediately Who he held in his arms was the Redeemer. He was overjoyed with tears as well. Thank you for your wise post.
     
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    When you are led by the Spirit, you are faithful in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 1:1)
     
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    that is according to you and not according to me - are you going to claim inspiration and deny it to me - all these way out , weird and wacky claimed inspirations by the H/S have produced the bad fruits of widespread division and confusion - Jesus did not say whatsoever by whomsoever shall be bound or loosened - twinc
     
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    First Brother, I have no issue with your acedemia. I am not speaking against it.
    What I am speaking on, is a softening of your heart so that you may learn to speak the truth in love. We can use 1 cor 13 to define what love looks like.

    I don't think you understand how Paul operated. To the Jews, he became like the Jews, and to the Gentiles, like a gentile. Why? So he could speak the truth in love, and to do that means you take into consideration where the other is.

    Love the Lord with all your heart, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. All the commandments and prophets hang on these two commands, because these two commands drive everything. In other words, every command can be filtered through these two commands.

    What is it to love your neighbor as yourself? It does not mean we treat them the way we would treat ourselves. It means we treat them the way they see themselves. This means that sometimes we treat them better than we might treat ourselves. I AM, which is to say I will be who you need me to be. And this includes discipline, but we are told to leave that to our Father.

    this is why I used the example of the unknown god at Mars hill. The Greeks wanted to honor all of the Gods. Now then, Paul didn't say that it was a false God, nor did he say all the other gods were false gods. Heck, even Jesus affirmed Zeuses brother Hades. What we see Paul doing, was taking an opportunity to take a partial truth, and use it to teach the truth in love.

    The fact is, even though Edward was on the wrong track, he held a truth, and like Paul, you could have shared the truth in love. But instead, you became academic, and challenging and by doing so, lost your salt. This is how arguments and quarrels come about, and I know you know much scripture that states why quarals and arguments start.

    May this find you well brother,
    In Christ,
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    What do you mean by this?

    Where does he do this?

    What truth did he have? How was I not loving? What do you mean by "challenging"?
     
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    Closed take this to PM
     
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