Bible Study Blood Covenant

[JAG ..]

What is a blood covenant?

Post a good working definition of the word "covenant".

Post some of your comments/thoughts about the "blood covenant" as the phrase
appears in the verses below.

The Cross of Calvary is forever connected to the shed blood of the Lord Jesus.
There are some preachers who never mention the shed blood of the
Lord Jesus or the Cross. They do NOT make the Cross the central theme of their
sermons.

There is one "big name preacher" (Joel Osteen) that does not make the shed
blood or the Cross the central theme of his sermons. I have listened to many
of his sermons and I know that he does not make the "blood of the covenant"
a central theme of his ministry. Joel Osteen, as a general rule, talks about
everything but the shed blood of the Lord Jesus and the Cross of Calvary.

(Not saying Joel does not believe in the shed blood of Calvary or the Cross,
I'm only saying Joel Osteen does not make these major themes in his sermons.)

Thoughts?

__________________________________________________ _________

Zechariah 9:11
"As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the
waterless pit."

Matthew 26:28
"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Mark 14:24
""This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them."

I Cor. 11:25
"In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my
blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

Hebrews 10:29
"How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled
the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that
sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"

Hebrews 13:20
"Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back
from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything
good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ,
to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

Hebrews 9:18
"This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood."

Hebrews 9:20
"He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep"

Luke 22:20
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant
in my blood, which is poured out for you."

 

[dirtfarmer]

What is a blood covenant?

Post a good working definition of the word "covenant".

Post some of your comments/thoughts about the "blood covenant" as the phrase
appears in the verses below.

The Cross of Calvary is forever connected to the shed blood of the Lord Jesus.
There are some preachers who never mention the shed blood of the
Lord Jesus or the Cross. They do NOT make the Cross the central theme of their
sermons.

There is one "big name preacher" (Joel Osteen) that does not make the shed
blood or the Cross the central theme of his sermons. I have listened to many
of his sermons and I know that he does not make the "blood of the covenant"
a central theme of his ministry. Joel Osteen, as a general rule, talks about
everything but the shed blood of the Lord Jesus and the Cross of Calvary.

(Not saying Joel does not believe in the shed blood of Calvary or the Cross,
I'm only saying Joel Osteen does not make these major themes in his sermons.)

Thoughts?

__________________________________________________ _________

Zechariah 9:11
"As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the
waterless pit."

Matthew 26:28
"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Mark 14:24
""This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them."

I Cor. 11:25
"In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my
blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

Hebrews 10:29
"How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled
the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that
sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"

Hebrews 13:20
"Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back
from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything
good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ,
to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

Hebrews 9:18
"This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood."

Hebrews 9:20
"He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep"

Luke 22:20
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant
in my blood, which is poured out for you."

hello JAG, dirtfarmer here

Hebrews 9:22b, " Without the shedding of blood is no remission"

 

[for_his_glory]

In simple terms a blood covenant is a sacrificial promise that you are truly forgiven of your sins as there is no greater love than one who lays down His life for another that they have the promise of eternal life with the Father.

 

[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here

Does the "blood covenant" that Christ made for us forgive our sin or because of that covenant are we seen as if we have never sinned?

 

[Razeontherock]

Oh man, you're gonna get deep digging in that dirt, lol

What Sin? by Morgan Cryar, it's on YouTube

 

[dirtfarmer]

Oh man, you're gonna get deep digging in that dirt, lol

What Sin? by Morgan Cryar, it's on YouTube

hello Razeontherock, dirtfarmer here

I asked that question for the purpose of getting people to dig deep. If we were declared righteous by God at the point of salvation, then when we sin, are we to ask for forgiveness? It is my belief that fellowship is what is broken when we sin as a believer, but the relationship is secure. So, when we sin, we need for fellowship to be restored, how is this accomplished according to scripture?

 

[ezra]

hello JAG, dirtfarmer here

Hebrews 9:22b, " Without the shedding of blood is no remission"

amen you beat me to it the Blood was payment of our sins 2 cor 5:21

 

[ezra]

dirtfarmer here

Does the "blood covenant" that Christ made for us forgive our sin or because of that covenant are we seen as if we have never sinned?

yes we are the moment we get saved he Justifies us sanctifies us justification ==declared righteous just as we never sinned .he the sanctifies us sets us a part and a part of our holiness . after that we become WORK IN PROGRESS we are the clay he is the potter our growth is much like the potters wheel the potter fashioning into a vessel of honor .fashioned by the master loving hand.. he still working on

 

[ezra]

hello Razeontherock, dirtfarmer here

I asked that question for the purpose of getting people to dig deep. If we were declared righteous by God at the point of salvation, then when we sin, are we to ask for forgiveness? It is my belief that fellowship is what is broken when we sin as a believer, but the relationship is secure. So, when we sin, we need for fellowship to be restored, how is this accomplished according to scripture?

" then when we sin, are we to ask for forgiveness? " 1 john 1:9 the correct term we are to repent turn from Godly sorrow brings repentance. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+51&version=KJV

 

[for_his_glory]

dirtfarmer here

Does the "blood covenant" that Christ made for us forgive our sin or because of that covenant are we seen as if we have never sinned?

The blood covenant Christ made for us is God's grace that by faith we know we have one who intercedes for us before the Father as Christ sits at His right hand. Repentance with a humbled heart restores our fellowship with God as we are indwelled with His Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10; John 14:26, and become a Spiritually renewed creation in Him. Old things are past away and all things become new, 2 Corinthians 5:17-19.

 

[Razeontherock]

Amen! Those steps are to become a "well worn path;" everything we need God for, we approach Him that same Way. This includes intercession, praying for others as though it were for our own life and eternal soul ...

 

[dirtfarmer]

" then when we sin, are we to ask for forgiveness? " 1 john 1:9 the correct term we are to repent turn from Godly sorrow brings repentance. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+51&version=KJV

hello ezra, dirtfarmer here

I understand that 1 John 1:9 states that "confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins", but have not all our sins been forgiven the moment that we "became made righteous in Christ"? Also, was not john an apostle to the circumcision? If so, then are we to use John as a writer to the Church, as Paul was declared to be?

 

[dirtfarmer]

The blood covenant Christ made for us is God's grace that by faith we know we have one who intercedes for us before the Father as Christ sits at His right hand. Repentance with a humbled heart restores our fellowship with God as we are indwelled with His Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10; John 14:26, and become a Spiritually renewed creation in Him. Old things are past away and all things become new, 2 Corinthians 5:17-19.

hello for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

2 Corinthians 5:19 makes the statement, " not imputing their trespasses unto them"; does this state that the only thing that is against the unbeliever is unbelief at the point of physical death?

 

[for_his_glory]

hello for_his_glory, dirtfarmer here

2 Corinthians 5:19 makes the statement, " not imputing their trespasses unto them"; does this state that the only thing that is against the unbeliever is unbelief at the point of physical death?

At physical death if one is none of Christ because of unbelief then they die in their transgression and in final judgment their name is not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life and their punishment for their transgression is the lake of fire. Christ has paid the price for all to reconcile themselves back to God's grace as God will not hold ones past sins against them

 

[Edward]

Post a good working definition of the word "covenant".

A covenant is a contract. Think of it as a legal binding contract.

The terms of the contract are set forth in scripture. God expects us to read the fine print too!

 

[ezra]

hello ezra, dirtfarmer here

I understand that 1 John 1:9 states that "confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins", but have not all our sins been forgiven the moment that we "became made righteous in Christ"? Also, was not john an apostle to the circumcision? If so, then are we to use John as a writer to the Church, as Paul was declared to be?

we use all the Bible as a writer to the church.yes we as Christians us 1 john 1:9 its part of repentance past sins are under the blood future sins has to be brought under the blood. 1 john 1:7 we are told these things i write to you little children that you sin not. he then tells us about the advocate. i have yet to read where john taught circumcision

 

[Razeontherock]

I agree with Ezra, all of Scripture is for us the Church 2 Tim 3:16

We previously had a couple members that touted the idea that John was written to gnostics and therefore doesn't pertain to Christians. I think it's very important for everyone to understand the problems with trying to rip certain parts of the Bible out, but that probably deserves it's own thread.

John does address gnosticism. John was read in the early churches, which is the only reason his writings were even considered for becoming canon. That's the short version, and it's perfectly on topic because gnosticism would diminish the value of the blood covenant.

A covenant with God does have elements in common with our modern notion of a contract, but there are some differences too. I really want someone else to follow up with more specifics, but the basic idea is today our society has lost all sense of faithfulness. In a contract, if one party fails to perform their duty, the other party is off the hook. Not so with any of the Covenants God has "cut" with our species!

 

[dirtfarmer]

I agree with Ezra, all of Scripture is for us the Church 2 Tim 3:16

We previously had a couple members that touted the idea that John was written to gnostics and therefore doesn't pertain to Christians. I think it's very important for everyone to understand the problems with trying to rip certain parts of the Bible out, but that probably deserves it's own thread.

John does address gnosticism. John was read in the early churches, which is the only reason his writings were even considered for becoming canon. That's the short version, and it's perfectly on topic because gnosticism would diminish the value of the blood covenant.

A covenant with God does have elements in common with our modern notion of a contract, but there are some differences too. I really want someone else to follow up with more specifics, but the basic idea is today our society has lost all sense of faithfulness. In a contract, if one party fails to perform their duty, the other party is off the hook. Not so with any of the Covenants God has "cut" with our species!

hello Razeontherock, dirtfarmer here

While I agree that all scripture is for us, but not to establish doctrine on. It is my understanding that when 2 Timothy was written by Paul the new testament had yet to be penned and canonized. I also understand that in that same letter to Timothy, Paul stated that "we are to rightly divide the word of truth for the purpose of not being ashamed as a workman".

In scripture God's people are told to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy, does this apply to the church? I find in scripture that the crucified savior, Jesus, is our Sabbath. We are to cease from our work and trust in his works. We are to worship him everyday, not just one day a week.

I fear that the devil has snared many to trust in their own keeping rather that resting in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

 

[Razeontherock]

hello Razeontherock, dirtfarmer here

While I agree that all scripture is for us, but not to establish doctrine on. It is my understanding that when 2 Timothy was written by Paul the new testament had yet to be penned and canonized.

Agreed that what was considered "Scripture" at that time was what we today refer to as OT. I mean, I don't believe Paul said to himself "today I'm going to write some Scripture, I think I'll address it to Timothy." Nor do I believe those who wrote down the Gospel gave themselves such a grand position; they were serving a function for those who led Church services away from the leadership of the Apostles, who just wanted to be sure they weren't messing anything up. The reason why the Gospels WEREN'T written for some time is just as important as why they WERE eventually written down, and all of that should be tucked away in our hearts! It's quite important, as an aspect of the bedrock of our Faith.

I don't think it's doctrinally important which parts were written first, or last. I think God who inspired Scripture knows more than those doing the writing, including Paul. I don't think we can dismiss any of the Canon as doctrinally unsound. I think God preserves His Word, and brings it to us in a form that serves His purposes. Lots of modern scholarship and archeology confirms this, which is some of the best part about living in this age!

I also understand that in that same letter to Timothy, Paul stated that "we are to rightly divide the word of truth for the purpose of not being ashamed as a workman".

Yes! Rightly dividing the Word includes lots of goodies, like recognizing what type of literature a section is, keeping it in context so the text speaks for itself rather than being ripped out of context to become our proof text for our own ideas, and etc ...

Does this mean we are to rip whole sections out as not being helpful for doctrine, or not for the Church? History would take a strong stand against any such notion.

In scripture God's people are told to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy, does this apply to the church? I find in scripture that the crucified savior, Jesus, is our Sabbath. We are to cease from our work and trust in his works. We are to worship him everyday, not just one day a week.

So rightly dividing the Word of Truth includes recognizing how Jesus fulfills the OT; our own "road to Emmaus" experience, if you will. Luke 24:14 and especially v 27

He is Lord of the Sabbath, and He IS our Sabbath! The OT Sabbath is merely a type of Him ...

I fear that the devil has snared many to trust in their own keeping rather that resting in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

He would like to accomplish that. Our good Shepherd has something else in mind

I know which One is greater - I read the end of the book and we win! The sword that proceeds out of His mouth will slay His enemies, we'll just be there with Him. He is conqueror, we are more than conquerors!



It'd be too good to believe, except for this 'earnest of our inheritance' He gives us, telling us all about it ...

 

[ezra]

While I agree that all scripture is for us, but not to establish doctrine on

doctrine is teaching you have established your doctrine understanding of scripture by reading them .the same as everyone else.

I fear that the devil has snared many to trust in their own keeping rather that resting in the finished work of Christ on the cross

and i agree thus the BIG disagreement on osas osnas baptism of the holy spirit . you mention any of the three above listed to the wrong group . you have a fight a quote from d.l moody many have just enough religion to be miserable