Khristeeanos said:
Lewis W,
The newer translations don't leave anything out. They differ in the manuscripts they use to translate from the original.
They use the older (and more accurate) manuscripts.
I am aware of verses like Acts 8:37 and 1 John 5:7 and so on and so forth. It is much more likely that those verses were added in after the fact.
The fact of the Trinity doesn't stand on 1 John 5:7 alone. There are dozens and dozens of clear Scriptures in the NIV that state that Jesus is God.
They don't leave out anything? The mss used to translate the modern versions are from the corrupt line from Alexandria, Egypt...the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus primarily and these were the mss used by the unbelievers, Westcott and Hort who brought about the RSV of 1881 and ultimately, the versions on the market today. These mss didn't even agree with themselves, disagreeing over 3000 times in the Gospels alone. Would you trust a mss that came from the Vatican library (Vaticanus) or found in a trashcan at a monastery (Sinaiticus)?
The modern versions leave out quite a bit. Just a few examples...bold words not found in the NIV...
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners
to repentance.
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption
through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Revelation 1:11 Saying,
I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
The truth is that there are far more than 23 times in the New Testament where the names of Deity are omitted by modern versions and their Greek texts. The Nestle Greek text has 230 such omissions while the United Bible Society's Greek text has 212.
Acts 8:37 is an extremely crucial verse in regards to salvation of the Eunuch in Acts 8:36-38. Without Acts 8:37, the Eunuch is getting saved by baptism alone without first believing in Jesus Christ and contradicts every verse in the bible regarding salvation in Jesus Christ.
What happened to the last 12 verses in Mark 9-20? There is not another mss, unical or cursive, that leaves this out except Aleph and B (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus). There are over 600 cursive mss that contain all these verses. That's 600-2 that they should be in there. Not very good odds for the "oldest and best" mss.
Does anyone not question just what these "oldest and Best" mss are and where they came from? Do we not question who the translators were that sit on the revision committee of the RSV, NRSV, NASB, NIV, etc? Were they even believers? Did they have heritical ideas about Genesis or Revelation or the Gospels. Westcott and Hort were unbelievers who denied Jesus was God and said he was just a created being, like the JW. They were into occultic practices and believed the worship of Jesus and Mary "had much in common". these are the guys that brought you the Greek text of 1881 that modern versions have been translated from. Open your eyes!! Will you sit at the feet of Clement, Origen, Westcott and Hort that they may dish out to you their heretical teachings? If you rely on modern versions to teach you, you're doing just that!
Just one example of this demolition team of W-H...
Both rejected the atonement of the substitution of Christ for the sinner, or vidarious atonement; both denied that the death of Christ counted for anything as an atoning factor. They emphasized atonement through the Incarnation. This is the Catholic doctrine. It helps defend the Mass.
Hort writes to Westcott, October 15, 1860:
"Today's post brought also your letter … I entirely agree - correcting one word - with what you there say on the Atonement, having for many years believed that 'the absolute union of the Christian (or rather, of man) with Christ Himself' is the spiritual truth of which the popular doctrine of substitution is an immoral and material counterfeit … Certainly nothing could be more unscriptural than the modern limiting of Christ's bearing our sins and sufferings to his death; but indeed that is only one aspect of an almost universal heresy."
Westcott writes from France to his fiancee, 1847:
"After leaving the monastery, we shaped our course to a little oratory which we discovered on the summit of a neighbouring hill … Fortunately we found the door open. It is very small, with one kneelingplace; and behind a screen was a 'Pieta' the size of life (i.e. a Virgin and dead Christ)…Had I been alone I could have knelt there for hours."
These are your textual critics who more than anyone (besides Origen) corrupted the Greek text with their own and laid the foundation for Jesuit infiltration into the colleges and seminaries to poison the minds of future professors, casting doubt on the true word of God only found within the Textus Receptus and Masoretic text from which the Authorized Text was founded. God didn't preserve his Word in two different schools of thought but, he did promise to preserve them.
Take out the old "sword of the Spirit" that makes College professors nervous when it is brought into a classroom, that disturbed Westcott and Hort so badly they devoted a lifetime to getting rid of it; get that old battered Book that was corrupted by Origen, hated by Eusebius, despised by Constantine, ignored by Augustine, that was ridiculed by the ASV and RSV committees; that razor-sharp blade which pierced Mel Trotter, Adoniram Judson, Dwight L. Moody, and B.H. Carroll to the soul and made Christians out of them, which pierced Charles Darwin, Huxley, Hobbes, Hume and Bernard Shaw to the soul and infuriated them, that word which was preached to the heathen in every corner of the earth, that word which has been used by the Spirit of God for 19 centuries to make fools out of scientists, educators and philosophers, to overthrow Popes and Kingdoms, to inspire men to die at the stake and in the arena; that infallible, everlasting BOOK which Angels desire to look into, and before which Devils tremble when they read their future; and if you don't know, by now, what Book this is I'm talking about, you never will.
: but some of your comments were still unwarranted.