"Belief" vs. "Knowledge"

Discussion in 'Apologetics' started by Runner, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Runner

    Runner Member

    Apr 24, 2015
    Yes, the "internal knowing" that you are talking about is a much deeper level of "knowing" that can ever be gained from the teachings of someone else, regardless of that individual's supposed authority. Because we as Christians believe we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and have a relationship with the Father and the living Christ through prayer, this can approach the level of "knowing" that we are talking about when we say "I know my spouse." I still think (per my original post) that what we are talking about is more of a "strong conviction" than an actual knowing, but certainly what you are talking about is as close to actual knowing as we can get.
  2. Justicewolf

    Justicewolf Member

    Nov 19, 2017
    How does the bible define belief, or faith?
    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
    Faith, belief, is alive on our inside. Knowledge is reiteration of cause for that faith as we realize our surroundings, our world, this reality, is due to a source. A creator, a power unseen, unfathomable to our limited understanding as humans.

    The Greek root for belief is Pisteuo,
    Strong's Concordance
    pisteuó: to believe, entrust
    Original Word: πιστεύω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: pisteuó
    Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
    Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
    Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

    Charles Spurgeon's writings addressed this in, All of Grace.

    Below is a part of that sermon.

    What is faith? It is made up of three things—knowledge, belief, and trust.

    Knowledge comes first. "How shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? I want to be informed of a fact before I can possibly believe it..."

    The mind goes on to believe that these things are true. The soul believes that God is, and that He hears the cries of sincere hearts; that the gospel is from God; that justification by faith is the grand truth which God hath revealed in these last days by His Spirit more clearly than before. Then the heart believes that Jesus is verily and in truth our God and Saviour, the Redeemer of men, the Prophet, Priest, and King of His people. All this is accepted as sure truth, not to be called in question...

    So far you have made an advance toward faith; only one more ingredient is needed to complete it, which is trust. Commit yourself to the merciful God; rest your hope on the gracious gospel; trust your soul on the dying and living Saviour; wash away your sins in the atoning blood; accept His perfect righteousness, and all is well. Trust is the lifeblood of faith; there is no saving faith without it.

    His summary:
    Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be, and that He will do what He has promised to do, and then to expect this of Him.
  3. Hawkins

    Hawkins Member

    Aug 19, 2005
    Hong Kong
    Faith is to believe without evidence. Knowledge is the confirmed or supported believes. Knowledge is thus ready to be conveyed as a human consensus.

    We all know that black hole exists, however to 99% humans this is actually a belief with no evidence presented to them. We treat it as a fact simply because it is conveyed as a human consensus based on the credibility and reliability of our scientists. Our scientists are acting as a middle man or eye-witness between the truth and humans in majority.

    We take knowledge mostly by faith. It is a process of conveying and believing. You thus need to preach and take the gospel with faith, because God (not man) knows that these are the two factors for a truth to convey among humans.

    During your school age, you have lab classes for chemistry or physics, which allow you take knowledge by evidence. In other times you gain knowledge by believing in what is said in text books.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2017
  4. kiwidan

    kiwidan Member

    Feb 17, 2013
    Blessed are those who have not seen and believed. Thats faith.
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2017
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  5. HeIsRisen2018

    HeIsRisen2018 Member

    Dec 29, 2017
    Finally, somebody who understands me.

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